Jay-Z: Kingdom Come

[Nivek]

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I've listened to this album 5 times now..I still don't like it much. Black album was way better...

[ehh]

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dre saved this album

That statement worries me.

[Streets]

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I think that this album is decent, but very forgetable. It's good but I expected more for this big KONY comeback and save the hip-hop world album. I like Minority Report, Places We Can Go, Show Me What You Got, Kingdom Come and Beach Chair... the latter two being in the upper echelon of Jay songs. This album does not even come close to The Black Album imo, and definately is not in the same stratosphere as Jay-Z classics like Blueprint, RD, and Vol. 1.

As far as Nas goes, he's my favorite MC, and I have been fiending for his album for awhile. I just hope that he's not soley rapping about how hip-hop today sucks, which is what I am gathering by the title Hip-Hop is Dead.

What Jay (and I'm assuming Nas) don't get is that a whole album whining about the state of rap and saying "I'm the greatest" does not do anything to help the problem. Dropping a fresh album like Lupe Fiasco's Food and Liquor helps the state of hip-hop. I'm saying don't talk about it, be about it. Hopefully, Nas comes with the heat on this one though. In the meantime I keep listening to Jay hoping it'll grow on me.

[Graphik]

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As far as Nas goes, he's my favorite MC, and I have been fiending for his album for awhile. I just hope that he's not soley rapping about how hip-hop today sucks, which is what I am gathering by the title Hip-Hop is Dead.

What Jay (and I'm assuming Nas) don't get is that a whole album whining about the state of rap and saying "I'm the greatest" does not do anything to help the problem. Dropping a fresh album like Lupe Fiasco's Food and Liquor helps the state of hip-hop. I'm saying don't talk about it, be about it. Hopefully, Nas comes with the heat on this one though. In the meantime I keep listening to Jay hoping it'll grow on me.

Please tell me you did'nt forget about Street Disciple already? Still in heavy rotation in my crib. I'm not even worried about Nas dropping some nonsense. When has he ever? (Nastradamus not included)

As for Jay, he's fell off since the Blueprint 2 IMHO. I have no doubt in my mind that this cd will provide some bangers but will quickly fade as did The Black Album. I haven't gave it a listen yet.

[ehh]

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Dropping a fresh album like Lupe Fiasco's Food and Liquor helps the state of hip-hop.

But does it really?

I mean what influence is that album going to have long term? Even as dope as the underground scene was in '05, albums like the Minstrel Show didn't change much in terms of the grand landscape. Sure, they're great for the hardcore listeners but it hasn't done anything in terms of balancing out hip-hop and getting some diversity back into it. We need something major like a Wu/Nas/Biggie trio of '93-'94.

[Streets]

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Please tell me you did'nt forget about Street Disciple already? Still in heavy rotation in my crib. I'm not even worried about Nas dropping some nonsense. When has he ever? (Nastradamus not included).

Naw man, like I said, Nas is my favorite MC and I own copies (rare in this day in age) of everything he drops. So I have not and will never forget about any Nas album. (I liked Nastradamus btw).

My fear was based more on the title of the album than his track record, because as far as I'm concerned he's the undisputed G.O.A.T.

[Streets]

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But does it really?

I mean what influence is that album going to have long term? Even as dope as the underground scene was in '05, albums like the Minstrel Show didn't change much in terms of the grand landscape. Sure, they're great for the hardcore listeners but it hasn't done anything in terms of balancing out hip-hop and getting some diversity back into it. We need something major like a Wu/Nas/Biggie trio of '93-'94.

I'm not saying that Lupe dropping F&L did change the game, or that it is going to change the game, but if Jay were to drop a classic (Blueprint for example) it could, and even if it didn't it'd add alot more to hip-hop than him yapping about how he's the savior every track on KC.

[Gmoney2002]

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Naw man, like I said, Nas is my favorite MC and I own copies (rare in this day in age) of everything he drops. So I have not and will never forget about any Nas album. (I liked Nastradamus btw).
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I liked Nastradamus too. Nastradamus wasn't as bad as people said it was. It's just the fact that his standards were so high after iLLmatic and It Was Written. I personally think It Was Written was better then iLLmatic just my opinion.

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I liked Nastradamus too. Nastradamus wasn't as bad as people said it was. It's just the fact that his standards were so high after iLLmatic and It Was Written. I personally think It Was Written was better then iLLmatic just my opinion.

Nastradamus stunk. I played it yesterday and still refuse to feel it in any way, shape or form....plus I was intoxicated. Only songs I still enjoy are Shoot Em Up and The Life We Choose. Everything else is garbage. I also think It Was Written was better than Illmatic with I Am being a close second.

[ThaGenecyst]

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Ya'll heard that Nas feat. Jay-z - Black Republicans joint yet?


the clear version is on the new big mike mixtape... and they both got off... Nas had a better verse though

too bad hov wasn't spittin like this throughout kingdom come... it would have been a MUCH MUCH MUCH better lp


i can see myself bumpin "30 Something" for a LONG while though


peace

[ThaGenecyst]

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also think It Was Written was better than Illmatic with I Am being a close second.

wow, you & I are in the HEAVY minority with that opinion... i feel IWW > Illmatic as well

[supremeslang]

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wow, you & I are in the HEAVY minority with that opinion... i feel IWW > Illmatic as well

Very heavy minority. Illmatic > then every other Hip Hop album except for Cuban Linx.

[Gmoney2002]

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Ya'll heard that Nas feat. Jay-z - Black Republicans joint yet?


the clear version is on the new big mike mixtape... and they both got off... Nas had a better verse though

too bad hov wasn't spittin like this throughout kingdom come... it would have been a MUCH MUCH MUCH better lp

Yeah Genecyst, that track is fire. I think Nas had a better verse too.

"i’m back in the hood, they like hey nas
blowing on purple reflecting on they lives
a couple of fat cats, couple of A.I.’s
dreaming of fly **** instead of them gray skies
corporate spies hate nas wishing our reign dies
pitch sling pies to n*ggas that sing why
guess they ain’t strong enough to handle they jail time
weak minds keep trying, follow the street signs"

[Gmoney2002]

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wow, you & I are in the HEAVY minority with that opinion... i feel IWW > Illmatic as well

I feel the same way, see my previous post on the previous page...

[Streets]

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Yeah Genecyst, that track is fire. I think Nas had a better verse too.

"i’m back in the hood, they like hey nas
blowing on purple reflecting on they lives
a couple of fat cats, couple of A.I.’s
dreaming of fly **** instead of them gray skies
corporate spies hate nas wishing our reign dies
pitch sling pies to n*ggas that sing why
guess they ain’t strong enough to handle they jail time
weak minds keep trying, follow the street signs"

Yeah I always thought Nas was lyrically superior to Jay, but it seems recently that his flow is better as well. Jay has this new, whisper-like soft tone to him on a lot of his songs, that I don't really like. The only songs I'm feeling it on are "Beach Chair" and I guess "Minorty Report". But i believe he does it on "Black Republicans" and I'm not feeling it. Nas on the other hand has been flowing on point as of late.