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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #136
    Re: Time Travel... soon?

    Originally posted by BTB
    Dude everything on the internet is stored on servers SOMEWHERE...
    I know that, but that's not what I'm saying.

    I'm saying that the storage is limitless.

    You can write on a notebook and when that book runs out of pages you need to find a new notebook.

    The internet doesn't have that limitation. It's not as if you ever have to worry about too much information being on the web and having to delete some of it.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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    • sva91
      MVP
      • Feb 2005
      • 2019

      #137
      Re: Time Travel... soon?

      Internet, planes, even landing on the moon IMO are great accomplishments, but not unbelievable. Time travel is soo unbelievable. It would be amazing if it ever happened but i doubt it is possible. I think we have a better chance of teleporting.

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      • NovaStar
        Banned
        • Aug 2002
        • 3561

        #138
        Re: Time Travel... soon?

        Originally posted by jmood88
        I've never heard about anything suggesting that the egyptians said that they were contacted by anyone so I would like to see some link or something backing that up.
        Jmood, check this out. I have many articles but this one sets it out nice.



        WHO BUILT THE GREAT PYRAMID ?

        By John Zajac

        The Pyramids : According to common perception they were built, with the begrudging help of great armies of slaves, by the ancient pharaohs of Egypt as tombs for preserving their royal bodies. Pyramids were meant to be monuments to the pharaoh's greatness, filled with great treasures for the afterlife. To construct these massive shrines, the pharaoh's copied the oldest and largest pyramid of all, the Great Pyramid of Giza. But the Great Pyramid itself contains no pharaoh's body, no treasure chamber, and no treasures.

        Who, then, designed it and built it? What was its purpose? Let us begin our tour by considering a few basic facts about the Great Pyramid :-


        1. It is the Last "Wonder of the World".

        2. It is thirty times larger than the Empire State Building.

        3. The Pyramid's features are so large they can be seen from the Moon.

        4. Its base covers 13.6 acres.

        5. It is the oldest structure in existence.

        6. Having been started 4,617 years ago, it is the sole remnant of the Seven Wonders of the World.

        7. Only a solid stone mountain could endure the Pyramid's immense weight. And indeed, a flat solid granite mountain happens to be located just beneath the surface of the ground directly under the Pyramid.

        8. It is built to face true North.

        9. The Pyramid is located at the exact center of the Earth's land mass. That is, its East-West axis corresponds to the longest land parallel across the Earth, passing through Africa, Asia, and America. Similarly, the longest land meridian on Earth, through Asia, Africa, Europa, and Antarctica, also passes right through the Pyramid. Since the Earth has enough land area to provide 3 billion possible building sites for the Pyramid, the odds of it's having been built where it is are 1 in 3 billion.

        10. Construction Unequaled by Modern Technology Like 20th century bridge designs, the Pyramid's cornerstones have balls and sockets built into them. Several football fields long, the Pyramid is subject to expansion and contraction movements from heat and cold, as well as earthquakes, settling, and other such phenomena. After 4,600 years it's structure would have been significantly damaged without such construction.

        11. While the bulk of the Pyramid's core was constructed of 4,000- to 40,000-pound blocks of soft limestone, the outer layer of the Pyramid was made of a beautifully bright, protective layer of polished stone. These outer "casing stones" are missing today because about 600 years ago they were stolen by Arabs, (This accounts for the very worn appearance of the Pyramid today, since the inner limestone blocks are not immune to attack by the elements-wind, rain, and sandstrom.) This protective covering was made up of 100-inch-thick, 20-ton block of hard, white limestone, similar to marble but superior in hardness and in durability against the elements.

        12. The Great Pyramid did not always look as "rough" as it does today. Originally it was encased with a layer of tight-fitting, highly polished 20-ton stone slabs. The casing stones, 144,000 in all, were so brilliant that they could literally be seen from the mountains of Israel hundreds of miles away. On bright mornings and late afternoons, sunlight reflected by this vast mirrored surface of 5 & 1/4 acres distinguished the Pyramid as being visible from the moon.


