***LOST Official Season 3 Discussion**** (Contains West Coast spoilers)

[Money99]

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Okay, it looks like I was wrong about the whole "everything will be explained by science" bit.
There's a website devoted to Lost where someone got a chance to speak to the producers.
Here's a brief quote from it:

"DOC: Well, y’know one thing, getting back to theories for a second, one thing people think they have deviated on is that everything is supposed to be explainable in scientific terms and now with mind reading clouds and all these strange forces…
JEFF: Whoa. That was a big issue, and I had the opportunity to speak with Carlton and Damon about that, so I can put this to rest right now. I asked them and here is what they told me. That is absolutely not true, they don’t recall saying it, and if they did, they retract it. You know, when you think about it, to say "everything will be explained by science" is pretty vague, and the Lost fans who have embraced this quote seem to be interpretting and applying its sentiment in a very narrow way. Science allows for some pretty far-out stuff. For example: quantum physics allows for the existence of alternate realities. And Carl Jung speculated on something called "the synchronicity theory," which is basically the equivalent to George Lucas' notion of The Force. If the producers decide to "explain" the island with an alternate reality theory, or the interconnections between characters with "synchronicity," then surely they would be able to say that they upheld their "everything will be explained by science" pledge. Right? (Again, assuming they really did pledge something akin to that at one point.)

You can read the whole thing here:

http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-news/jeff-jensen-of-ew-talks-lost-p-1.php

I gotta say I'm a little bummed about this news. I don't want to hear about time ripples or any bullcrap like that. My interest was peaked when I heard that everything was explainable according to science.
Now that I know it's not, I look at the series in a whole new light. For all we know Luke Skywalker could run out of the forest and save everyone. Bummer.
I don't want to hear about ghosts, or aliens or some crappy science fiction bull crap. I know I'm probably in the minority saying that, but now that I know they can make up whatever they want, the show has lost some luster for me.

[Brandon13]

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Thanks for finding that. That doesn't bother me knowing that everything won't be explained by science but I can understand why that would bother some people. I was wondering how in the world they were going to explain the smoke monster by science.

[Money99]

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Thanks for finding that. That doesn't bother me knowing that everything won't be explained by science but I can understand why that would bother some people. I was wondering how in the world they were going to explain the smoke monster by science.

Or Jacob, or Desmonds visions or the fact that Desmond went back in time.

I'm still going to finish watching this show but I'm not going to be surprised if in the end, all the Hostiles are aliens from Gama Quandrant 5 of the Omega galaxy. They came to earth in their 4-toed, foot space ship and crashed on this island. Their pet 'smokey' ran off as did their prisoner, Jacob, who can turn himself invisible. But he can be contained if you make a circle of volcanic ash around him. Oh, and he hates technology. He'll go loco on your *** if he sees a flashlight.

[fistofrage]

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I will do my best to find it. I know that they said it on an interview once. I'll see what I can dig up.

You'd be suprised what can be explained by science. Michael Crichton(Sp?) did a pretty stellar job of explaining time travel through scientific theory in "Timeline". Just because science can explain it doesn't mean it exists today or that it will actually be believable, about the only thing that statement leaves out is the creation of something from nothing.

[fistofrage]

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You'd be suprised what can be explained by science. Michael Crichton(Sp?) did a pretty stellar job of explaining time travel through scientific theory in "Timeline". Just because science can explain it doesn't mean it exists today or that it will actually be believable, about the only thing that statement leaves out is the creation of something from nothing.

Dang you did alot of posting in the time it took me to read and post my little paragraph. So they retract the statement that everything can be explained by science. They better retract the statement where they said that they have not deviated from the original story line as well. Lost has the potential to turn out very Cheezy if they aren't careful.

[Chief Illinimac]

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It doesn't have to be absolutely realistic, but if everything weird going on on the island could be explained somewhat scientifically, it has a lot more interest from me. But when you open the floodgates of fantasy, it almost removes the mystery and the fun of guessing because all the mysterious stuff could be anything. For example, now the black smoke can simply just be a black smoke monster who takes pictures, changes form, and kills people.

[Money99]

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It doesn't have to be absolutely realistic, but if everything weird going on on the island could be explained somewhat scientifically, it has a lot more interest from me. But when you open the floodgates of fantasy, it almost removes the mystery and the fun of guessing because all the mysterious stuff could be anything. For example, now the black smoke can simply just be a black smoke monster who takes pictures, changes form, and kills people.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I loved Lost because I assumed everything could be explained through science or realistic concepts. But now they can make up anything to explain everything.
"Jacob? Oh, he's a ghost. Case closed".

[fistofrage]

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This is exactly what I was thinking. I loved Lost because I assumed everything could be explained through science or realistic concepts. But now they can make up anything to explain everything.
"Jacob? Oh, he's a ghost. Case closed".

I think that's what you will end up seeing. They don't have to explain everything, they will just move on to something else. In the end, I think you'll get an answer to who the others are and how everyone either got off the island or why they are still trapped there, but I already see them discrediting some of the earlier relationships between the characters and especially the numbers by saying they were just all by chance and coincidence.

If Desmond not pressing the button is the "definitive answer" why the plane crashed, then it is just all coincidence that these people are on the island together. Its just an unfortunate random act. If it wasn't these people who were lost, eventually, it would have been someone else. And because it was a random event, the Losties weren't "meant to be on the island". The writers have basically told us its bad luck.

The only person who I think is meant to be on this island is Desmond because I think Penny's dad had a hand in getting him there to keep him from Penny.

[Money99]

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I think that's what you will end up seeing. They don't have to explain everything, they will just move on to something else. In the end, I think you'll get an answer to who the others are and how everyone either got off the island or why they are still trapped there, but I already see them discrediting some of the earlier relationships between the characters and especially the numbers by saying they were just all by chance and coincidence.

