What do teachers really make?

[dieselboy]

Re: What do teachers really make?

Unless your a gym teacher then its a 8 hr a day job.

"Uhhh, we're going to play dodgeball today..."

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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He'd be better than you.

Class: Good morning, mr. Cutini.

TJ: "Whats going on, fellas? Today we're going to learn about Intercoastal Waterways."

At least you didn't say "ocean".

[SuperFreak84]

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Let me try and put this in perspective from where I live....

My wife graduated college last year. She was unable to find a job over the summer, so she is long term subbing for 90 bucks a day for the rest of the school year. The school district she is working for now has a starting salary of $22,900.00 which is rumored to be raised 3k by the new governor. Throughout college she worked as a waitress around 30 hours a week. She would consistently make 15k-18k a year waiting tables. She gets to school around 7AM and usually leaves school at 4PM, which is a 9 hour day at 90 bucks a day, which equals 10 bucks an hour. She obviously doesn't have to totally create lesson plans as the teacher on leave already has them in place, but she still has to follow someone else's teaching techniques and someone else's way of organizing a classroom, which can be hard to adapt to.

I think it's safe to say most teachers aren't in it for the money.

[Skerik]

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Unless your a gym teacher then its a 8 hr a day job.

"Those that can't do, teach. And those that can't teach....teach gym."

[ExtremeGamer]

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"Those that can't do, teach. And those that can't teach....teach gym."

I love School of Rock.

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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"Those that can't do, teach. And those that can't teach....teach gym."

- Jack Black
"School of Rock"

[daflyboys]

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WHAT TEACHERS MAKE
The dinner guests were sitting around the table discussing
Life. One man, a CEO, decided to explain the problem with education. He
argued, "What's a kid going to learn from someone who decided his best option in life was to become a teacher? "He reminded the other dinner guests what they say about
teachers: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. "To stress his point he said to
another guest; "You're a teacher, Bonnie. Be honest. What do you make?" Bonnie, who had a reputation for honesty and frankness replied, "You want to know what I make?
(She paused for a second, then began...) "Well, I make kids work harder than they
ever thought they could. I make a C+ feel like the Congressional Medal of Honor. I make kids sit through 40 minutes of class time when their parents can't make them sit for 5 without an I Pod, Game Cube or movie rental...You want to know what I make?"
(She paused again and looked at each and every person at the table.)"I make kids
wonder. I make them question. I make them criticize. I make them apologize and mean it. I make them have respect and take responsibility for their actions. I teach them to write and then I make them write. I make them read, read, read. I make them show all their work in math. I make my students from other countries learn everything they
need to know in English while preserving their unique cultural identity. I make my classroom a place where all my students feel safe. I make my students stand to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, because we live in the United States of America.
Finally, I make them understand that if they use the gifts they were
given, work hard, and follow their hearts, they can succeed in life.
(Bonnie pausedone last time and then continued.)
"Then, when people try to judge me by what I make,
I can hold my head up high and pay no attention because they are ignorant...
You want to know what I make? I MAKE A DIFFERENCE. What do you make?” THIS IS WORTH SENDING TO EVERY TEACHER YOU KNOW.


My wifes a teacher and this is a well known passage circulated around the area about what teachers make

How very noble. But let's take this piece by piece. If the Jack Black (that's an old one, not his original, btw) catch phrase is not taken as acceptable, then neither can this soliloquy, of sorts.

Well, I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could. I make a C+ feel like the Congressional Medal of Honor. So do volunteers and coaches. You signed up to work with kids.....why would you not be expected to do this. And not all teachers necessarily have the skill or desire to do this.

I make kids sit through 40 minutes of class time when their parents can't make them sit for 5 without an I Pod, Game Cube or movie rental. Because a kid is sitting through 40 minutes of class time, doesn't mean you have their attention. I can MAKE my kids sit and listen to me whether they want to or not, because I'm the parent and this has been established.

I make kids wonder. I make them question. I make them criticize. I make them read, read, read. I make them show all their work in math. Job description.

I make them apologize and mean it. Hmmm...we're talking elementary school kids here, yes?
I make them have respect and take responsibility for their actions. Ditto.

I make my students from other countries learn everything they need to know in English while preserving their unique cultural identity. Substitute "respecting" for "preserving" or show me the giant "G" on your chest.

I make my classroom a place where all my students feel safe. I make my students stand to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, because we live in the United States of America. Soon to be abolished either piece by piece or en masse if this immigration issue isn't handled.

Finally, I make them understand that if they use the gifts they were
given, work hard, and follow their hearts, they can succeed in life. Well, if you can ASSIST the parents who have already been doing this even prior to starting school.....we thank you, but please don't kid yourselves that this is solely because of our educational system.

In closing, it's not fair to look at the average of an entire profession without seeing the comparative cost of living index in a given area. But let's not take the profession of teaching as the apex of important jobs in this society even though the self-aggrandized teachers' union may promote that. BTW, I work at a boys' residential treatment facility. I have a master's degree and have been in the field for 20 years. I run the risk of being spit on, kicked, punched or even stabbed any possible day of the week, but I have yet to have that happen because I do my job. I cannot gain tenure and I am nearing the end of my pay scale and have maxed out the vacation perk I can receive. I do not have summers off. But I don't purport to know how to raise someone's kid better than they do. If you are a teacher and you've read this.... and you believe that your job as you signed up for it, is to provide the material and atmosphere for my child to learn the ESSENTIALS for advancing in the educational/working place, then we have no quarrel. But, if you are of the ilk that as part of your job description that you were placed on this earth to act and do as if you know what's better for my child than I do, then we have a problem.