        (Note: For those interested in possible symbolic significance, in Bible prophecy 144,000 is the number of people-12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel-who are supposed to evangelize the world at the endtime.)

        The people of the area had viewed the Pyramid and its polished stones with awe for centuries. But when a 13th century earthquake loosened some of these casing stones, the Arabs recognised a great quarry of precut stones that could be used to finish off palaces and mosques. For instance, the casing stones were used to rebuild the new city of El Kaherah plus Cairo mosques and palaces, including the Mosque of Sultan Hasan.

        Amazingly, the outside surface stones are cut within 0.01 (1/100th) inch of perfectly straight and at nearly perfect right angles for all six sides. And they were placed together with an intentional gap between them of 0.02 inch. Modern technology cannot place such 20-ton stones with greater accuracy than those in the Pyramid.

        Even more amazing is that the 0.02-inch gap was designed to allow space for glue to seal and hold the stones together. A white cement that connected the casing stones and made them watertight is still intact and stronger than the blocks that it joins. Let's pause from our tour for a moment's rest and reflection. Whoever built the Pyramid used a technologly that we still do not possess today to cut, move, and cement stones.

        Whoever built it also had some knowledge of the Earth, because it was built in the right spot-one of the few places that would support such a great weight. The builder also knew where the greatest land mass of the Earth was in both the North-South and East-West directions. Amazing. But we had better keep going. And joining us on the leg of our tour will be none other than Sir Issac Newton...

        The Great Pyramid is one of the most comprehensively surveyed buildings in the World. Scientists over the centuries have taken thousands of measurements in their quest to find out more about its mysteries. Among those intrigued by the incredible accuracy of the Pyramid's construction was the great scientist and mathematician Sir Isaac Newton.

        Attemping to formulate his famous law of gravity, Newton needed to know the diameter of the Earth. However, in the 1600's no measurement was accurate enough, especially since Newton theorized that the Earth's spin would cause an equatorial bulge.

        Having heard legends claiming that knowledge of the Earth, the past, and the future were contained in the Pyramid, Newton set out to investigate. After studying the detailed measurements made by the investigators before him, Newton recognised that many key measurements would be in round numbers if the standard unit of measure was just 0.001 (1/1,000) inch larger than the British inch-which just happens to be the Sacred Jewish Inch. (The Sacred Jewish Inch, 1/25 of a cubit, equals 1.00106 British inches.)

        This discovery allowed the secrets of the Pyramid to be unlocked and revealed unmistakable and mathematical relationships. For instance: We know from geometry that there is a universal relationship between the diameter of a circle and its circumference.

        Consider this: The height of the Pyramid's apex is 5,812.98 inches, and each side is 9,131 inches from corner to corner (in a straight line). If the circumference of the Pyramid is divided by twice its height (the diameter of a circle is twice the radius), the result is 3.14159, which just happens to be pi. Incredibly, this calculation is accurate to six digits. So the Pyramid is a square circle, and thus pi was designed into it 4,600 years ago. Pi is demonstrated many times throughout the Pyramid.

        Other numbers are also repeated throughout. Each of the Pyramids four walls, when measured as a straight line, are 9,131 inches, for a total of 36,524 inches. At first glance, this number may not seem significant, but move the decimal point over and you get 365.24. Modern science has shown us that the exact length of the solar year is 365.24 days.

        All of the evidence in the Great Pyramid shows that 4,600 years ago somebody knew a great deal about the Earth. But it gets better, much better: The average height of land above sea level (Miami being low and the Himalayas being high), as can be measured only by modern-day satellites and computers, happens to be 5,449 inches. That is the exact height of the Pyramid.

        All four sides of the Pyramid are very slightly and evenly bowed in, or concave. This effect, which cannot be detected by looking at the Pyramid from the ground, was discovered around 1940 by a pilot taking aerial photos to check certain measurements. As measured by today's laser instruments, all of these perfectly cut and intentionally bowed stone blocks duplicate exactly the curvature of the earth.

        The radius of this bow is equal to the radius of the Earth. This radius of curvature is what Newton had long been seeking. The Great Pyramid is located on the far right. Clearly, whoever built the Pyramid had access to information beyond that which earthlings possessed at the time, at least earthlings as we know them. Now, one can argue that we were visited by scientifically advanced beings from outer space who taught us their technology. That is possible from the evidence presented, perhaps even likely.

