Heroes (NBC, Mondays @ 9PM)

[JohnnytheSkin]

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I am going to throw one from left field...how do we know someone didn't come and drag Sylar down into the sewer?

Actually that makes a lot of sense! Someone on the evil side must have been watching him (the uber-baddie or someone else).

[Beantown]

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It did look a lot like he had been dragged, more-so than he had dragged himself. The blood pool was incredibly straight for Sylar to have crawled down himself.

Plus the whole..snail/leech thing that came out of the sewer...

[neovsmatrix]

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I understand what you're saying but at the same time, it's not like this show has gone above and beyond to stick to realism.
- How is it that Sylar could suddenly move even though Hiro stopped time (while at Sylar's mothers house)? But then suddenly he was powerless to stop Hiro from stabbing him despite the fact that he was given full warning what was about to happen.
- How it is that Hiro is suddenly a warrior after playing lightsabers with his dad for an hour?
- Why didn't they just shove a stick into peter's brain or even shoot him to make him stop from exploding?
- Why doesn't Peter at least try to paint more so they have a clearer picture of the future?

I really, really like this show, but there are so many holes in the writing at times it makes me laugh.
That's why I'm saying it's not out of the realm of possiblities that Nathan survived this. And nobody here knows how far up they flew. It could have only been a few 10000 miles high. Maybe Nathan has the bone and muscle structure to travel at high distances and speeds?
Regardless, we can't force one situation to abide by the law of physics but then shrug off so many other 'super acts' as believable despite denying those same laws. (ie, Candace not taking her true form once knocked out.)

Actually, while there a lot of holes in the story, I think I can answer some of these pretty well. Hiro was so nervous about killing Sylar he began to lose focus, and thus, Sylar was able to "unfreeze". That's the explanation given by the creators, and that works for me. Hiro's concentration has to be pretty intense in order to stop space/time, and if it wanders much, it becomes a problem for him to maintain that frozen state.

As for Sylar being powerless to stop Hiro, he WASN'T. He expected Hiro to make his move. In fact, Sylar was playing them all at that point. He was able to absorb Hiro's blow and make it look fatal, yet it clearly wasn't. He was pretty much a passive participant in triggering Peter's explosion, and he wanted it to be Peter who would explode. Remember, Ando pretty much tipped him off by yielding the comic to him when he tried to kill Sylar. Isaac ultimately failed to tip off the heroes on how Sylar can be killed, and he ended up tipping Sylar off on how he was supposed to die.

As for Peter painting more, what else was he going to paint? He saw how ugly the future was from what he already painted. How often are you going to paint the same scenario? He was convinced it was going to happen, and painting the same thing over and over again as a check on what was going to happen could be pretty disheartening. It's not so for Sylar, since he WANTS the explosion to happen and for him to be able to take advantage of it. That's why Peter doesn't paint that often, yet Sylar continually does to make sure of the future. Peter wants to avert it, while Sylar wants to make it happen.

And it was Peter's plan for someone to kill him if he couldn't control his power. Yet, Claire and Bennett couldn't do that. For Claire, the reason was Peter was her uncle, and he was a good guy. She couldn't kill him, especially when he saved her life. She hesitated. Bennett was knocked to the ground by Sylar before he could act. IMHO, it would have sucked if Peter did die a permanent death.

I'm actually hoping Nathan's alive, I like the brotherly dynamic between Peter and Nathan. However, I doubt it, because it doesn't seem like he could survive.

And there's no indication that Hiro is really a "warrior". He was just given enough confidence from that training session with his father to go out and do what was necessary. He has maybe some skill, but again, it isn't he like he was an expert swordsman at the end. The only thing that really changed was his confidence and his determination to change the future.

There's a lot that's really spotty in the writing. It's a great show, but the writing isn't nearly airtight, nor do I expect it to be. As long as there aren't any GLARING logical inconsistencies, IMHO, it's no big deal.

[aukevin]

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I was a bit surprised that Hiro killed Sylar, or at least tried to. Hiro isn't really like the other guys on the show, he understands the "super-hero" philosophy or at least I thought he did. Because of that I was surprised that he felt it was ok to take the law in his own hands and kill someone. Usually someone with less heroic ideals do that and now that innocence that I liked in Hiro is gone.

[neovsmatrix]

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Loved the episode (real original statement, huh ), and can't wait for Season Two...especially since 'LOST' won't be back until spring.


-Charles was a great addition, and him seeing Peter was a jaw dropper. Good to see that Peter does have that time travel power from meeting Hiro. Can't wait to get more history on his generation of heroes.




-I still don't get why Peter couldn't squelch the "bomb" though as he did twice prior.

Well, I think it's obvious that Peter has the potential to time travel like Hiro (he is, after all, the max potential, he can duplicate any ability of any hero he comes into contact with). But I don't think that he time traveled the way Hiro does. I think his time travel was more like when he traveled into the future and realized he was the bomb when he blacked out first. That's why when Bennet raises him from his sleep you see he's being affected in his own consciousness as well, in that past time period. His body remains in the present, it's his consciousness that traveled back in time.

