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  • Tomahawk
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    • Feb 2005
    • 1593

    #31
    Re: World Trade Center

    I guess I get to be first to post about seeing it. I teach US History in a middle school and as a US History teacher I like to see movies about historical events. I thought the movie was very well done and for one of the first times I didn't really notice a political agenda in an Oliver Stone film. I think the movie captures one of the main themes to me of what happened during the attacks and that was the ability of people in this country to ban together during tragedy and overcome. I think there were many people living in the USA before the attacks who may have questioned our ability to come together.

    Without giving away any of the main story, I think the way they cut between parts showing the two trapped PAPD officers and parts showing their families was excellent and really pulled you in emotionally. Also, I think the way they portrayed the buildings being hit and falling was excellent because many of people are still very sensitive about seeing those things. I won't spoil it for those of you who plan to see it, but I think it was done in a very respectful manner because we all know what happens.

    Overall, I thought the movie was excellent and I would recommend it to anyone especially when you consider the heroes of the day are the focus of the story and not the evil that cause the tragedy.
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    • ddeweil

      #32
      Re: World Trade Center

      Originally posted by Tomahawk
      I guess I get to be first to post about seeing it. I teach US History in a middle school and as a US History teacher I like to see movies about historical events. I thought the movie was very well done and for one of the first times I didn't really notice a political agenda in an Oliver Stone film. I think the movie captures one of the main themes to me of what happened during the attacks and that was the ability of people in this country to ban together during tragedy and overcome. I think there were many people living in the USA before the attacks who may have questioned our ability to come together.

      Without giving away any of the main story, I think the way they cut between parts showing the two trapped PAPD officers and parts showing their families was excellent and really pulled you in emotionally. Also, I think the way they portrayed the buildings being hit and falling was excellent because many of people are still very sensitive about seeing those things. I won't spoil it for those of you who plan to see it, but I think it was done in a very respectful manner because we all know what happens.

      Overall, I thought the movie was excellent and I would recommend it to anyone especially when you consider the heroes of the day are the focus of the story and not the evil that cause the tragedy.
      I saw it last night with my wife, and I totally agree.

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      • nyisles16
        All Star
        • Apr 2003
        • 8317

        #33
        Re: World Trade Center

        thanks for the reviews guys.. for me, I want to see the movie, not only for the fact that this was an event that I saw unfold, but also as a way (sort of) to pay respects to those I knew who perished on that awful day..

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        • VanCitySportsGuy
          NYG_Meth
          • Feb 2003
          • 9351

          #34
          Re: World Trade Center

          The acting was good but there was something off about the film.

          I agree with reviewer Rob Vaux:
          "It may have been a day of bravery and courage, but that means nothing without recognizing the darkness too: darkness on our side as well as theirs, which has only grown stronger in the ensuing half decade. By avoiding that balancing act -- by minimizing the evil and thus devaluing the good -- World Trade Center becomes nothing more than cheap melodrama with a little pedigree. The dead deserve a better monument than that."

          By not even mentioning the terrorists or why 9/11 happened, the movie lacked depth. Before even reaching halfway through the film, I started to feel Will and John could have just been trapped miners buried in rubble.

          The movie had "Hollywood" written all over it. There was the obligatory flashback showing Will bonding with his son and then capturing his wife cracking a smile over it from a distance. It reeked of cheese.

          John and Will were both involved with the film so it was suppose to be authentic The dialogue once they were trapped didn’t seem to be authentic. In a situation like that, I’m sure F bombs would be flying all over the place. I don’t recall one swear word in the whole movie.

          I’m looking forward to the DVD. I hope there’s an in-depth interview with John and Will.

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          • Knight165
            *ll St*r
            • Feb 2003
            • 24964

            #35
            Re: World Trade Center

            Originally posted by asianflow
            The acting was good but there was something off about the film.

            I agree with reviewer Rob Vaux:
            "It may have been a day of bravery and courage, but that means nothing without recognizing the darkness too: darkness on our side as well as theirs, which has only grown stronger in the ensuing half decade. By avoiding that balancing act -- by minimizing the evil and thus devaluing the good -- World Trade Center becomes nothing more than cheap melodrama with a little pedigree. The dead deserve a better monument than that."

            By not even mentioning the terrorists or why 9/11 happened, the movie lacked depth. Before even reaching halfway through the film, I started to feel Will and John could have just been trapped miners buried in rubble.

            The movie had "Hollywood" written all over it. There was the obligatory flashback showing Will bonding with his son and then capturing his wife cracking a smile over it from a distance. It reeked of cheese.