        If so, these advanced beings had the paramount goal of leaving behind a message that would endure for eons. Suppose these beings decided to leave a message. The message would have to be universal yet simple. It would have to survive the centuries and be understandable by all the Earth's inhabitants despite language and cultural differences. The message would have to be understood by many languages that would not come into existence for centuries after the message was written.

        So far the message indicates that whoever built the Pyramid knew the Earth well: the length of the year, the radius of curvature, the standard measurement techniques, the average height of the continents, and the center of the land mass. They were able to consruct something that we still cannot construct today, and they were able to tie all these things together in this single structure.

        Were they extraterrestrial, or perhaps even supernatural? The answer is not yet clear. However, thus far we have examined only the outside of the Pyramid.

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        • p2xgamers
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 4735

          #139
          Re: Time Travel... soon?

          Originally posted by sva91
          Internet, planes, even landing on the moon IMO are great accomplishments, but not unbelievable. Time travel is soo unbelievable. It would be amazing if it ever happened but i doubt it is possible. I think we have a better chance of teleporting.
          Yeah they aren't "unbelievable" because we have them and are used to them. 100 years ago (well a little longer for planes) they would be saying it was impossible and I believe that was said both about going TO the moon and landing ON it, as well as how many people said the Wright Brothers were crazy when making an airplane?
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          • Dallasin2K3
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 3135

            #140
            Re: Time Travel... soon?

            Let me preface all of this by stating that I'm not defending parallel universes as absolute fact. I don't know enough to be able to do that. (Who does, really?) However, I am willing to entertain the possibility and am therefore going to play devil's advocate in a lot of situations.

            Originally posted by NovaStar
            All of this goes back to my original statement and that is "to allow the belief in time travel one must also entertain other theories that are far more out there than the notion of time travel itself".
            The notion of parallel universes is not one that is passed off by science as bogus. In fact, Einsein believed in it and studied it extensively.

            Here's a question for you. Is space infinite? Is there an edge to space? I'm talking the entirety of space, matter and existence. Is there a wall where space stops? A sign that says, "Okay, no further. This is really the end, for real. Watch your step," posted at the edge of space? Or does space go on forever?

            If you believe that space is infinite, then you also must take into account several other factors before coming, finally, to what you believe to be correct. First, the distribution of matter. It is widely accepted that the distribution of matter in the universe and beyond is constant. You don't come to giant blocks of solid matter extending millions of light years, as far as any telescope can see, in any direction. It's about the same everywhere, and largely random.
            Agree?

            If you believe that space is infinite, that there is no "end", that there isn't a wall, or a friendly sign, at the edge, and that the distribution of matter is relatively constant on large scales, then it stands to reason that even the most unlikely of events must occur somewhere. Specifically, it is then estimated that 10^10^29m away, in a location out beyond where light has even had a chance to reach, where there exist planets just like ours, inhabited by people like us. And on that planet, there is likely someone with the same appearance, name, and experiences as you.

            If you don't believe that space is infinite, what is your alternative? The same goes for the uniform distribution of matter on large scales.

            Interesting to think about.

            To answer this kind of theory is to take into account what we already know as analytical, rational thinking human beings. The one thing that makes the concept of time travel though interesting but ridiculous is that life is purpose driven
            Is it? What is the purpose of life? What is the purpose of a single celled bacteria floating in the ocean? If life has a purpose, all life must have a common purpose, correct?

