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  • daniel77733
    Banned
    • Nov 2011
    • 3544

    #886
    Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

    Originally posted by mestevo
    and wouldn't be surprised to see a token price drop, no matter how many 1000 word responses daniel77733 has to rebut that
    HAHAHAHA!!!!! Sorry but zero percent chance of that happening. With Sony skipping GamesCom in favor of an October show (forgot which one), I can see a 25% chance of a price drop to $350 for the holidays announced at that time but a 75% chance of that bundle that I listed above as being more likely.

    Sony has absolutely no reason to drop the price of PS4. People say that they have no exclusives but that's bullcrap. They have exclusives but they're spread out throughout the year where as Microsoft puts them all together for the holiday season which going by sales of last year's Forza, Sunset and Halo: MCC, that doesn't exactly work either. PS4 is ahead by over 10m and granted, it's less than 1m in NA but that's because Microsoft is an American company while Sony is a Japanese company. The difference is that despite that, you would think that Xbox One would be winning but yet, it's losing and getting crushed in Japan and everywhere else.

    Sony released The Order: 1886 in February and yeah yeah, I know it got horrible reviews and whatnot but it's all bullcrap. Game is an 8.5/10 in my opinion and at worse, a 7/10. It's virtually a bug and glitch free game yet Unity, Witcher and countless others seem to have so many bugs and glitches that you can't even keep track of them but yet, none of the reviews mention that, do they? The Order was an easy click bait for revenue by websites because majority of gamers that played and finished the game like myself can honestly say that in no way, shape or form does it deserve less than a 7/10. I have played and finished games that are a 7/10 and The Order blows them away. The Order was an easy target, plain and simple. Was it perfect? Hell no but no game is, was or ever will be. It was a good 12 hour linear visual cinematic experience with the best visuals period, a great story and characters, music, sound and voice acting and good gameplay with the gunplay being excellent. Most people bash it because it was linear, short, had no multi-player online garbage, didn't have numerous bugs and glitches which seems to increase the scores of games nowadays and wasn't what people were expecting. Still a good game especially when compared to what's been released on PS4 and Xbox One thus far.

    Sony released Bloodborne in late March and while I just bought it the other day, I haven't played it yet but it seems to be in the 9 range and an excellent overall action RPG. God of War III re-mastered releases in July, Until Dawn on August 25th and the much expected Uncharted trilogy collection in November which is basically Sony's version of Halo: MCC. Only difference is that I don't see the Uncharted collection being riddled with bugs, glitches and problems.

    What has Microsoft had this year? NOTHING. Their best game is a $20 digital download called Ori and the Blind Forest. You can add in State of Decay if you want which was a very good game in my opinion but three years later, the same exact problems still exist and I simply don't see how that's possible but yet, it is. Scream Ride is crap and makes Knack look like a classic in comparison.

    Forza is a great racing game but it doesn't sell anymore. That's no threat. DriveClub with all it's problems and the non-existent PS+ version still outsold Forza Horizon 2 last year. Halo: MCC sold over 2m excluding the console bundle which isn't horrible but that's not exactly great either considering that Halo is Xbox. Plus, the game like virtually every one thus far this generation was riddled with bugs, glitches and problems. Sunset Overdrive sold less than 1m excluding console bundles. Not sure how the bundles sold.

    Quite honestly, exclusives wise, Nintendo has blown both Sony and Microsoft away combined despite the Wii U selling less than 10m and being inferior in so many ways.

    Sony doesn't need to panic or make a rushed decision like Sega did 20 years ago. There's no reason for them to do so as they will be fine come October, November and December.

    Also have to remember that Sony is winning despite them delaying Uncharted 4 and not showing or announcing release dates for games that are in development as there's simply no reason for them to do so. Look at 360/PS3. 360 had the exclusives early but it was PS3 who ended up having more and for me personally, better exclusives that I actually wanted to buy and play.

    Xbox One won in sales for April but it was by less than 13K. LOL. Seriously, that's no big deal at all. If anything, Sony could be sleeping, they wake up to hear that, shrug and then go back to sleep. January, February and March was won by Sony despite Xbox One being $50 cheaper and including free games.

