Wii U Discussion

[BobbyColtrane]

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for all the concerns about the controllers breaking has anyone actually seen a controller break or do you just "think" it will break because it is light?

When controllers start breaking, I will worry. If none are breaking on the demo units, I'm not going to worry about it. You get a lot further in life if you don't waste your time worrying about what "might" happen...

[jmood88]

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for all the concerns about the controllers breaking has anyone actually seen a controller break or do you just "think" it will break because it is light?

When controllers start breaking, I will worry. If none are breaking on the demo units, I'm not going to worry about it. You get a lot further in life if you don't waste your time worrying about what "might" happen...

I don't see anyone who is overly concerned about the controllers breaking but it is worth mentioning when Nintendo has given no indication as to when people will be able to buy a controller by itself.

[23]

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While I haven't said anything abou the controller breaking there are 2 things

For 1 its a cheap tablet controller, and #2 whoever has it as Jmood said here has to protect the thing like a diamond because if it breaks, they have no indication they can buy another one at the moment so it can't be readily replaced

[WildFan22]

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for all the concerns about the controllers breaking has anyone actually seen a controller break or do you just "think" it will break because it is light?

When controllers start breaking, I will worry. If none are breaking on the demo units, I'm not going to worry about it. You get a lot further in life if you don't waste your time worrying about what "might" happen...

You must not have children.

[mgoblue]

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While I haven't said anything abou the controller breaking there are 2 things

For 1 its a cheap tablet controller, and #2 whoever has it as Jmood said here has to protect the thing like a diamond because if it breaks, they have no indication they can buy another one at the moment so it can't be readily replaced

Yeah, you have to call Nintendo and work with them, could take forever.

[BobbyColtrane]

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You must not have children.

Ha! No actually I do, 2 little boys. But they are pretty well behaved and not half as destructive as the little brats you see running around at Best Buy lol.

[CaptainZombie]

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I think that Cliffy B, Tim Shafer, and another dude (gearbox designer) all agreed in an interview that graphics have plateaued to a certain extent. Future consoles may see a bit of a jump in graphics but it won't be as big as it has been in the past. They said that designers are going to have to be more creative and A.I. will see some of the biggest improvements next gen.

I like graphics but I would like to see more realistic environments. Using a flamethrower in a house should probably set the house on fire. The walls, curtains, and the couch should burn ect. Realistic environments would help open up gameplay. It may not be as sexy as graphics but the possibilities really open up the deeper they go.

If I'm trying to kill someone on the 2nd floor it would be interesting to have the option to set the first floor on fire and the A.I. would have to decide if the target stays in the building or if he tries to jump out of the window ect.

Being a semi-PC gamer with a decent rig, I think graphically the next consoles if they use video cards in the Nvidia 600 range with the addition of more than 4GB+ RAM (which is the rumor), you will see a nice bump from the PS3 and 360. I am fairly happy with the graphics now with the PS3 and 360, if they can clean up any AA, screen tearing, and any other issues from this gen that will be awesome. At the end of the day I hope its the A.I. where things can improve with the extra processing power.

for all the concerns about the controllers breaking has anyone actually seen a controller break or do you just "think" it will break because it is light?

When controllers start breaking, I will worry. If none are breaking on the demo units, I'm not going to worry about it. You get a lot further in life if you don't waste your time worrying about what "might" happen...

Bobby, this gamepad just feels cheap in terms of the casing. Hopefully you get to check out the Wii U soon to see what we are talking about. The screen being used is the same material as you would find on the 3DS.

The demo units have only been out the past week, so we shall see if people are dropping the gamepad or not.

[Skyboxer]

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Well, I think he's partially right, I just would have worded it differently. With these next generation systems coming out, I do believe that people are looking for more than just an innovative controller... it's time to see not only an increase in graphical capability, but in AI as well.

Ultimately, you obviously want to have both. While you're right, people still play 2K5 to this day because of it's gameplay, there are clearly a lot more that don't because of how dated it is (and especially looks).

Like I said, with these new systems coming out, I don't believe it's a black and white, either/or, for consumers anymore. Unique controls are great, but people are also looking for visuals and actions that mimic what we see in real life and in movies.

AI is the key. I'll take less graphics over gameplay all day, every day. Like I stated in the PS4/720 threads. If the next gen is simply prettier graphics and the same dead AI...no thanks. (Yeah I'll still buy them as I'm weak. Just feels good to say.. No thanks )

Also the Pad is being used for other things also in certain games. The scope when using a sniper rifle, a radar looking for zombies and clues etc..
You simply can not at this time say the controller is a bad concept, based off what's currently available to play.

[jmood88]

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Graphics are important but I believe we've hit a wall in graphics and horsepower in terms of driving video game sales. The current gen games produce great graphics. The next gen will be better but the jump from PS1 to PS2 and PS2 to PS3 will be a far bigger jump than what we will see in the next gen.

I don't think that this is true at all, this current generation has just run longer than usual and PC developers are still basing their games off of current consoles so it's hard to see a huge difference other than resolution. Just look at the tech demo for the new game by Chris Roberts or the Final Fantasy tech demo, even with those being very early they still look much better than what we have now. The graphics aren't even close to looking realistic.

