Time Travel... soon?

[neovsmatrix]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

Actually if I remember this guy's theory properly it wouldn't require a machine in the way we think of them. So that parallel can be thrown out the window. The more interesting thing is this:

He believes time travel to the past is a definite lock but time travel to the future is virtually impossible. Now once someone travels back in time and alters it, let's say you travel back and prevent your grandfather from dying. They you've instantaniously (sp) created a parallel universe. You can never go back to the original point in time that you came from because you've altered the past.

Of course that means the you from the current timestream no longer exists!

Pretty heavy stuff (80s California accent)

Well, if it creates a parallel universe, wouldn't that universe run parallel to the one that already exists? Meaning you DO exist at least in one universe but in the other one you don't. Might substantiate the multiverse theory as well, IMHO, if time travel truly can create parallel universes.

[NovaStar]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

The concept of time travel is utter nonsense! If you believe in this then you have to believe in alternate universes and parallel dimensions. Simply put how do you go back in time when that time and occurrences are already past and expired. You can't ressurect past moments and people because they are not there. There is no rewind button in the space time continuim of man. It's kind of like the theory that suggests that you can ressurect dinosaurs using dna from a prehistoric mosquito (jurassic park). Yeah, the theory sounds good, now let me see you do it. The Big Bang theory sounds good but it too is utter nonsense!

[SPTO]

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Well, if it creates a parallel universe, wouldn't that universe run parallel to the one that already exists? Meaning you DO exist at least in one universe but in the other one you don't. Might substantiate the multiverse theory as well, IMHO, if time travel truly can create parallel universes.

That's pretty much what i'm saying.

[SPTO]

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The Big Bang theory sounds good but it too is utter nonsense!

I'll address this because it's the most concrete right now. I don't know what science has to do to make you believe in the Big Bang Theory but it's almost universally accepted as truth now. There have been numerous radio data that confirms that the universe is expanding. The Hubble Space Telescope and other visual/radio telescopes have gone so far back as to see the very seconds after the Big Bang.

There's only so much we can see/find data on with the current technology we have.

[NovaStar]

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I'll address this because it's the most concrete right now. I don't know what science has to do to make you believe in the Big Bang Theory but it's almost universally accepted as truth now. There have been numerous radio data that confirms that the universe is expanding. The Hubble Space Telescope and other visual/radio telescopes have gone so far back as to see the very seconds after the Big Bang.

There's only so much we can see/find data on with the current technology we have.

When you say "accepted" accepted by whom? The scientific community? The very ones who perpetuate it? To say that a solar "system" (and I stress the word system) came about because of an undirected or unplanned explosion, laughs in the face reason. It blows my mind that a scientist can be so analytical in one instance and then totally shuts his mind down in another to prove a rediculous theory that was pretty much fabricated or does not go to the true essence of the beginning of the solar system. I put forth to you that the Big Bang wasn't the beginning, but rather was a result of a consciuous, thought out, well reasoned plan. The "accepted" Big Bang theory does not go back far enough.

[SPTO]

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When you say "accepted" accepted by whom? The scientific community? The very ones who perpetuate it? To say that a solar "system" (and I stress the word system) came about because of an undirected or unplanned explosion, laughs in the face reason. It blows my mind that a scientist can be so analytical in one instance and then totally shuts his mind down in another to prove a rediculous theory that was pretty much fabricated or does not go to the true essence of the beginning of the solar system. I put forth to you that the Big Bang wasn't the beginning, but rather was a result of a consciuous, thought out, well reasoned plan. The "accepted" Big Bang theory does not go back far enough.

What the hell are you talking about? The Big Bang Theory has to do with the begining of the universe itself not the solar system sheesh!