    In the end, if there's a PS4 price drop announcement, it won't be until October when Sony appears at that show (forgot the name). There's no way in hell that Sony will drop the price of PS4 at E3 nor announce a future price drop and anyone who knows how all these companies work should know why -

    Cutting the price of PS4 at E3 will result in a refund of the difference in regards to all the Batman console bundle pre-orders and if there's no refund, consumers will just cancel the pre-order. That would be a horrible business decision. Announcing a price drop regardless of when it goes "live" would alienate all of those who pre-ordered the Batman console bundle and piss them off in the process. Again, that would be a horrible business decision.

    If there was no Batman console bundle, I would say that it's 50/50 and could go either way but the bundle prevents it from happening or being announced simply because it doesn't make any business sense.

    Just like Microsoft increasing Xbox One back to $400 after the holidays for two weeks only to go back down to $350. Horrible business decision. The price drop discussion also applies to Wii U as they just released the Splatoon bundle for $300. Imagine how many consumers will be pissed off if Nintendo announces a price drop at E3.

    Funny thing is that I see Microsoft announcing a price drop to $300 with no games and that new revised controller being packed in to replace the current controller. That I put at 75% chance of happening especially since their press conference is hours before Sony's.

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    • daniel77733
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      • Nov 2011
      • 3544

      #887
      Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

      Forgot to add three things -

      1 - Microsoft is desperate and doesn't care if they lose millions of dollars as long as their console sells. Sony isn't desperate and does care if they lose millions of dollars especially after the horrible PS3 launch and early years. Like they say, desperate people do desperate things. This also applies to companies. Microsoft is desperate to get their console in your living room while Sony is just taking a wait and see what happens approach.

      2 - Unless Xbox One outsells PS4 1.5 to 1 or higher between now and that October show, Sony still won't lower the price of the PS4 simply because once they get through the holidays in which all they have to do is absorb Microsoft's all-in approach, they get to release what could be the best eighth generation game thus far in March with Uncharted 4 and console exclusive Street Fighter V in April or May. Chances are, Microsoft won't have a damn thing during those months as they seem to load up for the holidays while releasing few to no exclusives in the nine months prior where as Sony spreads out their releases and actually has a good history in regards to March when it comes to releasing exclusives. In fact, after reading a topic about it on NeoGaf, it's actually better than I ever thought it was. I was actually surprised.

      3 - Project Morpheus. My prediction is a September 2016 release at $200 which will be announced at E3 2016. This is also where the price drop and a slim model get announced and shown for PS4. The price drop would be $100 making the slim PS4 $300. Granted, $500 is a lot of money for both combined but the majority of those who buy Morpheus already own a PS4 so in a way, it doesn't matter.

      In the end, just have to wait and see.

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      • ricky24
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        • Jan 2014
        • 4888

        #888
        Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

        I'm so glad I dont care how many other people own the same game I'm playing while I'm playing it.

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        • lhslancers
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          • Nov 2011
          • 3589

          #889
          Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

          Microsoft now has that deal for the console with the new controller and larger hard drive. Halo collection along with AC Unity which I hear ain't all that. You do get a $50 credit in the MS store which pretty much buys you a free game.

          Aside from The Show and Naughty Dog games which are only for the Sony unit obviously what else would I be missing by just getting the MS console?

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          • daniel77733
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            • Nov 2011
            • 3544

            #890
            Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

            Originally posted by lhslancers
            Microsoft now has that deal for the console with the new controller and larger hard drive. Halo collection along with AC Unity which I hear ain't all that. You do get a $50 credit in the MS store which pretty much buys you a free game.

            Aside from The Show and Naughty Dog games which are only for the Sony unit obviously what else would I be missing by just getting the MS console?
            The Xbox One bundle actually includes the 1TB console, new 3.5mm wireless controller, Halo: MCC, AC Unity, a $50 coupon promo code via email when purchasing the bundle at the MS store and a free game (Witcher, Batman, etc.). Must admit that this bundle is excellent. Definitely makes me wonder how the Black Friday deals will be.

            In regards to the second part, Until Dawn, Bloodborne, The Order: 1886 and a few exclusive indie games would be what you're missing, at least for the rest of 2015. Third party games do look, run and play better on PS4 than Xbox One.