The Wii has outsold the 360 and PS3 in spite of its graphics because it sold premium first party games and had a gimmick/feature (motion controls) people wanted or thought they wanted. People love gaming on their phones as well and they are cheap but addictive. The market is just different. Graphics are significantly lower on the totem pole in terms of getting the public to buy a game. I do think the lack of horsepower may become an issue down the road for third party Wii U support but I think the Tablet controller has potential. Besides, Mario will always sell regardless.

People do play a lot of games on their phone but the phone experience is completely different from the console experience. Graphics on a phone don't matter as much since the screen is so small that you can get away with something not looking as good (although there are some amazing looking iphone games out there) but playing on a tv is different. Graphics aren't the only thing but watch, when people see the footage of new games at the VGA's and E3, the excitement will go through the roof.

I also think the better graphics on the PS4/NextBox will drive development costs so high that the new games will scare people away from those systems to a degree. People already bitch about paying $60 for a game. What about $70 or $80 for a AAA next gen game? That may really hurt next gen gaming.

People forget that games in the SNES and Genesis days got up to $80 and higher, it's only recent that we one standard price for all games. There's also the fact that middleware like the Unreal Engine have been made with an emphasis on keeping costs down. Things will be expensive but the industry has been trying to do things that keep the costs down.

[jmood88]

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Being a semi-PC gamer with a decent rig, I think graphically the next consoles if they use video cards in the Nvidia 600 range with the addition of more than 4GB+ RAM (which is the rumor), you will see a nice bump from the PS3 and 360. I am fairly happy with the graphics now with the PS3 and 360, if they can clean up any AA, screen tearing, and any other issues from this gen that will be awesome. At the end of the day I hope its the A.I. where things can improve with the extra processing power.



Bobby, this gamepad just feels cheap in terms of the casing. Hopefully you get to check out the Wii U soon to see what we are talking about. The screen being used is the same material as you would find on the 3DS.

The demo units have only been out the past week, so we shall see if people are dropping the gamepad or not.

Aren't the gamepads tethered anyway? You shouldn't see them break unless someone is banging it against the casing.

[Skyboxer]

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Yes there are some design decisions a that are curious but agian if it delivers the Nintendo experience and gameplay that's all that matters for those that are looking forward to that.

Nintendo has never been about being a monster system and more about delivering Nintendo into the homes.
As long as we get games that take advantage of the pad in a cool fun way then ok. Otherwise I'de be very bummed out.
For me it's a win win. Don't keep it...sell on EBAY easily....

Didn't hurt the Wii and I'd expect it won't hurt the WiiU I guess you never know.

[jmood88]

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Yes there are some design decisions a that are curious but agian if it delivers the Nintendo experience and gameplay that's all that matters for those that are looking forward to that.

Nintendo has never been about being a monster system and more about delivering Nintendo into the homes.
As long as we get games that take advantage of the pad in a cool fun way then ok. Otherwise I'de be very bummed out.
For me it's a win win. Don't keep it...sell on EBAY easily....

Didn't hurt the Wii and I'd expect it won't hurt the WiiU I guess you never know but you never know.

Except it did hurt the Wii. They sold a lot of systems but no one bought any games that didn't feature Mario & Friends and it's looking like the same thing is going to happen this time. Nintendo hasn't been able to get third parties on their systems since the Nintendo 64 and they aren't helping themselves or their fans by putting out a system that barely stacks up to 6 and 7 year old consoles.

[mestevo]

Observations after playing at the demo kiosk:

- controller doesn't feel all that flimsy and cheap to me, but would make sure its taken care of better than our 360 controllers. Not too concerned about it, and I'd make sure others with this concern check out a kiosk.

- Rayman looks nice, but a platformer that looks like it could be released on Live/PSN. I don't see how this sells a system.

- the kiosk felt like it was demonstrating a Wii peripheral, not it's successor. The motto on it was even something like 'This is how U will play Wii'

Some of the videos and still shots looked neat, and maybe just beyond what the current consoles can do (certainly a generational leap ahead of the Wii) but u less you let people try those things out this kiosk just kinda scratches the 'wanna see the new shiny' itch enthusiasts have. Many of those I expect will come away unimpressed.

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[Skyboxer]

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Except it did hurt the Wii. They sold a lot of systems but no one bought any games that didn't feature Mario & Friends and it's looking like the same thing is going to happen this time. Nintendo hasn't been able to get third parties on their systems since the Nintendo 64 and they aren't helping themselves or their fans by putting out a system that barely stacks up to 6 and 7 year old consoles.

So you are saying they didn't turn a profit on the Wii?
I did not know that.
Yes, the system is not a huge power box but again I don't think Nintendo ever will be.
Yet they stick around.

[jmood88]

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So you are saying they didn't turn a profit on the Wii?
I did not know that.
Yes, the system is not a huge power box but again I don't think Nintendo ever will be.
Yet they stick around.

I was talking about hurting them games-wise, not money-wise.