Read this and be enlightened. The beginning of the solar system is a completely DIFFERENT thing read this:

Using radiometric dating, scientists can estimate that the solar system is 4.6 billion years old. The oldest rocks on Earth are approximately 3.9 billion years old. Rocks this old are rare, as the Earth's surface is constantly being reshaped by erosion, volcanism and plate tectonics. To estimate the age of the solar system scientists must use meteorites, which were formed during the early condensation of the solar nebula. The oldest meteorites (such as the Canyon Diablo meteorite) are found to have an age of 4.6 billion years, hence the solar system must be at least 4.6 billion years old.[8]

The current hypothesis of Solar System formation is the nebular hypothesis, first proposed in 1755 by Immanuel Kant and independently formulated by Pierre-Simon Laplace.[9] The nebular theory holds that the Solar System was formed from the gravitational collapse of a gaseous cloud called the solar nebula. It had a diameter of 100 AU and was 2–3 times the mass of the Sun. [citation needed] Over time, a disturbance (possibly a nearby supernova) [10] squeezed the nebula, pushing matter inward until gravitational forces overcame the internal gas pressure and it began to collapse. As the nebula collapsed, conservation of angular momentum meant that it spun faster, and became warmer. As the competing forces associated with gravity, gas pressure, magnetic fields, and rotation acted on it, the contracting nebula began to flatten into a spinning protoplanetary disk with a gradually contracting protostar at the center.[11] Studies of young, pre-fusing solar mass stars, called T Tauri stars, show that these discs extend to several hundred AU and are rather cool, reaching only a thousand kelvins at their hottest.[12]

From this cloud and its gas and dust, the various planets formed. The currently accepted method by which the planets formed is known as accretion, in which the planets began as dust grains in orbit around the central protostar, which initially formed by direct contact into clumps between one and ten kilometres in diameter, which in turn collided to form larger bodies (planetesimals), of roughly 5 km in size gradually increasing by further collisions by roughly 15 cm per year over the course of the next few million years.[13]

The inner solar system was too warm for volatile molecules like water and methane to condense, and so the planetesimals which formed there were relatively small (comprising only 0.6% the mass of the disc) [citation needed] and composed largely of compounds with high melting points, such as silicates and metals. These rocky bodies eventually became the terrestrial planets. Farther out, the gravitational effects of Jupiter made it impossible for the protoplanetary objects present to come together, leaving behind the asteroid belt. [14]

Farther out still, beyond the frost line, where more volatile icy compounds could remain solid, Jupiter and Saturn were able to gather more material than the terrestrial planets, as those compounds were more common. They became the gas giants, while Uranus and Neptune captured much less material and are known as ice giants because their cores are believed to be made mostly of ices (hydrogen compounds).[15] [16]

After 100 million years, the pressure and density of hydrogen in the centre of the collapsing nebula became great enough for the protosun to begin thermonuclear fusion, which increased until hydrostatic equilibrium was achieved.[17]

The young Sun's solar wind then cleared away all the gas and dust in the protoplanetary disk, blowing it into interstellar space, thus ending the growth of the planets.[18] [19]

SOURCE: wikipedia

[CMH]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

The concept of time travel is utter nonsense! If you believe in this then you have to believe in alternate universes and parallel dimensions. Simply put how do you go back in time when that time and occurrences are already past and expired. You can't ressurect past moments and people because they are not there. There is no rewind button in the space time continuim of man. It's kind of like the theory that suggests that you can ressurect dinosaurs using dna from a prehistoric mosquito (jurassic park). Yeah, the theory sounds good, now let me see you do it. The Big Bang theory sounds good but it too is utter nonsense!

You have to believe that time isn't linear, but almost circular. I'm not the best to explain it, but perhaps someone else can.

In other words, you can't look at the past as being something that happened and is done with. It's a part of something that exists with both the present and the future. We just happen to live in the moment.

Honestly, because of how things work on this earth, it's very difficult to understand it. We've been taught, thanks to the limitations of our earth and the present time, to think differently.

It's like understanding the 4th dimension. Even if I gave you a definition of it, you'll probably just say it sounds ridiculous. But, that's acceptable because we live in a 3rd dimensional world so it's difficult to imagine a dimension beyond that.

[NovaStar]

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What the hell are you talking about? The Big Bang Theory has to do with the begining of the universe itself not the solar system sheesh!

