***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

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  • USF11
    C*rr*ntly *n L*f* T*lt
    • Jun 2003
    • 4245

    #3316
    Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

    Originally posted by asianflow
    Okay I have a lot of thoughts on this season and the future but for this post I will only talk about why this season dropped a few notches.

    The addition of the Bluetooth Gang didn’t make any sense. And you can’t simply say they were minor characters so who really cares. From their scenes they had a partnership with the “main bad guy” President Logan. It even appeared the Bluetooth Gang was above the President asking him for updates. The motive of the Bluetooth Gang was never explained. They never said they were Patriots or were greedy for power or money.

    The 24 writers have done a great job of explaining twists and storylines. I tried to come up with an explanation but I couldn’t. The most obvious one is that they are somehow connected to the Chinese and basically gave Bauer to them at the end. But then I realized that wouldn’t make any sense. Ever since the Bluetooth Gang appeared, they kept on telling Logan that Bauer had to be taken care of. They even went as far as to tell Logan he needed to shoot down the plane that had Bauer because he had the recording. So basically the Bluetooth Gang wanted him dead. Selling him to the Chinese wouldn’t make any sense.

    It was never explained how the Bluetooth Gang got the intel that Bauer had taken over the plane. The only way they would have received that information was from inside CTU. (and no don’t tell me the mole officer that helped Bierko escape was the person that told the Bluetooth gang what happened). Which means there had to be a mole which was never explained.

    It’s important to note the final 4 episodes were re-written. I believe Chloe was suppose to turn out as a bad guy in the final episode but the writers changed their mind after the negative reaction to Edgar’s death. The inclusion of Morris was really odd. It seemed thrown together at the last minute. Chloe needed to do a digital audio transfer but she could only do it at a Comm 650 level whereas Morris had the skills to do it at a Comm 680 level. If Chloe had been revealed as a bad guy, it would have explained how the Bluetooth Gang was getting their intel from CTU. They could have just simply explained Chloe was under appreciated at CTU and she got greedy.

    I highly doubt the writers intended to add the Bluetooth Gang for no reason. It’s obvious to me there was a change in plans late in the season and they were too deep into filming to completely remove them from the storyline.

    I hope Jon Cassar does commentary on the final 1/3rd episodes of the season. I would like to hear what he says about them.


    On a less serious note, President Logan is either a "2 Pump Chump" or Martha Logan is highly skilled in the bedroom. From the foreplay to the conclusion, their romp only lasted 6 minutes.
    The "Blue Tooth" gang looked extremely similar to what I expect the Patriots in Metal Gear Solid to be. The group that controls everything that no one knows anything about.
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    • Beantown
      #DoYourJob
      • Feb 2005
      • 31523

      #3317
      Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

      Random thought about the Blue-Tooth gang...

      What if they were working for the Chinese, and the entire plan was just to do everything in their power to draw Jack out of hiding. Doesn't explain who they are, but just think: the Chinese are somehow tipped off that jack Bauer is alive. Since they can't go through the US government, as they didn't know he was alive, they contact these unknowns, and the BJedi Council comes up with the perfect plan to get jack Bauer out of hiding. Kill his friends, corrupt the enitre US government in the highest extent, etc.

      Why did they let it go so far, and not just take Jack earlier? Henderson knew who they were. The President could contact them. Wait until Henderson is dead(they seemed happy Chris died, even after the missle-plan was ruined; not like he could 'touch them' in any way other than revealing who they were) and then wait until the President is blamed for everything. Then, when Jack lets his guard down...they snag him.

      Like I said...just a random thought/theory, that I'm sure someone could shred to pieces, but yeah.

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      • VanCitySportsGuy
        NYG_Meth
        • Feb 2003
        • 9351

        #3318
        Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

        Originally posted by Longhorn6
        Random thought about the Blue-Tooth gang...

        What if they were working for the Chinese, and the entire plan was just to do everything in their power to draw Jack out of hiding. Doesn't explain who they are, but just think: the Chinese are somehow tipped off that jack Bauer is alive. Since they can't go through the US government, as they didn't know he was alive, they contact these unknowns, and the BJedi Council comes up with the perfect plan to get jack Bauer out of hiding. Kill his friends, corrupt the enitre US government in the highest extent, etc.

        Why did they let it go so far, and not just take Jack earlier? Henderson knew who they were. The President could contact them. Wait until Henderson is dead(they seemed happy Chris died, even after the missle-plan was ruined; not like he could 'touch them' in any way other than revealing who they were) and then wait until the President is blamed for everything. Then, when Jack lets his guard down...they snag him.

        Like I said...just a random thought/theory, that I'm sure someone could shred to pieces, but yeah.
        Considering only David Palmer, Tony, Michelle, and Chloe knew Jack was still alive, how would the Chinese by tipped off that Bauer was alive?

        If the Bluetooth Gang wanted to "out" Bauer and keep him alive, why didn't they stop Logan from almost shooting down the plane?

        Why would the Bluetooth Gang be working with the Chinese in the first place?

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        • Beantown
          #DoYourJob
          • Feb 2005
          • 31523

          #3319
          Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

          Originally posted by asianflow
          A)Considering only David Palmer, Tony, Michelle, and Chloe knew Jack was still alive, how would the Chinese by tipped off that Bauer was alive?

          B)If the Bluetooth Gang wanted to "out" Bauer and keep him alive, why didn't they stop Logan from almost shooting down the plane?

          C)Why would the Bluetooth Gang be working with the Chinese in the first place?
          A - One of the cliffhangers that would've been left until next season. Exactly how did they figure out that Bauer was still alive?

