What's The 'Deepest' Thing 'Pac ever said???

[blazersin2k3]

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didn't the marshall mathers lp go like 11x plat?

[Cebby]

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didn't the marshall mathers lp go like 11x plat?

Worldwide. In America it's gone 9x. The only rap albums to go diamond in the US are Life After Death, Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em, and Hybrid Theory (if you want to count it). That's it.

[Kashanova]

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Great post and he's right Pac only sold 9 mil.

not a big pac fan but i think biggie said your nobody till somebody kills you

[SoMiss2000]

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Also, you will find many people who think Makaveli was a hotter album than AOEM. AOEM was another double album that should have been just 1 album. It was way bloated and really only had a few good songs imo.

Disk #2 of AEOM sucked, but just about every song on disk #1 was good.

[Graphik]

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I absolutely disagree...First, Big's first album was a monster smash before the beef with Pac and the second album would have been huge wven if he didnt die (Remember "Hypnotize" was a number 1 hit before Big died) His popularity had nothing to do with the beef with Pac.

Also, you will find many people who think Makaveli was a hotter album than AOEM. AOEM was another double album that should have been just 1 album. It was way bloated and really only had a few good songs imo.

Pac would have dropped Makaveli even if he didnt die because he was in a rush to get out of the Death Row contract and needed 3 more albums to do it.

You're forgetting one key fact, Big was apart of PDiddy's Bad Boy Camp. Name me one rapper who actually survived more than 3 albums. Yes, Big was Diddy's heart and soul but who knows how long that relationship would of lasted with Diddy's jerk-a-thon music business practices still in effect. Diddy would'nt be where he's at unless Big died. Pac put Big in the spotlight cause frankly, I know many ppl who did'nt even know who Big was until Pac dissed him.

Also, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Hypnotize from Life after Death dropped almost immediately following Bigs death. Not while he was living. I can still sort of remember them debuting it and commenting on how happy Big was at the time which made his death so tragic.

I agree about Makaveli, it was much better than AEOM. It should of been a one disc thing.

[Graphik]

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Ready to Die was already certified plat and Juicy a #1 single before the beef started and Big Poppa soon after. Life After Death is the highest selling rap album ever. Dude was pretty damned popular with or without 2Pac. Big actually had more top 10 singles than Pac. And Jay Z wouldn't have been popular without Pac? He'd have been popular anywhere with his catchy *** songs.

And Pac never sold 10 million albums. The only rappers to sell 10 million are Hammer and BIG, and by some stretch you could maybe include Linkin Park.

I mean, Pac was a great rapper, but saying that if he's not in your top 5 you need to rethink? Personal opinion dude. For every great song he has he has 2 more filler songs. Then again, I'm not a west coast guy.

I'm not a west coast guy ethier but dude has one hell of a cataloge. Did Jay even top the charts with any Reasonable Doubt song? I'm sure Big did with One More Change but I dont think Juicy made much noise outside of NYC. Only thing I renig on is Big being popular without Pacs help. As for Jay, I still dont think so and I'm a big Jigga fan.


Check it out, I found a 1996 Hot 100 from Billboard. Man, that was a nice year for music. Brings back memories.

1. Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix) - Los Del Rio
2. One Sweet Day - Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men
3. Because You Loved Me - Celine Dion
4. Nobody Knows - Tony Rich Project
5. Always Be My Baby - Mariah Carey
6. Give Me One Reason - Tracy Chapman
7. Tha Crossroads - Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
8. I Love You Always Forever - Donna Lewis
9. You're Makin' Me High / Let It Flow - Toni Braxton
10. Twisted - Keith Sweat
11. C'mon N' Ride It (The Train) - Quad City Dj's
12. Missing - Everything But The Girl
13. Ironic - Alanis Morissette
14. Exhale (Shoop Shoop) - Whitney Houston
15. Follow You Down / Til I Hear It From You - Gin Blossoms
16. Sittin' Up In My Room - Brandy
17. How Do U Want It / California Love - 2Pac
18. It's All Coming Back To Me Now - Celine Dion
19. Change The World - Eric Clapton
20. Hey Lover - LL Cool J
21. Loungin - LL Cool J
22. Insensitive - Jann Arden
23. Be My Lover - La Bouche
24. Name - Goo Goo Dolls
25. Who Will Save Your Soul - Jewel
26. Where Do You Go - No Mercy
27. I Can't Sleep Baby (If I) - R. Kelly
28. Counting Blue Cars - Dishwalla
29. You Learn / You Oughta Know - Alanis Morissette
30. One Of Us - Joan Osborne
31. Wonder - Natalie Merchant
32. Not Gon' Cry - Mary J. Blige
33. Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio
34. Only You - 112 Featuring The Notorious B.I.G.
35. Down Low (Nobody Has To Know) - R. Kelly
36. You're The One - SWV
37. Sweet Dreams - La Bouche
38. Before You Walk Out Of My Life / Like This And Like That - Monica
39. Breakfast At Tiffany's - Deep Blue Something
40. 1, 2, 3, 4 (Sumpin' New) - Coolio
41. The World I Know - Collective Soul
42. No Diggity - BLACKstreet (Featuring Dr. Dre)
43. Anything - 3t
44. 1979 - The Smashing Pumpkins
45. Diggin' On You - TLC
46. Why I Love You So Much / Ain't Nobody - Monica
47. Kissin' You - Total
48. Count On Me - Whitney Houston & Cece Winans
49. Fantasy - Mariah Carey
50. Time - Hootie & The Blowfish
51. You'll See - Madonna
52. Last Night - Az Yet
53. Mouth - Merril Bainbridge
54. The Earth, The Sun, The Rain - Color Me Badd
55. All The Things (Your Man Won't Do) - Joe
56. Wonderwall - Oasis
57. Woo-hah!! Got You All In Check / Everything Remains Raw - Busta Rhymes
58. Tell Me - Groove Theory
59. Elevators (Me & You) - Outkast
60. Hook - Blues Traveler
61. Doin It - LL Cool J
62. Fastlove - George Michael
63. Touch Me Tease Me - Case Featuring Foxxy Brown
64. Tonite's Tha Night - Kris Kross
65. Children - Robert Miles
66. Theme From Mission: Impossible - Adam Clayton & Larry Mullen
67. Closer To Free - Bodeans
68. Just A Girl - No Doubt
69. If Your Girl Only Knew - Aaliyah
70. Lady - D'angelo
71. Key West Intermezzo (I Saw You First) - John Mellencamp
72. Pony - Ginuwine
73. Nobody - Keith Sweat
74. Old Man & Me (When I Get To Heaven) - Hootie & The Blowfish
75. If It Makes You Happy - Sheryl Crow
76. As I Lay Me Down - Sophie B. Hawkins
77. Keep On, Keepin' On - Mc Lyte
78. Jealousy - Natalie Merchant
79. I Want To Come Over - Melissa Etheridge
80. Who Do U Love - Deborah Cox
81. Un-Break My Heart - Toni Braxton
82. This Is Your Night - Amber
83. You Remind Me Of Something - R. Kelly
84. Runaway - Janet Jackson
85. Set U Free - Planet Soul
86. Hit Me Off - New Edition
87. No One Else - Total
88. My Boo - Ghost Town Dj's
89. Get Money - Junior M.A.F.I.A.
90. That Girl - Maxi Priest Featuring Shaggy
91. Po Pimp - Do Or Die
92. Until It Sleeps - Metallica
93. Hay - Crucial Conflict
94. Beautiful Life - Ace Of Base
95. Back For Good - Take That
96. I Got Id / Long Road - Pearl Jam
97. Soon As I Get Home - Faith Evans
98. Macarena - Los Del Rio
99. Only Wanna Be With You - Hootie & The Blowfish
100. Don't Cry - Seal


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Something you all fail to realize is that, in the Music Industry, The RIAA recognizes 1 sale of a Double Album a 2 units.....therefore when AEOM sold 8+ Million, that means that 4 Million people bought it. Just facts, folks. Just facts.

Learn something new everyday.....

[aholbert32]

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You're forgetting one key fact, Big was apart of PDiddy's Bad Boy Camp. Name me one rapper who actually survived more than 3 albums. Yes, Big was Diddy's heart and soul but who knows how long that relationship would of lasted with Diddy's jerk-a-thon music business practices still in effect. Diddy would'nt be where he's at unless Big died. Pac put Big in the spotlight cause frankly, I know many ppl who did'nt even know who Big was until Pac dissed him.

Also, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Hypnotize from Life after Death dropped almost immediately following Bigs death. Not while he was living. I can still sort of remember them debuting it and commenting on how happy Big was at the time which made his death so tragic.

I agree about Makaveli, it was much better than AEOM. It should of been a one disc thing.

Hypnotize was out months before Big's death and I know this because at the party Big attended before he was shot they played Hypnotize and the crowd went wild. The video didnt drop until after his death but the song was a hit before that.

Also if people didnt know who Big was before he dissed him they either werent hip hop fans, never picked up a hip hop magazine from 93-96 or are lying.

Also, comparing Big to other Bad Boy artists is unfair. No other Bad Boy rapper had a huge first record like Big. If Big stayed alive, Diddy would be stupid to jerk his biggest artist out of publishing or points on a record. The reason why Diddy does it now is because he is the biggest rapper on his label so he doenst really need them.

[aholbert32]

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[QUOTE=Graphik]I'm not a west coast guy ethier but dude has one hell of a cataloge. Did Jay even top the charts with any Reasonable Doubt song? I'm sure Big did with One More Change but I dont think Juicy made much noise outside of NYC. Only thing I renig on is Big being popular without Pacs help. As for Jay, I still dont think so and I'm a big Jigga fan.


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Jay didnt top the charts until Hard Knock Life. Juicy and Big Poppa were top twenty songs though. I was in Atlanta at the time and those songs were huge down there.

