Heroes (NBC, Mondays @ 9PM)

[Shaver]

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Why do we have to assume that Nathan's dead?
It is possible that he threw Peter at the moment of explosion and then flew the heck out of there.

Two reasons...

1) It would make it completely cheesy for him to not be dead. It would completely take away from the impact of that moment.

2) Nathan has the ability to fly... not ability to survice being that high up in the air. I believe the implication is that he flew Peter far enough/high enough for him to safely explode. Odds are, flying that high could, would and should kill him. Remember, these aren't Superheroes that can miraculously breathe where there is no oxygen. They are humans with gifts.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Two reasons...

1) It would make it completely cheesy for him to not be dead. It would completely take away from the impact of that moment.

2) Nathan has the ability to fly... not ability to survice being that high up in the air. I believe the implication is that he flew Peter far enough/high enough for him to safely explode. Odds are, flying that high could, would and should kill him. Remember, these aren't Superheroes that can miraculously breathe where there is no oxygen. They are humans with gifts.

I do think he's dead, but we haven't seen the last of him. I almost want to believe that part of that future is coming true that Hiro saw. Sylar could still become the president somehow.

[LetsGoBucs]

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Two reasons...

1) It would make it completely cheesy for him to not be dead. It would completely take away from the impact of that moment.

2) Nathan has the ability to fly... not ability to survice being that high up in the air. I believe the implication is that he flew Peter far enough/high enough for him to safely explode. Odds are, flying that high could, would and should kill him. Remember, these aren't Superheroes that can miraculously breathe where there is no oxygen. They are humans with gifts.

I totally agree with point #1.

But with point #2, Peter could have absorbed Nathan's ability to fly and kept going himself, and let Nathan fly off on his own. Just a thought as to how Nathan can survive...

[Shaver]

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I think we have to accept the fact that Peter could not fly because he was controlling the explosion issue. I think you have to give them that suspension of disbelief or the whole thing doesn't work.

[LetsGoBucs]

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I completely agree, just thinking of ways that perhaps Nathan survived.

[Goffs]

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Count me in on the camp that thought the ending sucked. There was no point in Nathan flying Peter away when a bullet from Claire would have prevented the explosion and Peter could have healed back after the bullet was taken out. As long as they want Peter on the show still, I see him landing like a meteorite and regenerating. Nathan's move was just pointless and Sylar living was a bit of a letdown as well.

wow i never thought of that...that bullet in the heart would stop him from exploding since blacking out seemed to control his power...

but then again i dont think Claire ever shot a gun before and ol' pete would be riddled with bullets without dying then BOOM!

i liked the ending ...i agree that Sylar living was a bit of a letdown but then again it would be cool if Sylar meets up with this new supervillain thats worse than him.....

[gschwendt]

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How did Claire take out Ted when he exploded in her house? Couldn't she just have done that again? I believe it was as simple as a tranquilizer dart or something.
I'm not saying... hey, we're in trouble, where can I go find a tranquilizer dart but rather when Peter suggests shooting him, she could say 'hey, I stopped this Ted guy once... maybe I could do the same to you'

[johnny_park]

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-- Richard Roundtree stepping into the role of Charles for a 5 minute stint seems out of place if we are not going to see that character again. I think you'll see him next year in the past.

I think Richard Roundtree was the same guy that played Charles in the first couple of episodes. I agree about seeing him again in the past.

[Beantown]

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Great finale, in my opinion.

-Sylar lived which is awesome. Easily my favorite character on the show, so I'm glad there's a good possibility he'll be back for more.

-Nathan has to be dead, or else that entire ending loses any ounce of emotional power it had. The whole point was Nathan sacrificing himself to save everyone else, so if he survives that it completely ruins the entire ending to me.

-The new villain should be sweet, whomever he is.

-Agree on the whole Hiro's dad is that great, immortal samurai guy that Hiro looked up to. That really looked like Hiro's dad under that mask. As for the point about it never being hinted at...that is completely wrong. The hints were subtle. Hiro's dad knew every story about that great samurai, is a master with a sword, says he has been waiting a long time for a Nakamura to step up, etc. Those are all hints that he has been around for quite some time.

-DL should have died.