            John and Will were both involved with the film so it was suppose to be authentic The dialogue once they were trapped didn’t seem to be authentic. In a situation like that, I’m sure F bombs would be flying all over the place. I don’t recall one swear word in the whole movie.

            I’m looking forward to the DVD. I hope there’s an in-depth interview with John and Will.

            Asianflow....if you and that reviewer agree...you are both missing EXACTLY what Oliver Stone wanted to do. He WANTED to make a movie that DID NOT bring politics and such into the film. This film was about these guys who went to work and got caught up in a world of ****.
            Maybe that is the movie Bob Vaux(whoever that dip**** is) should make when he gets the chance.
            The point is.....for those of us who responded to the Trade Center that day, I can almost assure you that NONE of us were thinking of politics. We were in shock and as the news of the deaths trickled to us....we got numb, but all the time we just wanted to search...hoping that we could get some people out. It was very disheartning to see stretchers lined up on Park Row at 10:00 that morning and see the same stretchers still there at 10:00 on the morning of the twelfth on the way back to my firehouse. I still wasn't thinking of politics on the way out of there.

            Typical B.S. is starting already.

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            • VanCitySportsGuy
              NYG_Meth
              • Feb 2003
              • 9351

              #36
              Re: World Trade Center

              Originally posted by Knight165
              Asianflow....if you and that reviewer agree...you are both missing EXACTLY what Oliver Stone wanted to do. He WANTED to make a movie that DID NOT bring politics and such into the film. This film was about these guys who went to work and got caught up in a world of ****.
              Maybe that is the movie Bob Vaux(whoever that dip**** is) should make when he gets the chance.
              The point is.....for those of us who responded to the Trade Center that day, I can almost assure you that NONE of us were thinking of politics. We were in shock and as the news of the deaths trickled to us....we got numb, but all the time we just wanted to search...hoping that we could get some people out. It was very disheartning to see stretchers lined up on Park Row at 10:00 that morning and see the same stretchers still there at 10:00 on the morning of the twelfth on the way back to my firehouse. I still wasn't thinking of politics on the way out of there.

              Typical B.S. is starting already.

              M.K.
              Knight165
              I know Stone didn't want to make it political.

              But without giving the story some sort of context, it took something away from the 2 main characters.

              I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across here. I know what I feel was wrong with the film, but I'm having some trouble expressing it in words.

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              • SportsTop
                The Few. The Proud.
                • Jul 2003
                • 6716

                #37
                Re: World Trade Center

                Originally posted by asianflow
                I know Stone didn't want to make it political.

                But without giving the story some sort of context, it took something away from the 2 main characters.

                I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across here. I know what I feel was wrong with the film, but I'm having some trouble expressing it in words.
                So would a film about a Hiroshima survivor have to go into why the bombing took place?

                We all know what happened on 9/11 and the events surrounding it. Presenting it in the movie isn't going to add anything more to what the intended meaning of the movie is supposed to be. A story of survival, coming together, and heroes.
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                • Jistic
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 16405

                  #38
                  Re: World Trade Center

                  Apparently more people went to see Step Up this weekend. THAT'S funny.
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                  • Brandwin
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 30621

                    #39
                    Re: World Trade Center

                    Originally posted by Jistic
                    Apparently more people went to see Step Up this weekend. THAT'S funny.
                    It is, but sadly im not surprised.

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                    • Pokes
                      Bearer of the curse
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 4538

                      #40
                      Re: World Trade Center

                      Originally posted by Squint
                      So would a film about a Hiroshima survivor have to go into why the bombing took place?

                      We all know what happened on 9/11 and the events surrounding it. Presenting it in the movie isn't going to add anything more to what the intended meaning of the movie is supposed to be. A story of survival, coming together, and heroes.
                      There is already a film about Hiroshima, came out 15 yrs ago. I wonder how well it did in Japan.

                      Edit: Here is the IMDB link to the movie

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                      • ddeweil

                        #41
                        Re: World Trade Center

                        Originally posted by asianflow
                        John and Will were both involved with the film so it was suppose to be authentic The dialogue once they were trapped didn’t seem to be authentic. In a situation like that, I’m sure F bombs would be flying all over the place. I don’t recall one swear word in the whole movie.

                        I’m looking forward to the DVD. I hope there’s an in-depth interview with John and Will.

                        I remember reading an interview where the guys said that they did talk about some of that stuff down there to keep their minds off of their pain. Also, I remember reading that they toned down some of the scenes (as opposed to what really happened) especially when they were outside the WTC and trapped because they wanted to keep it PG-13.