[Graphik]

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Hypnotize was out months before Big's death and I know this because at the party Big attended before he was shot they played Hypnotize and the crowd went wild. The video didnt drop until after his death but the song was a hit before that.

Also if people didnt know who Big was before he dissed him they either werent hip hop fans, never picked up a hip hop magazine from 93-96 or are lying.

Also, comparing Big to other Bad Boy artists is unfair. No other Bad Boy rapper had a huge first record like Big. If Big stayed alive, Diddy would be stupid to jerk his biggest artist out of publishing or points on a record. The reason why Diddy does it now is because he is the biggest rapper on his label so he doenst really need them.

You gotta admit though, Ready to Die did'nt pick up much steam until One More Chance dropped. As for Puff...ahem, Diddy, he was jerking his artist before and after Big came along. If Jigga and Dame can split a highly successful relationship, Big and Diddy could of. I think Diddy's problem is he wanted to be the center of attention on his label despite that fact he has no rapping skills.

Speaking of Hypnotize, come to think of it, they played it alot at the afterparty on the day he was murdered. That may be what you meant cause I remember that lil tidbit myself.

I keep forgetting about when Pac blamed Big when he got shot those 5 times. This also could of played a significant part in Big's fame.

[Gilateen]

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I thought this thread was gonna have lyrics...BOOO!!!

"I wanna be a balla pleez,
but tha bitches & tha liquor keep on callin me"

"Before I let her get me, I got her
Went in her purse took a hundred dollars
***** I'm so Skandalouz"
2Pac - Skandalouz (All Eyez On Me - Disc 1)

Heres another good quote...

"I would share the defination of ballin with you white folks

BUT NO!"
2pac - Ballin (Thug Life)

[aholbert32]

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You gotta admit though, Ready to Die did'nt pick up much steam until One More Chance dropped. As for Puff...ahem, Diddy, he was jerking his artist before and after Big came along. If Jigga and Dame can split a highly successful relationship, Big and Diddy could of. I think Diddy's problem is he wanted to be the center of attention on his label despite that fact he has no rapping skills.

Speaking of Hypnotize, come to think of it, they played it alot at the afterparty on the day he was murdered. That may be what you meant cause I remember that lil tidbit myself.

I keep forgetting about when Pac blamed Big when he got shot those 5 times. This also could of played a significant part in Big's fame.

I'm not saying that they wouldnt have split eventually (everybody does) im just saying that he wouldnt have jerked Big like he did the Lox or G. Dep or Black Rob.

Who do you mean when you say that Puffy jerked artists before Big. Bad Boy's first three signings were Craig Mack, Big and 3rd Eye. 3rd Eye never dropped an album and Mack left because he didnt want to do that "shiny suit" **** that Mase and the Lox were doing for his second album. IMo, he didnt start jerking artists until he became a star.

[Cebby]

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You're forgetting one key fact, Big was apart of PDiddy's Bad Boy Camp. Name me one rapper who actually survived more than 3 albums. Yes, Big was Diddy's heart and soul but who knows how long that relationship would of lasted with Diddy's jerk-a-thon music business practices still in effect. Diddy would'nt be where he's at unless Big died. Pac put Big in the spotlight cause frankly, I know many ppl who did'nt even know who Big was until Pac dissed him.

Bad Boy fell apart after BIG died. They could ride the wave for a few years, but BIG was their only consistantly good artist of whom Bad Boy actually made albums. Puffy no longer had someone to ride and put all his eggs in one basket. His other rappers were LOX, Lil Kim, Mase, and... All were somewhat popular but not enough to carry a label. Then Mase and LOX disapeared until 2004/2005 and then disapeared again. Same thing happened to the west coast when Pac died. All the rappers who got by by just rapping with Pac no longer had that. Had Big have not died Bad Boy would have stayed on top for a while.

Personally, a huge part of Pac's popularity now is how good his music collection was handled in post death releases. Not a year goes by where you don't hear a nice song released either by him or with him in it. He gets remixes from top artists and the people featured in his post death songs either knew him and obviously fit well (Outlawz) or are top west coast artists. BIG on the other hand is unheard of nowadays. The best song he's featured on wasn't even a single (Victory 2004, the origonal was, but the remix is so much better).

[SoMiss2000]

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[QUOTE=aholbert32][QUOTE=Graphik]I'm not a west coast guy ethier but dude has one hell of a cataloge. Did Jay even top the charts with any Reasonable Doubt song? I'm sure Big did with One More Change but I dont think Juicy made much noise outside of NYC. Only thing I renig on is Big being popular without Pacs help. As for Jay, I still dont think so and I'm a big Jigga fan.

Jay didnt top the charts until Hard Knock Life. Juicy and Big Poppa were top twenty songs though. I was in Atlanta at the time and those songs were huge down there.

I still feel that Reasonable Doubt is Jay's best LP.

[aholbert32]

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I still feel that Reasonable Doubt is Jay's best LP.

Oh definently..it just wasnt a hit. The album didnt go certified platinum until a few years ago. Hard Knock Life wasnt a great album but it went 4x platinum.