Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

[CM1847]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

RATM first two albums (self titled and Evil Empire) were great. Lots of great hard rockin tunes. But after that, they just kinda lost "it". Don't know what happened, but they just didn't sound like the same band anymore. Too much about the liberal politics and not enough about the tunes. Just my opinion of course.

I'd take Evil Empire over Battle for LA, but they are close. And as Fresh said, they only released one studio album after the two you mentioned, the other was a cover album. So even if you though Battle for LA blew, they still only put out one bad album of original material, hard to say they lost "it" after one flop(and a highly subjective "flop" at that).

Seriously?

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Spoon
My Morning Jacket
The White Stripes
Brendan Benson
Kyuss
Queens of the Stone Age
Radiohead
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Alice in Chains
Soundgarden
Temple of the Dog
Rage Against the Machine
Foo Fighters
Sleater-Kinney
Modest Mouse
Pavement
Beck

You are stretching, a lot on some of those. Of those bands, the ones that will actually be remembered, and held in the same light as those ODogg mentioned:
Radiohead, Nirvana and Pearl Jam and you can add Green Day and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. With Rage, Soundgarden and Beck being close, but not quite.

Radiohead, Nirvana are obvious. PJ gets in because they are still going and still sell crazy amounts of tickets anywhere they play, they will be touring when they are 70 like the Stones and people will still show up. GD and RHCP are still comercially important, they will be remembered as classics. Rage & Soundgarden, neither could break into the mainstream enough, same with Beck, all had their moments, but they aren't as critically reveired as Radiohead(who will go down in history simply because they are the most heavily discussed and argued band in the past 20 years), but not as popular as the others.

Those are the only ones that would make a noise on a big level if they played a show 20 years from now(some are obviously beyond that being a possibility of course).

The rest are either such commercial non-factors that they just don't matter in the long run or flamed out too soon(without leaving a big enough impression) to matter.

[CM1847]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Its hard to compare bands that have already made their mark and aged 30-40 years than bands that have been playing (and are still playing) for 5 years or less.

That is a good point.

But still, some of those bands have been going for years and just aren't going to break. Maybe they'll be the next Pixies and get a few hundred thousand people excited about a reunion in 15 years, but they aren't going to be held on the same level as the "classics" mentioned earlier.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Some great bands but i'm not convinced they are rock legends. Will bands like Alice in Chains, Foo Fighters, Beck and the other best ones on this list really be remembered, influencing the genre and still selling albums at a steady rate 35 years from now in the year 2041 like the Beatles, Floyd, Zeppelin are right now?

If they are still played 20-30 years from now, yes. The thing with music now is that its a lot more diverse than when The Beatles and Pink Floyd were playing, so of course its going to be hard to please everyone. And I don't know why you bring up selling albums as a point of how great or how legendary a rock band is or will be.

Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, etc have already left an influence on the music scene, which is heard almost every day and I don't see the trend dying down over the course of the next 3-5 years, not with bands such as Staind, Shinedown, Seether, Godsmack, Nickelback, etc reaching as many people as they do and have a growing fanbase 3 years after they debuted.

Beck will be rembered for his versatility, to put it simply.

But really, its anybody's guess as to which bands will be revered as "legends" 20 years from now.

[CM1847]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

That's a good point but I really still do not believe the bands/artists today are on the same level of those classic bands. But part of the problem may be as has been stated in this thread, the bands that are great and could be legends are probably out there right now but we'll never hear them and they'll never have a chance to be heard because record companies and studios are unwilling to take a chance on anything different than the radio bands/artists that they want to spoon feed to the mass market.

The point is that this has NOTHING to do with the quality of music these, or any bands, are making. It has to do with ther perceived "legend" status. And you are right, we won't get as many legends from the 90s. But I think it is safe to say that At least 4 of those bands could keep recording into their 60s and sell out arenas like the Stones. Or, even better, have a nasty breakup and tease about possible reunions for years to remain in the public eye(pretty much all the others you listed).

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

That's a good point but I really still do not believe the bands/artists today are on the same level of those classic bands. But part of the problem may be as has been stated in this thread, the bands that are great and could be legends are probably out there right now but we'll never hear them and they'll never have a chance to be heard because record companies and studios are unwilling to take a chance on anything different than the radio bands/artists that they want to spoon feed to the mass market.

Just because a band never reaches mainstream status, doesn't make them any less legendary than a band who does.

[pk500]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Seriously?

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Spoon
My Morning Jacket
The White Stripes
Brendan Benson
Kyuss
Queens of the Stone Age
Radiohead
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Alice in Chains
Soundgarden
Temple of the Dog
Rage Against the Machine
Foo Fighters
Sleater-Kinney
Modest Mouse
Pavement
Beck

Huh? These bands are in the pantheon of rock with Zeppelin, The Stones and The Who? No way.