As for Peter being able to squelch the "bomb" like before, it's because he's absorbing ALL of Sylar's powers at the same time. Before, he only had to contend with the exploding power, but he's absorbing all of Sylar's powers since they last met, including the exploding power. It was too much power too quickly. And so he was losing it. At least, that's my interpretation. And I think Sylar knew this was going to happen, and he knew he was nothing more than a passive trigger for it to happen. What I wonder about is how he expected to even survive his own "explosion" or Peter's "explosion" since he doesn't have regenerative ability or the ability to teleport or anything. Sylar is actually very limited compared to Peter, though he seems like such a powerful villain on his own.

[neovsmatrix]

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I was a bit surprised that Hiro killed Sylar, or at least tried to. Hiro isn't really like the other guys on the show, he understands the "super-hero" philosophy or at least I thought he did. Because of that I was surprised that he felt it was ok to take the law in his own hands and kill someone. Usually someone with less heroic ideals do that and now that innocence that I liked in Hiro is gone.

Actually, it's still there. Things aren't black and white in Heroes, and Hiro comes to realize that. That doesn't mean he loses his innocence, though. He hesitated once, and it cost him, he knew he couldn't hesitate again, he had to do his duty, and "killing" Sylar was his duty. And it wasn't like a merciless action, he had to steel himself to do it, and I think that afforded Sylar the ability to "fake" his death or at least to survive that blow.

I think both Hiro and Peter have the superhero ideals. They're both innocent in their own way, both idealistic, yet they both struggle to come to grips with their duties. I don't think Peter has ever killed anyone in the show either (aside from possibly in the future, like Future Hiro).

[neovsmatrix]

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Why do we have to assume that Nathan's dead?
It is possible that he threw Peter at the moment of explosion and then flew the heck out of there.

It's possible, it's just not likely. And I think the writers intended for that scene to have real emotional import, so having Nathan survive would seem less likely for them to do. I don't think it'd be cheesy, but it would be a bit of a copout. I think Nathan's heroic act in a way puts closure between Nathan and Peter's relationship in a way. It's a passing of the torch to Peter, for Peter to realize his own strength by seeing Nathan's sacrifice. With no Nathan around, Peter becomes who he was meant to be, no longer living under the shadow, seemingly inferior to Nathan.

[trobinson97]

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. What I wonder about is how he expected to even survive his own "explosion" or Peter's "explosion" since he doesn't have regenerative ability or the ability to teleport or anything. Sylar is actually very limited compared to Peter, though he seems like such a powerful villain on his own.

Telekinetic shield maybe? Eh, Jean Grey and Cable do it lol.

I guess the HD DVD Season One will be the impetus for the 360 add-on, since the Matrix set will come out on Blu-ray later in the year. Should be great w/o the compression grain of cable!

Yeah, same here, time to go ahead and get it.

[gschwendt]

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After reading through some of the comics on NBC today, I finally realized why Sylar has better ability to control his powers... because he killed Hiro's favorite waitress in Texas. She had the ability to learn and remember things very quickly...

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in the web comic, after Sylar kills the waitress, he has to learn how to drive a Semi to escape Texas. He quickly reads a manual and is off and running.



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[CPMax]

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Remember also that Sylar's initial power it to inherently know how things work. Sylar probably much less training than Peter does with his powers, because he inherently understands how to use them.

In a way, it actually makes him stronger than Peter. Peter may have a bigger repetoire of abilities, but he has to train with them and like we saw in previous episodes and the finale, he sometimes is unable to control them.

[neovsmatrix]

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Remember also that Sylar's initial power it to inherently know how things work. Sylar probably much less training than Peter does with his powers, because he inherently understands how to use them.

In a way, it actually makes him stronger than Peter. Peter may have a bigger repetoire of abilities, but he has to train with them and like we saw in previous episodes and the finale, he sometimes is unable to control them.

Except, you would think that Peter would have absorbed Sylar's "power" to know how things work, and thus negate that supposed edge. Unless Sylar's ability is purely on an intellectual basis, then he maintains the edge. But if it's a "power" then Peter should have it too.

I had made that point earlier about Sylar being stronger than Peter in that way, but in the end, he is still more limited than Peter is. Peter has much greater potential, while Sylar can actualize a lot of that potential better than Peter can at this stage. And even so, we were told that Sylar's ability to know things was a "power", one that Peter should have absorbed.

As for Sylar's murder of the waitress and gain of her power to memorize things, that's not helpful with powers that he absorbs. It's useful in more practical, real-world applications, but definitely not with powers. That's where his own power truly comes in handy. The powers he absorbs don't come with a manual, nor are they really memory-based in terms of how to manipulate them.

[DaveDQ]

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I am going to throw one from left field...how do we know someone didn't come and drag Sylar down into the sewer?

Could it have to do with the person Molly can't locate? Remember she says when she tries, he sees her?

[Spongedaddy]

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Could it have to do with the person Molly can't locate? Remember she says when she tries, he sees her?

That's what I was thinking. Someone else pointed out there was a creepy leech thing where Sylar went down the hole. I forgot about that and think it lends credence to the idea.

[Goffs]

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that was a roach...

[JayBee74]

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After getting somewhat bored with Heroes early on I caught the last two episodes and really enjoyed them. The Nathan character is too dynamic to lose and I predict they will somehow bring him back in Season 2.