            Can't go wrong either way but in the end, it comes down to which console has the exclusives that you want to play. If you care more about the Naughty Dog games, the Show, etc. then I would suggest buying a PS4. If you care more about Halo 5, Forza 6, etc. then I would suggest buying an Xbox One.

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            • mestevo
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              • Apr 2010
              • 19556

              #891
              Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

              If you have to ask, you're probably not missing much.

              I'd go w/ the console that your friends have, and that has games you want to play.

              PS4 should run games 'better', and has in the past, remains to be seen if third parties will consistently go that route, and for the most part the differences are only noticeable in side-by-side comparisons in many cases, so depends on how sensitive you are to that kind of thing.

              Batman certainly doesn't make a very compelling case for one over the other.



              I started PS4, wife bought us an Xbox One, if I had to do it over again I'd just go with the One. Got the PS4 because friends bought into the backlash and most were buying that console. Our multiplayer heydey we briefly enjoyed in the 360 era dissipated and didn't make it to this gen. Meanwhile our Xbox One is on all. the. time. A quick voice command or button press and I'm playing a game, without switching inputs. If I was already playing it, there isn't even any hesitation. This has me quickly expanding a library of digital titles available just a couple button presses away (60+ titles and counting).

              The de facto exclusive EA Access, an evolving platform to suit the needs of gamers as the generation matures, free games w/ gold, Xbox 360 emulation & free copies of some games i owned last gen digitally and the potential synergies involved w/ windows 10 are all gravy.

              Our PS4 is a Diablo 3 box. Grabbed Driveclub PS+ edition now that it's available but you'll find few who don't think Forza Horizon 2 is the best driving game this gen if not well before this gen as well. Forza is so good that it makes me hate driving the Batmobile in the new batman game even more because if feels floaty and the driving physics are a bit of an afterthought in parts it seems, lol. Not like I'll be getting rid of it anytime soon, there are games I want to play time permitting, just have little time and a lot of games right now.

              Anyways, you can't go wrong with either system, just a matter of assessing what's valuable to you. Incentives like the games and space are nice, but you can buy pretty much any USB 3.0 drive and tack on space, and you can put a couple TB into a PS4 pretty easily. Longer term it's things like friend ownership and franchises you enjoy (if third party, then more the friend bit) that make a purchase rewarding.

              There's also Rock Band, with previous gen DLC being backward compatible I know some friends who were so invested that if they knew that they'd have made a switch to one side or the other and are considering it just for that game, lol.
              Last edited by mestevo; 06-30-2015, 08:28 AM. Reason: I kan spel gud.

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              • NYGiants4Natic
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                • Apr 2010
                • 2046

                #892
                Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                Originally posted by daniel77733
                The Xbox One bundle actually includes the 1TB console, new 3.5mm wireless controller, Halo: MCC, AC Unity, a $50 coupon promo code via email when purchasing the bundle at the MS store and a free game (Witcher, Batman, etc.). Must admit that this bundle is excellent. Definitely makes me wonder how the Black Friday deals will be.

                In regards to the second part, Until Dawn, Bloodborne, The Order: 1886 and a few exclusive indie games would be what you're missing, at least for the rest of 2015. Third party games do look, run and play better on PS4 than Xbox One.

                Can't go wrong either way, but in the end, it comes down to which console has the exclusives that you want to play. If you care more about the Naughty Dog games, the Show, etc. Then I would suggest buying a PS4. If you care more about Halo 5, Forza 6, etc. Then I would suggest buying an Xbox One.

                The Witcher runs better on Xbox One which is a FACT

                The only advantage the PS4 has is native resolution. Which is offset by many of their games having a lack of antioscopic filtering...

                A gamer should not choose a console over the other based on 1080p or 900p in some games and a 30fps to 28fps at times scale.

                MS has more games right now and Sony is talking games for next year where MS is concern with the now. MS will have plenty of games next year to as they are not just doing this year.