Read this and be enlightened. The beginning of the solar system is a completely DIFFERENT thing read this:



SOURCE: wikipedia

O.k I see what you are saying, so let me clear up what I am saying. I am saying that an explosion called the Big Bang did not happen without direction, design, or planning, especially when one attempts to attribute it to the beginning of the universe, from which solar systems sprang forth from, from which life itself sprang forth from. Scientists do not know what exactly happened in the very beginning, that is why it is called the Big Bang Theory. I don't accept the theory. That's all.

[SPTO]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

That's cool

There's an explanation for the Big Bang by some theorists but I have a feeling you'd call it crazy so I won't bother typing it out.

[NovaStar]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

You have to believe that time isn't linear, but almost circular. I'm not the best to explain it, but perhaps someone else can.

In other words, you can't look at the past as being something that happened and is done with. It's a part of something that exists with both the present and the future. We just happen to live in the moment.

Honestly, because of how things work on this earth, it's very difficult to understand it. We've been taught, thanks to the limitations of our earth and the present time, to think differently.

It's like understanding the 4th dimension. Even if I gave you a definition of it, you'll probably just say it sounds ridiculous. But, that's acceptable because we live in a 3rd dimensional world so it's difficult to imagine a dimension beyond that.

YP what's up. I understand the theory, I just don't agree with it. Here is why. Time is exact like math, when an occcurrence takes place it cannot be undone or unmade. To follow the logical progression of time travel is to accept the fact that past events can be undone. I don't accept that, not because I can't understand the logic of it, but rather as I understand time and the way it functions I can't accept the soundness of it. To me in order to accept time travel you must accept all manners of dimensional realities and parallel universes. The theory of time travel does not exist on its own but rather on the existence of other theory that are far more out there than the concept of time travel itself.

[LIGHTNING]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

There was some guy on the Art Bell show years ago who claimed to have invented a time travel machine. It was not true of course.

[NovaStar]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

That's cool

There's an explanation for the Big Bang by some theorists but I have a feeling you'd call it crazy so I won't bother typing it out.

SPTO, I probably have read most of those theories and I must say some of them are quite interesting. The one I find most interesting is that all life sprang forth from a black hole. My perception hinges on one thing and it is this; nothing unconscious can produce consciousness. In other words nothing from nothing leaves nothing. Life can only be produced by life, consciousness can only spring forth from consciousness. It is impossible for it to work any other way. The major flaw of most scientific theories is that they attempt to attach the beginnings of life consciousness to an unconscious event.

[jmood88]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

My theory is that time travel is not possible because it would result in anarchy. Just like how we were not made to be able to see the future or read other peoples minds.

Why exactly would it result in anarchy?

[jmood88]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

Actually if I remember this guy's theory properly it wouldn't require a machine in the way we think of them. So that parallel can be thrown out the window. The more interesting thing is this:

He believes time travel to the past is a definite lock but time travel to the future is virtually impossible. Now once someone travels back in time and alters it, let's say you travel back and prevent your grandfather from dying. They you've instantaniously (sp) created a parallel universe. You can never go back to the original point in time that you came from because you've altered the past.

Of course that means the you from the current timestream no longer exists!

Pretty heavy stuff (80s California accent)

But if you went into the past wouldn't that have already happened, therefore nothing that you do could actually change the future?

[jmood88]

Re: Time Travel... soon?

The concept of time travel is utter nonsense! If you believe in this then you have to believe in alternate universes and parallel dimensions. Simply put how do you go back in time when that time and occurrences are already past and expired. You can't ressurect past moments and people because they are not there. There is no rewind button in the space time continuim of man. It's kind of like the theory that suggests that you can ressurect dinosaurs using dna from a prehistoric mosquito (jurassic park). Yeah, the theory sounds good, now let me see you do it. The Big Bang theory sounds good but it too is utter nonsense!

Something like that has been done i believe and scientists are either planning on attempting or are already attempting on bringing back the mammoth using a process similar to that. It's basically cloning, just with an extinct animal.