          B - Maybe they realized that the tape might've been worse than the Chinese. Figure if they get the President before Jack was taken, their entire plan would be worthless, and they'd be outted. But if Jack was captured, and then the president gets taken(or president gets arrested, then Jack gets captured minutes later) they can just disappear.

          C - Money? Power? Again...didn't say the theory explained who the gang was, just was the only real thing I could think of to have them involved.

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          • TexasJedi
            Pro
            • Feb 2003
            • 882

            #3320
            Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

            I got the impression that President Logan(or those working for him) had something to do with the Chinese finding Jack. He said something to the effect that "Bauer will be taken care of" in a phone call just before his arrest. That means a plan was already set in motion to capture Jack, and it is doubtful that it could have been cancelled or altered on such short notice after Logan's arrest.

            As for Jack's use of the pen mic to record Logan's confession, I think it was Jack's plan A. He knew he could not torture Logan to get that confession, so he comes up with a most elaborate plan where he makes Logan think that Jack is going to torture him. Bauer feigns restraint when it comes time to shoot Logan. Logan is saved and let's his guard down. Now Jack hopes and waits for the Logan confession.
            Last edited by TexasJedi; 05-23-2006, 04:02 PM.

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            • aukevin
              War Eagle, Go Braves!
              • Dec 2002
              • 14700

              #3321
              Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

              After thinking about it, I guess the masterminds of the project would have to be oil company men. I don't think they have anything to do with the Chinese. They just wanted to cause issues with the terrorist to cheapen oil overseas just like Logan said to Heller.

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              • TheLetterZ
                All Star
                • Jul 2002
                • 6752

                #3322
                Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                Originally posted by TexasJedi
                I got the impression that President Logan(or those working for him) had something to do with the Chinese finding Jack. He said something to the effect that "Bauer will be taken care of" in a phone call just before his arrest. That means a plan was already set in motion to capture Jack, and it is doubtful that it could have been cancelled or altered on such short notice after Logan's arrest.

                As for Jack's use of the pen mic to record Logan's confession, I think it was Jack's plan A. He knew he could not torture Logan to get that confession, so he comes up with a most elaborate plan where he makes Logan think that Jack is going to torture him. Bauer feigns restraint when it comes time to shoot Logan. Logan is saved and let's his guard down. Now Jack hopes and waits for the Logan confession.
                I disagree. At the end of season 4, it was Logan (or at least, Cummings) who wanted Bauer dead so that the Chinese couldn't get him. I don't see why Logan would've changed his mind.

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                • Flyboy
                  Daydream Believer
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 11352

                  #3323
                  Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                  Originally posted by Vince
                  Best 24 villans...

                  1. Marwan
                  2. Robocop
                  3. Drazin Bros.
                  4. Saunders
                  5. Bierko
                  6. Mandy
                  7. Gaines
                  8. Kingsley
                  9. Nina Meyers
                  10. Salazar Bros.
                  Okay, bump THAT. Nina will ALWAYS be the #1 24 villan. ALWAYS.
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                  • TexasJedi
                    Pro
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 882

                    #3324
                    Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                    That's a good point and one I had not considered, but what was Logan talking about then?

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                    • 23
                      yellow
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 66469

                      #3325
                      Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                      Well Logan had him detained. He wasnt let go until they found out that Logan was crooked and arrested him. Then he was let go. Logan had no knowledge of it because he didnt even know they found out.

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                      • 23
                        yellow
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #3326
                        Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                        Its like a science fiction movie.

                        A secured perimeter. A locked up Jack just let go.

                        Two chinese men sneak in. Kidnap Jack under their noses.

                        Get away, and the kicker.... they beat him to a puff and suddenly

                        appear on a ship in the middle of the ocean sailing away like star trek employees.

                        This all in about 2 minutes.

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                        • TheLetterZ
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6752

                          #3327
                          Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                          Originally posted by Flyboy
                          Okay, bump THAT. Nina will ALWAYS be the #1 24 villan. ALWAYS.
                          I concur.

                          My List?

                          1. Nina Myers
                          2. Stephen Saunders
                          3. Habib Marwan
                          4. Ira Gaines
                          5. Andre Drazen
                          6. Christopher Henderson
                          7. Victor Drazen
                          8. Vladimir Bierko
                          9. Mandy
                          0. Ramon Salazar

                          Everyone after that was just a wash to me. Unless I'm missing someone, no one else was all that ruthless. I don't see how you could possibly put Peter Kingsley about Nina Myers.

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                          • Vince
                            Bow for Bau
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 26017

                            #3328
                            Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                            I agree. I made a mistake with Nina, but there is no way Saunders is that high, at least IMO.
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                            • CWood2
                              TNA & WWE thanks you
                              • May 2004
                              • 4356

                              #3329
                              Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                              Originally posted by KDRE
                              Its like a science fiction movie.

                              A secured perimeter. A locked up Jack just let go.

                              Two chinese men sneak in. Kidnap Jack under their noses.

                              Get away, and the kicker.... they beat him to a puff and suddenly

                              appear on a ship in the middle of the ocean sailing away like star trek employees.

                              This all in about 2 minutes.
                              That's half as good as "Gone in 60 Seconds"...

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                              • RockyTop1
                                All Star
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 8267

                                #3330
                                Re: ***OFFICIAL 24: Day 5 Thread - SPOILERS for West Coast***

                                Great quote from Bill Simmons on 24:

                                "And with that said, I enjoyed every minute and can't wait for Season 6. Especially since Jack Bauer will finally be taller than everyone he's fighting."
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