If Desmond not pressing the button is the "definitive answer" why the plane crashed, then it is just all coincidence that these people are on the island together. Its just an unfortunate random act. If it wasn't these people who were lost, eventually, it would have been someone else. And because it was a random event, the Losties weren't "meant to be on the island". The writers have basically told us its bad luck.

The only person who I think is meant to be on this island is Desmond because I think Penny's dad had a hand in getting him there to keep him from Penny.

I'm beginning to think you're right. Like you said, why have they abandoned the numbers so quickly? It can't be just blind coincidence that the numbers on the hatch were used to win Hurely millions of dollars. And why did they bring him bad luck? All of these things have yet to be explained and by them ignoring the numbers completely in Season 3 makes me suspect that it's been tossed overboard.
I hope I'm wrong and I hope they do go back to this next year or at least before the show wraps up. But I have my doubts now.

In one article I read, the writers made a mention that they 'hope' they can give explanations to everything they've put in. That statement doesn't exude confidence to me.

[Lintyfresh85]

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woah what's with all this negativity guys? They haven't let you down yet so don't be negative nancys! Just enjoy the show!

[fistofrage]

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woah what's with all this negativity guys? They haven't let you down yet so don't be negative nancys! Just enjoy the show!

Well, Season 2 was a letdown, and I think I may be one of the only ones that thought the finale to season 3 was rather poor.

But, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and continue to watch the show. I just really hope they go back and touch on the numbers. The numbers were way too much of a focus point in season 1 to just simply cast them off, if they do, then basically season 1 & 2 would be a waste.

[CMH]

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If Desmond not pressing the button is the "definitive answer" why the plane crashed, then it is just all coincidence that these people are on the island together. Its just an unfortunate random act. If it wasn't these people who were lost, eventually, it would have been someone else. And because it was a random event, the Losties weren't "meant to be on the island". The writers have basically told us its bad luck.

The show seems to be based on choice vs. destiny.

It's probable that Desmond's "choice" to not push the button on time is part of his and the Losties destiny.

Yes, it was a random event, but for those people to be involved in that random event could be their destiny.

I think there's still too much gray area in that respect and I honestly don't think we'll ever get an answer to something like this. I don't think the producers/writers want to answer the question "choice or destiny". I think they prefer that both waver in and out of the show allowing the viewer to decide what they rather believe in.

[fistofrage]

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The show seems to be based on choice vs. destiny.

It's probable that Desmond's "choice" to not push the button on time is part of his and the Losties destiny.

Yes, it was a random event, but for those people to be involved in that random event could be their destiny.

I think there's still too much gray area in that respect and I honestly don't think we'll ever get an answer to something like this. I don't think the producers/writers want to answer the question "choice or destiny". I think they prefer that both waver in and out of the show allowing the viewer to decide what they rather believe in.

Yes, I understand the choice vs. destiny angle, but I would then have to question why they took so much time focusing on the numbers. Some things are so coincidental they appear to be destiny.....Bust having Hurley's Lottery numbers matching the numbers on the hatch, the numbers for the system entry, etc. Thats way over the top, if they want to pawn that off as accidental coincidence.

If you get a chance, go back and watch these shows in sequence, one episode a night. And you will be thinking to yourself, they really wasted alot of episodes. So while the writing may be good when you look at each episode individually, the writing that got us from point A to point B to point X where we are now, has been less than spectacular and if they don't revisit some of the key points in season 1 like the numbers and Ethan's super villain strength, the credibility of this show will be Lost.

[ehh]

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If you get a chance, go back and watch these shows in sequence, one episode a night. And you will be thinking to yourself, they really wasted alot of episodes. So while the writing may be good when you look at each episode individually, the writing that got us from point A to point B to point X where we are now, has been less than spectacular and if they don't revisit some of the key points in season 1 like the numbers and Ethan's super villain strength, the credibility of this show will be Lost.

I've always said it will be very interesting to go back and watch LOST again once the series is complete. I'm going to get a pad & pen and write down every question raised in each season and see how many actually go unanswered. Hell, someone has probably done that already on one of these obsessive sites.

[CMH]

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Yes, I understand the choice vs. destiny angle, but I would then have to question why they took so much time focusing on the numbers. Some things are so coincidental they appear to be destiny.....Bust having Hurley's Lottery numbers matching the numbers on the hatch, the numbers for the system entry, etc. Thats way over the top, if they want to pawn that off as accidental coincidence.

If you get a chance, go back and watch these shows in sequence, one episode a night. And you will be thinking to yourself, they really wasted alot of episodes. So while the writing may be good when you look at each episode individually, the writing that got us from point A to point B to point X where we are now, has been less than spectacular and if they don't revisit some of the key points in season 1 like the numbers and Ethan's super villain strength, the credibility of this show will be Lost.

I agree that they concentrated on the numbers for too long, but I wonder if that had more to do with an unknown end date than a reason to keep us hanging in the storyline.

I think they had to milk the buttons because they didn't know if they should move faster down the chain.

The buttons weren't exactly unimportant. Not pressing them caused the crash and not pressing them again might have been the sole reason they could be saved from the Island.

I think the whole coincidence thing with the numbers was more novelty and easter egg so that you could feel some connection with them in the outside world and flashbacks. But, I don't think they ever intended for them to be extremely serious until the mystery really unraveled.

We know that the numbers were part of the Valenzetti Equation to save mankind. I can assume Lost will answer who the DHARMA Initiative is and within that answer they'll reveal the Equation and the numbers.

But, looking for a meaning outside of the fact that the numbers exist because they just exist is going to end up with disappointment.