                I am the owner of both consoles and both make me happy. I just tend to agree with the notion that you get more value from the xbox one over the ps4

                If the current xbox one was what came out first. We would not be talking about 25 million ps4 sold

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                • The JareBear
                  Be Good To One Another
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 11560

                  #893
                  Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                  I agree with that last line from NYG.

                  The One, as it stands now, has drastically bridged the gap and at the very least drawn even with the PS4 in my opinion.

                  Frankly, I think they both kick ***. I think One is winning right now as far as exclusives (unless you're a big baseball fan, can't beat The Show) and I also believe in PS4's raw power. I don't want to get too much into this because it is a can of worms, but I do believe (based solely on my own personal observations that I gathered from using both of my consoles simultaneously side by side for comparison sake) that the vast majority, if not all, third part games so far run a smidge better on PS4. The different is not very big in almost all cases and only people like me who are obsessed with that kind of stuff will really notice.

                  The One, right now, is a great value and offers A LOT for a variety of consumers, gamers first and foremost but also to more than just gamers, which is awesome.

                  For the vast majority of time since launch the PS4 was by far my primary console. Probably 80 percent PS4/20 percent One as far as usage, but that has changed. It's about even for me right now, probably 55 PS4/45 One. If I had TV setup in my gaming room it would probably be more Xbox one for the great entertainment center features.

                  Honestly though, I really love both consoles. My PS4 is awesome and I love it. The One is great and keeps getting better.
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                  • ODogg
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                    #894
                    Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                    I own both and have since Day One. I think the PS4 is the clear choice unless you are a huge racing fan and Forza is your draw *or* if your friends are all on Xbox Live. I pretty much purchase and play almost everything on PS4 now. The interface is faster and more responsive, the 3rd party games run better, it has Spotify (and can play music unsnapped) and I really like the controller design a little better as well..

                    With that being said I do not regret my Xbox One purchases at all as I use them for media hubs and I do love the racing games better than the PS4s. But if you just want the best flat out gaming machine I heartily recommend the PS4 over the Xbox One.
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                    • daniel77733
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                      • Nov 2011
                      • 3544

                      #895
                      Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                      Originally posted by NYGiants4Natic
                      The Witcher runs better on Xbox One which is a FACT

                      The only advantage the PS4 has is native resolution. Which is offset by many of their games having a lack of antioscopic filtering...

                      A gamer should not choose a console over the other based on 1080p or 900p in some games and a 30fps to 28fps at times scale.

                      MS has more games right now and Sony is talking games for next year where MS is concern with the now. MS will have plenty of games next year to as they are not just doing this year.

                      I am the owner of both consoles and both make me happy. I just tend to agree with the notion that you get more value from the xbox one over the ps4

                      If the current xbox one was what came out first. We would not be talking about 25 million ps4 sold
                      Considering the Xbox One version had a game breaking bug/glitch that corrupts save files, I seriously doubt that the Xbox One version is better. On PS4, the main problem is frames per second but it's not a first person shooter so thankfully, it's not a major problem. If anything, the main problem is the bad to horrible pop-in but I have seen that on every game including exclusives on both consoles so it doesn't really matter since it evens out.

                      As for not taking resolution and frames per second into consideration, I disagree. That's like buying a 720p HDTV over a 1080p HDTV. If you're looking into buying an HDTV, you're supposed to do some research into all of that stuff. Gamers should definitely take it into consideration. I don't know why any gamer wouldn't. Look at Batman, 1080p on PS4, 900p on Xbox One and numerous bugs, glitches and problems have been reported where as PS4 version runs almost flawlessly. In short, third party games are better on PS4 than Xbox One just like 360 was better than PS3. You can debate this all day but it's actually a fact for one simple reason - PS4 is easier to develop for than Xbox One and just like last gen, that makes the biggest difference.

                      As for Microsoft having more games than PS4 isn't accurate. Via Wikipedia, PS4 has 337 playable/purchasable games while Xbox One has 192. As for 2015, it's all based on personal preference. I don't give two craps about Halo or Forza so they mean nothing to me. Only Tomb Raider is of any interest and that's timed exclusive. PS4 doesn't really have any more exclusives for 2015 except for Until Dawn which I care more about than I do Halo or Forza. And Sony released The Order: 1886 (yeah yeah, I know, whatever) and Bloodborne this year. What has Microsoft released? That's right - ScreamRide - LMFAO!!! Are you ******* kidding me??? LOL.

