PlayStation 4 Discussion

[Knight165]

Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

P.S. Knight - can you watch TV and play games on your HDTV and easily make changes while only needing your game controller? Innovate, gentlemen and think of the possibilities.

Ummm....yeah pretty much....(minus the one controller.....but since my AV Control Center is right on my desk.....but I suppose I could get even LAZIER somehow!)
It's pretty simple and this crazy thing called PiP!
So you could play The Show AND watch MLB games all on one single display!
(of course....you can't with the XBone...but...)

Yeah...you bought a Media Center with the XBone....
I've had one for years now(minus talking to it...but I barely talk to my wife any more so....)
So really ....who is welcoming who to the future brother?!

M.K.
Knight165

[sbauer318]

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It will take quite a while for our society to get accustomed to technology. Remember when people used to say I would never need to use a phone wherever I am - it can wait? What about I don't need the internet wherever I am, I will just use my computer at home?

Go back and search the iPad thread about all the naysayers and look at them now - they all have one.

It's about recognizing advances in technology that will help shape how we live. I don't expect everyone to get it - they will make jokes and stay stuck in their old ways. I can recognize the shifts we are seeing and I know others can as well.

But of course... you may still have a flip phone and think texting is for kids. More power to you, brothers.

P.S. Knight - can you watch TV and play games on your HDTV and easily make changes while only needing your game controller? Innovate, gentlemen and think of the possibilities.

I'm sorry, but I disagree pretty much everything you said here. You can't even compare an iPhone or an iPad to the Xbox One. Innovating is not putting a premium on a device so that people can integrate a service that people already hate paying for. Many people are looking for ways to cut down on their cable bills. Where was Microsoft's true innovation here?

HDMI in port, throw an interface over it, download TV data from an existing service, add voice processing to turn that speech into data, search the downloaded TV data with the processed voice data, and send an IR signal based on the channel found? Yeah, that's not very innovative. Yes, integrating it with a machine that plays games is different, but it doesn't solve any huge problems. It doesn't change the way we live right now. It takes an existing service that's overpriced and that we hate, and then making it an important piece of a gaming console that doesn't have the best specs and even reduces the available specs because of the overhead needed to run the entire system (two cores and 10% of the GPU, which is already has 50% of the shaders that the PS4 has).

The iPad innovated because it had an easy to use OS, a great screen, and reduced the need to use a heavy/hot laptop. It reduced the need for additional devices. As great apps started coming in, the system started selling itself. Games were cheap. You could watch media. You didn't have to pay another $150 month to another company to keep part of the system intact.

As a software developer, it's my job to stay on top of technologies. I'm a gadget nut. This just isn't all that new or exciting.

[Pared]

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Yup. Kinect/PS Camera will never be needed for gaming. Voice commands are silly and we could always use a headset for that - even though pushing a button will always be infinitely easier. Voice commands in gaming date back to at least the Nintendo 64 (Hey You, Pikachu!) and look how well those have caught on. It's a gimmick and nothing more.

It can't be compared to how other technology catches on. Having a cell phone on you at all times is actually a semi-smart idea (car breaks down on the road, emergency situations, etc) compared to "HEY WE CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE IN VIDEO GAMES NOW. SAY A FEW WORDS INSTEAD OF PRESSING 'A'." Even sillier is the thought they want me to swing my arm around in the air swatting imaginary flies instead of pressing left/right on the d-pad/joystick.

The biggest thing the camera adds to the PS4 is the added bonus to streaming it gives for those with a proper set-up, they can come closer to mirroring what the normal PC stream set-up is like. I'm sure it will be the same with the XBone when they get streaming going, however long that takes them (some time Q1 next year I think they said?)

XBone is fine for what it is (an entertainment box) but when it comes to providing actual console video games and the best console experience... I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole in relation to the PS4. Now if you're the type of gamer that only gets geeked over the MS exclusives (Halo and Forza really the only two ever worth noting in the past generation)... by all means go crazy with it. They made it for you.

Hindsight is 20/20.

So you just slighted the entire virtual movement that is going on with technology? Funny enough, your fly swatting example is exactly what Sony tried to push with the launch of the PS4. Go look at what Sony pushed as innovative with PS4 camera and interacting with their demo game, something we were able to do with the PS2.

[Knight165]

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This thread is sliding.

I don't mind jabbing(especially with Pared....we're friends)....but let's not get nutty.

