Heroes (NBC, Mondays @ 9PM)

[Rainey]

Re: Heroes (NBC, Mondays @ 9PM)

Who freaking loved the limited commercial breaks? It's great to watch an "hour long" show on a network and the actual playtime be 50+ minutes.

[JayBee74]

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Who freaking loved the limited commercial breaks? It's great to watch an "hour long" show on a network and the actual playtime be 50+ minutes.

I didn't notice that.

[MassNole]

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I dunno the production values of the show look extremely costly.

Doesn't NBC own the Sci-Fi Network?

I watched the pilot yesterday and honestly I thought it was god awful. I know it takes time to build up characters, but nonetheless I hated it. I may watch episode two, but if the old TV addage is true that the best episode a show will ever is its pilot, this show will be off the air by January.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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but if the old TV addage is true that the best episode a show will ever is its pilot, this show will be off the air by January.

How many shows it that true for though? I can't think of any where I like the pilot more than any episode that came after.

[CMH]

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but if the old TV addage is true that the best episode a show will ever is its pilot, this show will be off the air by January.

Who told you that? That's a terrible addage.

Pilot episodes are designed to build interest. So, if it didn't I can understand why you wouldn't be interested in the rest of the show. But, to hear that it's usually the best episode of a show is pretty ridiculous.

I'd be willing to bet that fans of shows going 5+ seasons strong have never even seen the pilot episode.

[SPTO]

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but if the old TV addage is true that the best episode a show will ever is its pilot, this show will be off the air by January.

First of all, i'm glad I only missed the Pilot so I won't be completely lost when I watch it next week!

Anyhow I have to ask where you found this adage because i've never heard it before and it sounds completely wrong. Pilots are meant to establish the characters, give the viewer a sense of what the show is going to be about and the overall tone of the show. Sometimes the pilot is completely off in tone from the way we remember shows. I'll give two examples:

The Simpsons: Now that show had a HOOORIBLE pilot. You could see the germination of what was to come but that's mostly from hindsight. The animation was way off and the character voices were also off model. The episode itself was cute but if the Simpsons had continued in that vein it would've been dead by season 3.

Seinfeld: I've only seen the pilot once or twice but as I recall it was done very much in the style of the typical sitcom and not the irreverent "show about nothing" style. Who'd know from watching the pilot that it would be one of the best comedy series of the decade.

Also Star Trek had not one, but TWO! Pilots.

Anyhow i'm going to give this show a shot next monday.

[MassNole]

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I don't recall where I picked it up but I know I read it somewhere, maybe in a magazine like Entertainment Weekly, maybe in TV Guide.

Now some shows where the pilot was the best of the litter off the very top of my head.

1. The O.C.
   Great pilot, but within 1.5 years the show was total crap.
2. One Tree Hill
   Again a really good pilot, but unfortunately they really bastardized the pilot by episode 2, and like The OC this show has turned into total crap.
3. Prison Break
   This may be personal preference, but the pilot was amazing and my IMO the best episode. I am highly disappointed by Season 2.
4. Conviction
   The pilot made me think this show would be around 5+ years and was widely acclaimed. The show was off the air within 13 episodes, nuff said.

Those are four off the top of my head. Maybe Heroes gets better and I will give it another shot next week as well, but I won't be surprised when the show is off the air before February sweeps.

[aukevin]

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SPTO, you can watch the whole pilot here: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/

Check it out!

[SPTO]

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SPTO, you can watch the whole pilot here: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/

Check it out!

You mock me with your americanism man



Sometimes it sucks to be Canadian. Don't worry i'll just pick it up from episode 2.

[aukevin]

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You mock me with your americanism man



Sometimes it sucks to be Canadian. Don't worry i'll just pick it up from episode 2.

What? You can't get to that site in Canada, seriously? That sucks.

[neovsmatrix]

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I don't recall where I picked it up but I know I read it somewhere, maybe in a magazine like Entertainment Weekly, maybe in TV Guide.

Now some shows where the pilot was the best of the litter off the very top of my head.

1. The O.C.
   Great pilot, but within 1.5 years the show was total crap.
2. One Tree Hill
   Again a really good pilot, but unfortunately they really bastardized the pilot by episode 2, and like The OC this show has turned into total crap.
3. Prison Break
   This may be personal preference, but the pilot was amazing and my IMO the best episode. I am highly disappointed by Season 2.
4. Conviction
   The pilot made me think this show would be around 5+ years and was widely acclaimed. The show was off the air within 13 episodes, nuff said.

Those are four off the top of my head. Maybe Heroes gets better and I will give it another shot next week as well, but I won't be surprised when the show is off the air before February sweeps.

That's funny, I thought Prison Break's pilot, while interesting had nothing close to the tension found midway through the season. As far as I'm concerned the best part of the season was near the end of the first half of season 1. Season 2's pretty decent in my view, but that's my opinion. I never thought of Prison Break as anything more than fun. Some of it's totally off-the-wall and not very well executed. The conspiracy subplot seems really cheesy to me, but the ingenuity of the characters and the predicaments they get into is enough to keep the suspense going and keep me entertained.

I can't think of many shows that have had their best episodes as the pilot, and whoever claims that the pilot is generally the best episode of the entire show, and it all goes downhill from there, I would say he has no idea what he's talking about; I find that to be far from my personal experience from watching TV shows.

[eXperiment63]

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A show that had one of the best pilots ever.. and has just continuously gotten better: The Shield!

[ExtremeGamer]

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A show that had one of the best pilots ever.. and has just continuously gotten better: The Shield!

Agreed, best pilot show of all time.

I though Heroes was ok, nothing special, but I will continue to give it a chance.

[eXperiment63]

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I liked it. I think it will turn out to be a pretty cool show. Kinda like a reality version of x-men. Just plain-clothes people who can do extroardinary things... Nobody wearing masks or patent leather outfits. ;P

I think Ali Larter's character is going to grow into a super-villian. Her reflection just seemed to get too much of a thrill out of the things that transpired.

[Flyboy]

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Conviction
The pilot made me think this show would be around 5+ years and was widely acclaimed. The show was off the air within 13 episodes, nuff said.

*yawns* Conviction was a fantastic show -- not the show's fault that NBC quickly gave it the axe.

Oh, and the Pilot for Conviction wasn't even that impressive.