                      As for 2016, I think that you're getting ahead of yourself. The only exclusive on either console that's been confirmed to release in 2016 is Uncharted 4. Other than that, every game is a wait and see. Of course, it doesn't matter anyway as Microsoft always releases their franchises early on in the life cycle and then, it dies out by the end where as Sony still releases exclusives.

                      You may be the owner of both consoles but you easily favor and kiss Microsoft's *** as much as I do Sony's. As for more value, I had an Xbox One for just under a month. There was no value in it for me. Horrible interface, can't turn off the controller vibration, console is bigger than an old school VCR, etc. UGH. By the time Scalebound and Quantum Break get released, a nice slim Xbox One should be hitting the market.

                      Nice try about the PS4 only selling 25 million consoles because they were first. That's a ******* joke!!! A week earlier doesn't mean anything and here's why - PS4 was SOLD OUT during pre-orders while thousands and thousands of Xbox One consoles were sitting on the shelves of Best Buy, GameStop and everywhere else. If you really believe this then you're a bigger Microsoft and Xbox One fanboy than I could ever be for Sony and PS4. LMFAO.

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                      • BattleBornLV
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                        • Nov 2012
                        • 1719

                        #896
                        Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                        Man you take this console stuff way to serious. It's really that serious to you huh lol, good stuff.

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                        • daniel77733
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 3544

                          #897
                          Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                          Originally posted by BattleBornLV
                          Man you take this console stuff way to serious. It's really that serious to you huh lol, good stuff.
                          To be honest, yeah it is. I don't want Microsoft to win and here's why - DRM, all digital, always online, no discs and thus no used games, buy at $60 digitally or don't buy, Kinect garbage as I wouldn't be surprised if they "reintroduce" it at some point and the main reason being this -

                          At E3 2013, Microsoft basically screwed over all of their loyal fans by originally implementing all the above stuff that I listed and then quickly reversed it soon thereafter. This is why I take it serious. If any of the big three (Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo) ends up killing console gaming for me, I would be shocked and surprised if it's not Microsoft that does it.

                          On a related side note - the above is the MAIN REASON why PS4 has outsold Xbox One 2-1. Microsoft simply pissed off all of their loyal fans and they went to Sony, plain and simple.

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                          • BattleBornLV
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                            • Nov 2012
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                            #898
                            Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                            Originally posted by daniel77733
                            To be honest, yeah it is. I don't want Microsoft to win and here's why - DRM, all digital, always online, no discs and thus no used games, buy at $60 digitally or don't buy, Kinect garbage as I wouldn't be surprised if they "reintroduce" it at some point and the main reason being this -

                            At E3 2013, Microsoft basically screwed over all of their loyal fans by originally implementing all the above stuff that I listed and then quickly reversed it soon thereafter. This is why I take it serious. If any of the big three (Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo) ends up killing console gaming for me, I would be shocked and surprised if it's not Microsoft that does it.

                            On a related side note - the above is the MAIN REASON why PS4 has outsold Xbox One 2-1. Microsoft simply pissed off all of their loyal fans and they went to Sony, plain and simple.
                            No, really it isn't. They're video game consoles. There's way more to worry about than the evil Microsoft trying to kill gaming.

                            Again man, take a deep breath and relax.

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                            • sbauer318
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                              • Mar 2004
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                              #899
                              Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                              Originally posted by BattleBornLV
                              No, really it isn't. They're video game consoles. There's way more to worry about than the evil Microsoft trying to kill gaming.

                              Again man, take a deep breath and relax.
                              Well obviously. But people on video game forums tend to talk about tech and its related issues, not more serious issues like peace, injustice and war.
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                              • BattleBornLV
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                                • Nov 2012
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                                #900
                                Re: Owners of both PS4 and Xbox One: Pros and Cons

                                Originally posted by sbauer318
                                Well obviously. But people on video game forums tend to talk about tech and its related issues, not more serious issues like peace, injustice and war.
                                There's a difference between talking about tech, having normal discussions and just flat out being ridiculous about it.

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