            On the other hand.. Scientifically speaking, why is it unreasonable to state that we are alive as a matter of circumstance, coincidence? Pushed and promoted by inevitably perfect conditions to assume a different form of matter, to live and eventually die? The purpose of life limited to acting as life itself, if only for a short time? I will say one thing, though, if you have figured out the purpose of life, you've gotten farther in your life than life itself has come in 4 billion years.


            it is not a continuous loop that repeats itself nor is capable of repeating itself nor is the time assciated with it capable of being altered.
            But it has been quite routinely proven that time associated with life CAN be altered. Russian cosmonauts traveling at 16,000 miles per hour for 2 years on the Russian space station have already traveled a fraction of a second into the future. Time is clearly something that is plastic and is not a universally unifying element to life. If everyone has their own "clock", so to speak, it stands to reason that slowing down one clock (i.e.: the cosmonaut), slows relative time down for that entity.. sending him into the "future", if you will.. as has been shown. Although I should state that going into the future is somewhat of a misnomer, as really all that is happening is one is slowing down their "clock", while everyone else's continues on the same speed. Think about it: if we were able to travel fast enough to make time for an entity slow down such that one hour for them equals one day for everyone else, and then slow them down after 365 hours of this travel, everyone else would have aged 365 days, while the traveler has aged only 365 hours, in effect, "going" to the future.

            Mankinds life cycle is based on the theory of progression toward a defined purpose, the purpose itself cannot be altered by the inteference of men, life itself would not permit that.
            Once again, I ask of you what the purpose of life is? Does all life share a unified purpose? Do plants have the same purpose as dogs, and men, and unicellular bacteria? Does man have his own purpose? If he does, when did the difference arise, and evolutionarily speaking, why? (Remember.. this is a scientific discussion.. Don't play the Adam and Eve card... )
            Last edited by Dallasin2K3; 12-06-2006, 12:03 AM.
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            • NovaStar
              Banned
              • Aug 2002
              • 3561

              #141
              Re: Time Travel... soon?

              Originally posted by Dallasin2K3
              Let me preface all of this by stating that I'm not defending parallel universes as absolute fact. I don't know enough to be able to do that. (Who does, really?) However, I am willing to entertain the possibility and am therefore going to play devil's advocate in a lot of situations.



              The notion of parallel universes is not one that is passed off by science as bogus. In fact, Einsein believed in it and studied it extensively.

              Here's a question for you. Is space infinite? Is there an edge to space? I'm talking the entirety of space, matter and existence. Is there a wall where space stops? A sign that says, "Okay, no further. This is really the end, for real. Watch your step," posted at the edge of space? Or does space go on forever?

              If you believe that space is infinite, then you also must take into account several other factors before coming, finally, to what you believe to be correct. First, the distribution of matter. It is widely accepted that the distribution of matter in the universe and beyond is constant. You don't come to giant blocks of solid matter extending millions of light years, as far as any telescope can see, in any direction. It's about the same everywhere, and largely random.
              Agree?

              If you believe that space is infinite, that there is no "end", that there isn't a wall, or a friendly sign, at the edge, and that the distribution of matter is relatively constant on large scales, then it stands to reason that even the most likely of events must occur somewhere. Specifically, it is then estimated that 10^10^29m away, in a location out beyond where light has even had a chance to reach, where there exist planets just like ours, inhabited by people like us. And on that planet, there is likely someone with the same appearance, name, and experiences as you.

              If you don't believe that space is infinite, what is your alternative? The same goes for the uniform distribution of matter on large scales.

              Interesting to think about.



              Is it? What is the purpose of life? What is the purpose of a single celled bacteria floating in the ocean? If life has a purpose, all life must have a common purpose, correct?

              On the other hand.. Scientifically speaking, why is it unreasonable to state that we are alive as a matter of circumstance, coincidence? Pushed and promoted by inevitably perfect conditions to assume a different form of matter, to live and eventually die? The purpose of life limited to acting as life itself, if only for a short time? I will say one thing, though, if you have figured out the purpose of life, you've gotten farther in your life than life itself has come in 4 billion years.




              But it has been quite routinely proven that time associated with life CAN be altered. Russian cosmonauts traveling at 16,000 miles per hour for 2 years on the Russian space station have already traveled a fraction of a second into the future. Time is clearly something that is plastic and is not a universally unifying element to life. If everyone has their own "clock", so to speak, it stands to reason that slowing down one clock (i.e.: the cosmonaut), slows relative time down for that entity.. sending him into the "future", if you will.. as has been shown. Although I should state that going into the future is somewhat of a misnomer, as really all that is happening is one is slowing down their "clock", while everyone else's continues on the same speed. Think about it: if we were able to travel fast enough to make time for an entity slow down such that one hour for them equals one day for everyone else, and then slow them down after 365 hours of this travel, everyone else would have aged 365 days, while the traveler has aged only 365 hours, in effect, "going" to the future.