-The Peter/Sylar fight could have been a lot better, but I really didn't think it was going to be as big as people wanted. They were building up to an emotional ending, not some super-huge battle.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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Loved the episode (real original statement, huh ), and can't wait for Season Two...especially since 'LOST' won't be back until spring.

Some notes:

-Nathan has to be dead, and his mother is a real *****! She must have like a muse-like "inspiration" power, since Nathan repeated a totally canned statement when she told him that "it has to happen". Not quite like Eden's "persuasion" power, but close...

-Charles was a great addition, and him seeing Peter was a jaw dropper. Good to see that Peter does have that time travel power from meeting Hiro. Can't wait to get more history on his generation of heroes.

-Molly saying that the other guy was worse than the Boogeyman, and that he could see her when she thought of him was chilling!

-I'm finally glad that Nikki squared her hulk personality, though I think it should have happened a LONG time ago!

-I hope Parkman isn't dead, as I liked his character. DL is hit or miss. Since he'll live, I hope they do more with him.

-The look between Micah and Molly was great as he got the elevator working!

-I still think Peter will have the scar when he lands...somewhere!

-Ando is probably gone for good. He helped Hiro achieve his goal, save the world, and harness his true power and destiny, and thus, has no purpose left.

-I think the name Noah wasn't significant, just fan service, so that we don't have to call him Mr. Bennett for the duration of the show (though it could be meaningful in the Biblical sense, as Noah brought the animals to himself and Bennett can bring the heroes together)

-The flashes in Sylar's eyes were sweet, and who knows what new powers he'll find before he's back or who'll nurture him back to health. The face-off was weak though, as mentioned.

-I still don't get why Peter couldn't squelch the "bomb" though as he did twice prior.


I guess the HD DVD Season One will be the impetus for the 360 add-on, since the Matrix set will come out on Blu-ray later in the year. Should be great w/o the compression grain of cable!

[Money99]

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Two reasons...

1) It would make it completely cheesy for him to not be dead. It would completely take away from the impact of that moment.

2) Nathan has the ability to fly... not ability to survice being that high up in the air. I believe the implication is that he flew Peter far enough/high enough for him to safely explode. Odds are, flying that high could, would and should kill him. Remember, these aren't Superheroes that can miraculously breathe where there is no oxygen. They are humans with gifts.

I understand what you're saying but at the same time, it's not like this show has gone above and beyond to stick to realism.
- How is it that Sylar could suddenly move even though Hiro stopped time (while at Sylar's mothers house)? But then suddenly he was powerless to stop Hiro from stabbing him despite the fact that he was given full warning what was about to happen.
- How it is that Hiro is suddenly a warrior after playing lightsabers with his dad for an hour?
- Why didn't they just shove a stick into peter's brain or even shoot him to make him stop from exploding?
- Why doesn't Peter at least try to paint more so they have a clearer picture of the future?

I really, really like this show, but there are so many holes in the writing at times it makes me laugh.
That's why I'm saying it's not out of the realm of possiblities that Nathan survived this. And nobody here knows how far up they flew. It could have only been a few 10000 miles high. Maybe Nathan has the bone and muscle structure to travel at high distances and speeds?
Regardless, we can't force one situation to abide by the law of physics but then shrug off so many other 'super acts' as believable despite denying those same laws. (ie, Candace not taking her true form once knocked out.)

[Shaver]

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I see your points...

On the one though, the Hiro learning the sword, we don't know how long that took. Remember, he bends time. Think of Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey... they went back in time to spend years learning to play their instruments so that they could rock in the present. Who knows how long Hiro and his Dad were in that room and if time was moving elsewhere for the entire time.

[aholbert32]

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I see your points...

On the one though, the Hiro learning the sword, we don't know how long that took. Remember, he bends time. Think of Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey... they went back in time to spend years learning to play their instruments so that they could rock in the present. Who knows how long Hiro and his Dad were in that room and if time was moving elsewhere for the entire time.

Also it wasnt like Hiro used those skills against Sylar. He basically just ran at him with the sword. Its the same thing I would do and I have no training.

[Spongedaddy]

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I am going to throw one from left field...how do we know someone didn't come and drag Sylar down into the sewer?

[Shaver]

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Very true.