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                        • Jimplication
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 3591

                          #42
                          Re: World Trade Center

                          * Disclaimer: My post likely has spoilers in it. *

                          I saw the movie and ultimately wasn't that impressed.

                          It reminded me too much of Ladder 49, and that is not really a good thing. I don't think the movie brought the tragedy and uniqueness of the situation well enough into perspective; and too much of it was focused on the two trapped officers.

                          I also feel the movie was too positive overall. 9/11 was a tragedy in which many people were killed or injured; I believe only 20 or so people were rescued alive. Yet the movie has this positive vibe throughout, as if it isn't really about a tragedy, but instead the rescue of two firemen trapped somewhere, in a location that ultimately has no real connection to the events taking place. Granted, it's clear they are trapped under the collapsed trade centers, but they just as easily could have been trapped in a mine, or anywhere else underground.

                          To be fair, I think it's a very difficult movie to do. People that were directly affected by 9/11 do not want graphic footage of people being killed, maimed, and otherwise injured as the towers crash down. They also don't want the movie to be so real that it causes them to relapse into stress that they spent many years getting over. Granted, they would not be forced to go to this movie, but I think the director is obligated to practice restraint when creating a movie of this type.

                          The final impression the movie made on me was that it did not sufficiently capture the true loss this country suffered when the towers fell. The director tried to convey it at the end of the movie by throwing the text on screen with the numbers of fatalities, but ultimately I felt the movie was more about two men being lost in some rubble than about America losing as much as it did (human life, and otherwise) directly following the 9/11 attacks.

                          Lastly, I don't think Nicholas Cage should have been in the movie. His role being played by a lesser known actor would have assisted in taking the spotlight off the individual/celebrity, and put it more on the common man, which would have been much more believable and realistic than some fruitcake Hollywood celebrity acting like he can be a police officer in crisis situation based very heavily on reality.

                          As a brief aside, it was discouraging to have an entire row of high school level kids a few rows behind us that lacked respect to the point of treating the movie like it was a comedy.
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                          • RubenDouglas
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • May 2003
                            • 11202

                            #43
                            Re: World Trade Center

                            Originally posted by ddeweil
                            I remember reading an interview where the guys said that they did talk about some of that stuff down there to keep their minds off of their pain. Also, I remember reading that they toned down some of the scenes (as opposed to what really happened) especially when they were outside the WTC and trapped because they wanted to keep it PG-13.
                            which leads you to the oliver stone statement about how little kids can watch this movie and finally get an understanding of what went down. I can respect that in many regards. its like a pg13 factual report in a 7th grade textbook. maybe its because i lived through it and remember it. but I dont want kids to feel it was somehow nicer and calmer than it ever was. im sure many older people feel that way about the way reports and stories are printed in text books. they want EVERYTHING in there. i guess im looking at it the same way. maybe when i have kids, i'll feel that something even skewwed alittle is better than nothing

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                            • Knight165
                              *ll St*r
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 24964

                              #44
                              Re: World Trade Center

                              Jimplication;

                              Not to nitpick, but it's two trapped PORT AUTHORITY POLICE OFFICERS not fireman. I know a lot of P.O.'s get a little ticked at how much praise and recognition we get for our efforts at the Trade Center, so I figure I would do my part to make sure it goes the other way too.

                              I myself don't want to go to see the movie. I'd probably have to leave at some point(don't want anyone seeing me cry in public I guess) but I hear what you and asianflow are saying about it being subdued in scope. To be fair to Oliver Stone(I don't know why I would want to be!)....I think that was really what he was going for...but from what you guys are saying...it doesn't really work that well.
                              One of the guys in my firehouse lost his father(a Port Authority Police Officer) at the Trade Center and went to the premiere a couple of weeks ago. He's a young guy and was a teenager at the time of the attacks. He seemed okay with the film...but I feel for the kid...it's gotta be tough.

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                              - 37 Port Authority Police Officers
                              - 23 N.Y.P.D. Police Officers
                              - 8 E.M.S.
                              Killed in the line of duty on September 11th 2001.
                              RIP

                              M.K.
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                              • ObiWanJenkins

                                #45
                                Re: World Trade Center

                                Originally posted by Knight165

                                Just FYI
                                -343 F.D.N.Y.(RIP brothers )
                                - 37 Port Authority Police Officers
                                - 23 N.Y.P.D. Police Officers
                                - 8 E.M.S.
                                Killed in the line of duty on September 11th 2001.
                                RIP

                                M.K.
                                Knight165
                                God bless each and every one of them, their families, and their friends.

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