              Once again, I ask of you what the purpose of life is? Does all life share a unified purpose? Do plants have the same purpose as dogs, and men, and unicellular bacteria? Does man have his own purpose? If he does, when did the difference arise, and evolutionarily speaking, why? (Remember.. this is a scientific discussion.. Don't play the Adam and Eve card... )
              Dallas, let me first say I like the way you think. Secondly, I noticed that you have asked me to defend myself with both arms tied behind my proverbial back (not playing the Adam and Eve card). O.k. since this is a scientific study lets first define what science is. Science loosely defined is the ability to produce solutions in a problem domain, simply put, the discipline of life problem solving. I say life itself sheds certain answers as to what is possible and what is not possible if you only pay attention.

              Let's first take the concept of parallel universes. Parallel means; that which matches or duplicates, and or; that which lays adjacent to. If there is a parallel universe to this one in the far reaches of outer space, in order to remain parallel it can never cross or intersect with this one. When one speaks of time travel it seems to me that the theory alludes to being able to displace or transfer ones existence in one universe into the other, and in essence affecting both universes. This seems contradictory to me because parallel universes like parallel lines should go on indefinitely but never connect or intermingle.

              Time, Space, Gravity, Man, infinity, all answer to law, whether space is infinite or not(damn good question by the way) it must adhere to law, the only entity that does not adhere to law (or adhere to a law we are aware of is a black hole). When one speaks of the infinite existence of space, you must also include in that the infinite properties of time. Space and time share the same continuom. One thing we know about time based on our own life experiences is that it moves forward (contrary to what some might think in regards to daylight savings). The law of time is forward progression never back. The law of space is location in time. Every law has a purpose, therefore every concept that exists within law must to have a purpose. Again, we, man, on our micro level exhibit purpose, therefore the macro (the universe) must too have a purpose, all purpose coupled with life operate under a law, time travel (and I will qualify it by saying backward time travel, I concede that the concept of forward time travel may be possible in some respect because that doesn't seem to break the law) breaks the law.

              The answers to the purpose of life are given on what I call the Macro Micro theory. As a thing exists on the Microcosm, it must also exist on the Macrocosm. If I take a piece of sponge or tree and examine the small piece, it will contain the same properties and realities of the whole, or that which it came from. Man, he is born, he develops, He peaks, he declines, he dies (barring any intervening causes like getting shot or run over by a truck). Inbetween those events, he seeks out his purpose, one man may want to be a scientist to unlock the mysteries of life and man, one might be a rock star, baker or indian chief, whatever he becomes he moves with a purpose that contributes back to the life process. A man with no purpose is outside of the nature of his existence out side of the life process "I create therefore I am". The nature of his existence is in harmony with time, time is in harmony with its law, which is forward progression.

              Gravity is the force of attraction between all masses in the universe. On earth it dictates that all bodies close to the earth will be pulled to the earth. That law cannot be broken. What can happen is that a body can be in harmony with gravity and the law of gravity so that one can counter the force, (I guess speed X mass is an example of this). A bird when it flies is not defying gravity but rather is created to be in harmony with it so that it can fly. If a bird stops flapping its wings and cannot catch a wind current then that bird will hit the ground just like I will if I jumped off of a building. So what I am saying is that life is infinite in its process, time is infinite in its forward progression, space is infinite in its vastness and they all adhere to the law that rules them, this is why backward time travel to me, is not possible.

              Oh, I forgot. The purpose of life is simply to live in harmony with life, in whatever form life comes in (man, woman, child, dog, plant tree, fish). Harmony is defined as "harmonious state of things in general and of their properties (as of colors and sounds); congruity of parts with one another and with the whole". Every choice you make when interacting with these parts either contributes to the life or subtracts from it.
              Last edited by NovaStar; 12-05-2006, 10:22 PM.

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