I have both consoles.....I'm sure I will love both.....I think everyone acknowledges that both will be a good step in gaming(and other things)....

M.K.
Knight165

[jake44np]

Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

Quick ?
What does the number mean below the game title when u go to load it?
Like right now on 2k14 there is a thumbs up sign and the # 5.7 for 2k.
What is this #?

[TheDutchDad]

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I see a distinct difference between these two threads. Guys here in the PS4 thread are justfitying have the "Best possible gaming only machine" and bashing the "kiddie" multi-media aspect to the XB1. While the guys in the XB1 thread are just drooling over the fact the XB1 is amazingly awesome at gaming AND everything else. No ones talking about the PS4 there because there's no need.

I even said yesterday how I liked the PS4, but honestly, the XB1 did the best job offering the public the best leap forward in terms of what we will be seeing now, and in the future. Some people who will remain nameless sent me PM's saying they were "offended" I didn't gush over the PS4's raw power. Honestly, that raw power, will never be an issue. You'll never notice a great difference over these two machines gaming capabilities as time goes on.

Right now, I have a good gaming PC, not the best, but my friend has an abvsolutel beast of a machine, and when I see him play BF4, and compare it to my "high" settings to his "ultra" settings, the difference literally means nothing to me.

Whoever is saying the XB1 isn't being innovative isn't really paying attention. They are the ones that brought the most advanced innovation to the table these past 2 weeks.

And just so I'm not labeled the fanboy label, I have a PS3, loved it, and love Uncharted and The Show...which is why I will be buying the PS4 as soon as one of those games come out.

[TheDutchDad]

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This thread is sliding.

I don't mind jabbing(especially with Pared....we're friends)....but let's not get nutty.

I have both consoles.....I'm sure I will love both.....I think everyone acknowledges that both will be a good step in gaming(and other things)....

M.K.
Knight165

This. This thread is crazy right now. Guys it's ok...you're welcome to buy an XB1 as well.










Kidding. Don't kill me.

[Knight165]

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I see a distinct difference between these two threads. Guys here in the PS4 thread are justfitying have the "Best possible gaming only machine" and bashing the "kiddie" multi-media aspect to the XB1. While the guys in the XB1 thread are just drooling over the fact the XB1 is amazingly awesome at gaming AND everything else. No ones talking about the PS4 there because there's no need.

I even said yesterday how I liked the PS4, but honestly, the XB1 did the best job offering the public the best leap forward in terms of what we will be seeing now, and in the future. Some people who will remain nameless sent me PM's saying they were "offended" I didn't gush over the PS4's raw power. Honestly, that raw power, will never be an issue. You'll never notice a great difference over these two machines gaming capabilities as time goes on.

Right now, I have a good gaming PC, not the best, but my friend has an abvsolutel beast of a machine, and when I see him play BF4, and compare it to my "high" settings to his "ultra" settings, the difference literally means nothing to me.

Whoever is saying the XB1 isn't being innovative isn't really paying attention. They are the ones that brought the most advanced innovation to the table these past 2 weeks.

And just so I'm not labeled the fanboy label, I have a PS3, loved it, and love Uncharted and The Show...which is why I will be buying the PS4 as soon as one of those games come out.

Well....to be honest...there is only one reason we are talking about XBone in here and it's not because of PS4 guys.


M.K.
Knight165

[bluengold34_OS]

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There's no reason to take offense. I'm simply referring to those that can't recognize the advancements and offerings we have right now that will become more of a standard going forward. If you don't think you will be talking to your PC or mobile device in the future, you're simply not forward thinking.

You can drive a VW Jetta and prefer - but it does not mean you should slight a more advanced offering.

But if you want to take offense, feel free to interpret my comments however you like. I have both systems and am playing the PS4 more. Doesn't mean I cannot recognize the Xbox is a more feature robust system.

Unfortunately, much like in the iPad release thread where I spoke of the change on the horizon people made jokes then as well. The nature of technology!

I also do not expect people frequenting THIS thread to take to my positive comments on the competing console to be receptive here. I've never slighted what the PS4 offers; I'm simply staying the XB1 offers more. Simple facts.



Can you stop offering absolutely nothing to the community? Your comments are getting really old.

I do agree that it is easy to mock innovation or anything that you are not comfortable with, and society tends to that often(not just in regards to technology) I also applaud Microsoft for trying to take that next step. Who knows, maybe 2-3 years from now I will love the voice command stuff as I do on iPhone/iPad, but for now I do not.