Of your list, the only bands that will have a lasting impact or influence are Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Radiohead and Beck. The rest are all good, but they're too derivative or too unknown to have a profound effect like Zeppelin or Pink Floyd.

Take care,
PK

[eXperiment63]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

You cannot seriously lump Shinedown in with Staind and Nickelback.... They may be the same genre, but they are NOTHING alike. Shinedown is FAAARRRR and away more old school than either of those two pieces of trash. Also, Shinedown probably has the best vocals in Rock right now, and if you read the lyrics youw ill realize they aren't as cliche as everyone else. Their songs actually have meaning and emotionally connect with listeners on many levels.

Speaking of legendary bands.... TOOL has had MORE influence than ANYONE in the past 15 years. TOOL is the band everyone wants to be, that band everyone rips off, the band that basically changed hard-rock/metal.

You want a NEW band that is NOTHING like what is considered 'IN'?
Hurt - Vol. 1, comes out next Tuesday. The lyrics, the music, the vocals, the SCREAM that guy ****in possesses.

http://hurtband.com/sampler/player.html

^3 song sampler, including the video for their SMASH hit Rapture. The video starts it off, just click any one fo the menu links to skip to a new page and the songs will start playing. Rapture - Falls Apart - House Carpenter
House Carpenter has the best scream I have ever heard recorded in that song. http://hurtband.com/aural.asp
^ Lyrics for those of you who don't like the genre but are interested in the guy's writing ability.

[ODogg]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Just because a band never reaches mainstream status, doesn't make them any less legendary than a band who does.

Just to clarify, selling alot of albums doesn't necessarily mean that a band is "mainstream" by any means. I'm a huge Floyd fan and they are not really mainstream in a sense that they are not easily recognizable as individuals, don't get regular radio play (other than their Another Brick in the Wall song), even in their heyday they were never truly mainstream but sold album after album.

And on the flip side selling alot of albums also doesn't make a band or artist legendary by any means..however turn that around and I think it's almost necessary that for a band or artist to be legendary they have to sell alot of albums. Alot of artists/bands sell alot of albums and then fade away and never are remembered or revered and thus move on to legendary status, but nearly all of the legendary bands and artists sell alot of albums, even if they aren't necessarily mainstream.

[ODogg]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Speaking of legendary bands.... TOOL has had MORE influence than ANYONE in the past 15 years. TOOL is the band everyone wants to be, that band everyone rips off, the band that basically changed hard-rock/metal.

I agree that Tool has got to probably be a legendary band from our current era. Good point.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

You cannot seriously lump Shinedown in with Staind and Nickelback....

Based on their influences, I can.

[eXperiment63]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Based on their influences, I can.

Uh.... no you cannot, because their BIGGEST influence is Skynyrd, which neither of those other two bands acknowledge. You OBVIOUSLY haven't heard Shinedown's latest offering.
Heroes
Yer Majesty
Atmosphere
Lady So Divine
^Those songs are NOTHING like today's music. They are straight up old school, rockin out songs.

[CM1847]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Just to clarify, selling alot of albums doesn't necessarily mean that a band is "mainstream" by any means. I'm a huge Floyd fan and they are not really mainstream in a sense that they are not easily recognizable as individuals, don't get regular radio play (other than their Another Brick in the Wall song), even in their heyday they were never truly mainstream but sold album after album.

And on the flip side selling alot of albums also doesn't make a band or artist legendary by any means..however turn that around and I think it's almost necessary that for a band or artist to be legendary they have to sell alot of albums. Alot of artists/bands sell alot of albums and then fade away and never are remembered or revered and thus move on to legendary status, but nearly all of the legendary bands and artists sell alot of albums, even if they aren't necessarily mainstream.

Basically Pink Floyd = Radiohead of the 70s

Tool, not sure about them. They take like 12 years to put out an album, they're also such a niche band. I don't know if you could get the average person to name a single Tool song. I think they will be a fringe band, sort of Sex Pistol-esque. Some people will pretty much worship them, others will know the name, but not know much about them other than they were weird. They will be influential though, I agree.

[eXperiment63]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

Tool's next album comes out 5/2... And the fact they have won 3 grammys and all of their albums have been certified atleast 3x platinum, I would say they are more than niche.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

They are straight up old school, rockin out songs.

As were Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc. I'm sorry, when I listen to Shinedown the most apparent influences I hear are from grunge bands.

[eXperiment63]

Re: Want your opinion: rage against the machine or audioslave?

LOL, those songs sound NOTHING like grunge. As I said, you obviously haven't listened to their latest album, or you didn't pay attention. They are 70's style songs, not 90's. Lady So Divine could easily be confused for Zeppelin music-wise. The others for Skynyrd.

I'm not saying they aren't influenced by grunge aswell though. Their first album was HEAVILY influenced by AIC and Soundgarden. Their second album though... It's acoustic and old-school with like 1-2 grunge-esque songs tossed in.