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  • CM1847
    Bacon
    • Jul 2002
    • 5372

    #31
    Re: True Pioneers of Rock

    I'm pretty certain that "Revolution #3"(or #6, the one with "the scream") is the definition of 'rock.'

    They started out as pop, but even that was rocking for the day when they came out. They wrote their own songs and played their own instruments, they were a rock band.

    Fresh Tendrils had it right: "I don't understand why people draw a line between pop and rock."

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    • Fresh Tendrils
      Strike Hard and Fade Away
      • Jul 2002
      • 36131

      #32
      Re: True Pioneers of Rock

      Revolution #9.



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      • CM1847
        Bacon
        • Jul 2002
        • 5372

        #33
        Re: True Pioneers of Rock

        Originally posted by Squint

        I guess someone should pose the question of when "pop" became an actual musical genre (the 80's?)? Certainly not when The Beatles were together. They were the epitome of rock during their time.
        I am pretty certain the Monkeys defined a "pop" band in the sense that people think of them today. They were recruited to fit roles based on looks, they didn't write their own songs and their biggest assest was to look good for teenage girls. They had some amazing songs because the songwriters they had were some of the best, but they were still a "pop" band by the new definition of the term.

        Of course a lot of Motown artists were similar in that they didn't write their own stuff.

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        • CM1847
          Bacon
          • Jul 2002
          • 5372

          #34
          Re: True Pioneers of Rock

          Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
          Revolution #9.
          No, that is the weird one. I'm talking about the one that is like #1 with a harder edge. I have the song but it doesn't have a number attached, I'm sure somebody knows. I want to say it is #3...

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          • Fresh Tendrils
            Strike Hard and Fade Away
            • Jul 2002
            • 36131

            #35
            Re: True Pioneers of Rock

            Also Elvis (in regards to when pop music started).



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            • CM1847
              Bacon
              • Jul 2002
              • 5372

              #36
              Re: True Pioneers of Rock

              Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
              Also Elvis (in regards to when pop music started).
              Good call, very true.

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              • Birdsonbat
                MVP
                • Feb 2003
                • 1003

                #37
                Re: True Pioneers of Rock

                Originally posted by CM1847
                No, that is the weird one. I'm talking about the one that is like #1 with a harder edge. I have the song but it doesn't have a number attached, I'm sure somebody knows. I want to say it is #3...
                Revolution, with no number, off the Hey Jude album is the version you are talking about.

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                • CM1847
                  Bacon
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5372

                  #38
                  Re: True Pioneers of Rock

                  Originally posted by Birdsonbat
                  Revolution, with no number, off the Hey Jude album is the version you are talking about.
                  That explains why the one I have doesn't have a number, thanks. I could have sworn it did have a number, oh well, thanks.

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                  • forensicd
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1565

                    #39
                    Re: True Pioneers of Rock

                    We can call groups that were "pop" before they was even a pop term. Its like when mozart composed, it wasnt called classical, but it is now. Same goes with other bands in different eras, like big band, etc. Beatles could surely rock, but early albums were made towards a certain audience; young, screaming girls. One only needs to look at songs like I want to hold your hand, Can't Buy Me Love, etc. From 62-68 or so, they played music that would sell records to the mass young kids. Once they had the cash, they could then explore songs they wanted to, and thats when we saw their genious. They are one of the few bands that could cross lines of pop/rock/psychodelic/folk/country and get away with it.
                    "Basketball may have been born in Massachusetts, but it grew up in Indiana." - James Naismith

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                    • GBrushTWood
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1624

                      #40
                      Re: True Pioneers of Rock

                      Before The Beatles exploded in 1962 and got Brian Epstein as their manager, they were not the clean, mop-toppy, suit wearing group. They toured Hamburg, Germany and played in dank, seedy, downright dirty clubs for 12 hours at a time, and cut their teeth doing that. They got hammered on stage (before they were even 20 IIRC), cussed and sweared at the audience, but played some kickass music.
                      It was at that time that they developed the talent that made them the greatest band in the world. Coincidentally, this was before Ringo even joined the band.

                      Once they met Brian Epstein, he got them to clean up their act, ditch the leather jackets, cut their hair, stop swearing on stage, etc. After this, they became marketable to the masses. I believe that Paul was down with the change, John was a little bit resistant because he didn't want to sell out, but I believe John wanted to become the greatest band in the world more than he didn't want to sell out. Can't remember how George felt about it. I believe this also happened before Ringo joined, not positive.

                      It's probably not a coincidence that The Beatles broke through with more of the clean cut image even though deep inside they were very non-conformist, so to speak. Even while they were still wearing the suits and had mop-top hair, they were not behaving as the prototypical pop band with their experimentation in the studio. They were constantly looking for something new, exciting, and fresh to deliver on their records, and it shows. After Help in 1965, they really officially ditched the goody-two shoes image for good. 1966 and Rubber Soul marked the beginning of them becoming "holy **** they are gawd like" territory. It is worth mentioning, however, that all of their pre Rubber Soul material is also fantastically kickass as well. It's just a bit different. There is a treasure trove of utterly phenomenal music from 1963-1965.

                      I got all this from reading The Beatles Anthology hardcover book. If you are obsessed with The Beatles like I am, you MUST read this book. It is phenomenal, as it is the entire story told by The Beatles themselves.
                      Last edited by GBrushTWood; 04-06-2006, 10:24 PM.

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                      • Scottdau
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 32580

                        #41
                        Re: True Pioneers of Rock

                        Originally posted by CM1847
                        I am pretty certain the Monkeys defined a "pop" band in the sense that people think of them today. They were recruited to fit roles based on looks, they didn't write their own songs and their biggest assest was to look good for teenage girls. They had some amazing songs because the songwriters they had were some of the best, but they were still a "pop" band by the new definition of the term.

                        Of course a lot of Motown artists were similar in that they didn't write their own stuff.
                        I don't agree totally with that, the Monkee were a knock off of the Beatles, sure the music is a little better, but old Beatles music was feel good, catchy jingles. Then later on they show their real talent! That is what most band do, they do what will get them a deal and then when they got it they branch out!

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                        • pk500
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 8062

                          #42
                          Re: True Pioneers of Rock

                          Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                          I was answering the quote about the Beatles being pop and not rock, so I assumed he was referring to their early work. I don't understand why people draw a line between pop and rock.
                          Using that definition, then I guess we should call rap and hip-hop pop, too. After all, those two genres dominate the Billboard charts, don't they?

                          Yeah, let's start calling all of the top rap and hip-hop artists pop artists. Then we'll sit back and wait for the uproar from fans of those genres.

                          Seriously, Eminem sold 16 bazillion records, didn't he? Doesn't that make him a pop artist?

                          Take care,
                          PK
                          Last edited by pk500; 04-07-2006, 09:10 AM.
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                          • pk500
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 8062

                            #43
                            Re: True Pioneers of Rock

                            Originally posted by Scottd
                            I don't agree totally with that, the Monkee were a knock off of the Beatles, sure the music is a little better, but old Beatles music was feel good, catchy jingles. Then later on they show their real talent! That is what most band do, they do what will get them a deal and then when they got it they branch out!
                            Don't forget that The Beatles stopped touring after 1966, so that really helped them progress as musicians. They could just hole up in the studio for a long, long time with producer George Martin and try all sorts of crazy stuff, not having to worry about going on the road for months at a time.

                            Take care,
                            PK
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