[Pared]

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I'm sorry, but I disagree pretty much everything you said here. You can't even compare an iPhone or an iPad to the Xbox One. Innovating is not putting a premium on a device so that people can integrate a service that people already hate paying for. Many people are looking for ways to cut down on their cable bills. Where was Microsoft's true innovation here?

HDMI in port, throw an interface over it, download TV data from an existing service, add voice processing to turn that speech into data, search the downloaded TV data with the processed voice data, and send an IR signal based on the channel found? Yeah, that's not very innovative. Yes, integrating it with a machine that plays games is different, but it doesn't solve any huge problems. It doesn't change the way we live right now. It takes an existing service that's overpriced and that we hate, and then making it an important piece of a gaming console that doesn't have the best specs and even reduces the available specs because of the overhead needed to run the entire system (two cores and 10% of the GPU, which is already has 50% of the shaders that the PS4 has).

The iPad innovated because it had an easy to use OS, a great screen, and reduced the need to use a heavy/hot laptop. It reduced the need for additional devices. As great apps started coming in, the system started selling itself. Games were cheap. You could watch media. You didn't have to pay another $150 month to another company to keep part of the system intact.

As a software developer, it's my job to stay on top of technologies. I'm a gadget nut. This just isn't all that new or exciting.

Again - if you're thinking "in the box."

You are telling me HDMI passthrough cannot be used for other things, support for something that can be offered in a software update in the future? Control any HDMI device from one central device?

I walked into my living room this morning, said "Xbox On" and it turned on my TV, cable box and game system. In a minute I was watching TV while getting ready to play KI. All without needing to grab remotes or do anything else.

Anyway, I'll let us get back on topic. I can go on and on regarding the topic but it's probably best suited for those interested in the discussion in the comparison thread. People here just want to focus on how great the PS4 is. Rightly so.

[TheDutchDad]

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I do agree that it is easy to mock innovation or anything that you are not comfortable with, and society tends to that that often(not just in regards to technology) I also applaud Microsoft for trying to take that next step. Who knows, maybe 2-3 years from now I will love the voice command stuff as I do on phone/iPad, but for now I do not.

I honestly never wanted the Kinect and the voice stuff, but holy balls...after using it, I won't go back. So good.

[bluengold34_OS]

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Quick ?
What does the number mean below the game title when u go to load it?
Like right now on 2k14 there is a thumbs up sign and the # 5.7 for 2k.
What is this #?

How many community "Likes" the game has received -

[cferg21]

Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

Quick ?
What does the number mean below the game title when u go to load it?
Like right now on 2k14 there is a thumbs up sign and the # 5.7 for 2k.
What is this #?

Pretty sure it's the number of people that have liked/thumps up the game.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

This. This thread is crazy right now. Guys it's ok...you're welcome to buy an XB1 as well.










Kidding. Don't kill me.

thats fine no one said you couldnt, but to come in here and start posting opinions as if they are facts about the other console is not needed this is a PS4 thread could care less about XB1 features go to that thread or the comparison thread. Again saying they are the more innovative one the last two weeks again I disagree otherwise I would have one as well and nothing about kinect appeals to me and would bet if consumers had a choice they would have purchased without more than with kinect

[ubernoob]

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Let's not forget the fact that there have been HTPCs around that do the XBone's media functions better.

Things like gigantic storage space, connecting to NAS (if you really want to go digital with your media), sorting, listing and downloading all the information for the media you have saved on the computer. All for much cheaper than an XBone. Yes, you lose the ability to play "console" games of this generation in a way... but if you built a HTPC for a couple hundred a few years ago and bought a PS4 you're in a better position than owning an XBone, in terms of media and flexibility - in my opinion of course.

Here's a little picture I just took of an episode I have downloaded on my PC. I'd like to see the XBone do this when I put an .avi, .mp4 or .mkv file on it (just kidding, consoles don't want to play MKV files.)

Spoiler

Hindsight is 20/20.

So you just slighted the entire virtual movement that is going on with technology? Funny enough, your fly swatting example is exactly what Sony tried to push with the launch of the PS4. Go look at what Sony pushed as innovative with PS4 camera and interacting with their demo game, something we were able to do with the PS2.

I am slighting the whole thing, because it's silly. Regardless if it's Sony or Microsoft doing the pushing of it.

I have nothing against Microsoft in the console game, my issues with them are pretty much strictly PC-based. I loved my 360 to death.