Oh yes..... I make less than the average teacher in this area who's had 10% of my experience.

[MachoMyers]

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Unless your a gym teacher then its a 8 hr a day job.

Until your called in to volunteer for a thousand possible things (coaching, dances, parent/teacher meetings, etc.) Once you add in lesson/unit planning and dealing with a host of other issues from students, parents, faculty, and administration your definately going to be working more than 40 hours a week. Unless your the teacher I had in 9th grade who used the same lesson plans year after year and clearly gave little to no $*@! about teaching.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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My dad's a teacher at a rural SC middle school and he's about to retire after 34 years. He's almost maxed out on his pay scale in terms of continued education (everything except a phD) and maxed out on experience. He just started making $60K before taxes. I think it's like any job, if that's your calling than you'll do it and do it well regardless of the pay.

[Scottdau]

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How very noble. But let's take this piece by piece. If the Jack Black (that's an old one, not his original, btw) catch phrase is not taken as acceptable, then neither can this soliloquy, of sorts.

Well, I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could. I make a C+ feel like the Congressional Medal of Honor. So do volunteers and coaches. You signed up to work with kids.....why would you not be expected to do this. And not all teachers necessarily have the skill or desire to do this.

I make kids sit through 40 minutes of class time when their parents can't make them sit for 5 without an I Pod, Game Cube or movie rental. Because a kid is sitting through 40 minutes of class time, doesn't mean you have their attention. I can MAKE my kids sit and listen to me whether they want to or not, because I'm the parent and this has been established.

I make kids wonder. I make them question. I make them criticize. I make them read, read, read. I make them show all their work in math. Job description.

I make them apologize and mean it. Hmmm...we're talking elementary school kids here, yes?
I make them have respect and take responsibility for their actions. Ditto.

I make my students from other countries learn everything they need to know in English while preserving their unique cultural identity. Substitute "respecting" for "preserving" or show me the giant "G" on your chest.

I make my classroom a place where all my students feel safe. I make my students stand to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, because we live in the United States of America. Soon to be abolished either piece by piece or en masse if this immigration issue isn't handled.

Finally, I make them understand that if they use the gifts they were
given, work hard, and follow their hearts, they can succeed in life. Well, if you can ASSIST the parents who have already been doing this even prior to starting school.....we thank you, but please don't kid yourselves that this is solely because of our educational system.

In closing, it's not fair to look at the average of an entire profession without seeing the comparative cost of living index in a given area. But let's not take the profession of teaching as the apex of important jobs in this society even though the self-aggrandized teachers' union may promote that. BTW, I work at a boys' residential treatment facility. I have a master's degree and have been in the field for 20 years. I run the risk of being spit on, kicked, punched or even stabbed any possible day of the week, but I have yet to have that happen because I do my job. I cannot gain tenure and I am nearing the end of my pay scale and have maxed out the vacation perk I can receive. I do not have summers off. But I don't purport to know how to raise someone's kid better than they do. If you are a teacher and you've read this.... and you believe that your job as you signed up for it, is to provide the material and atmosphere for my child to learn the ESSENTIALS for advancing in the educational/working place, then we have no quarrel. But, if you are of the ilk that as part of your job description that you were placed on this earth to act and do as if you know what's better for my child than I do, then we have a problem.

Oh yes..... I make less than the average teacher in this area who's had 10% of my experience.

I am confussed are you a teacher or a guard? I teach at J. Hall and I know those fears too. Any ways good luck in your job and be safe.

[daflyboys]

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I am confussed are you a teacher or a guard? I teach at J. Hall and I know those fears too. Any ways good luck in your job and be safe.

I'm a therapist.

[metalman]

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I teach on the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota. I also coach boy's basketball. This is my 8th year and I have to say that I enjoy my job very much. Yes there are days that I wonder way I became a teacher, but those days are very rare. There are a lot of things that take up a lot of time, grading papers, turning lesson plans, taking college classes, etc. Every job has things that you don't like to do a lot of but none the less it is part of your job.

I think we fail to pay the people who deserve it. Since when is a professional athlete, movie star, singer the most important job in our society. It is the middle and lower class people that get the short end of the stick. Until we realize this those who really don't deserve millions will get it and those we deserve more pay will never get paid well.

[Scottdau]

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I'm a therapist.

Oh OK got you now. I was confussed, but I understand. So you just wanted to get some props for all the Therapist's out there lol. Yeah that is tough job too. Especaily with that kind of clients. Good for you bro and the best of luck.

[Rainey]

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I teach on the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota. I also coach boy's basketball. This is my 8th year and I have to say that I enjoy my job very much. Yes there are days that I wonder way I became a teacher, but those days are very rare. There are a lot of things that take up a lot of time, grading papers, turning lesson plans, taking college classes, etc. Every job has things that you don't like to do a lot of but none the less it is part of your job.

I think we fail to pay the people who deserve it. Since when is a professional athlete, movie star, singer the most important job in our society. It is the middle and lower class people that get the short end of the stick. Until we realize this those who really don't deserve millions will get it and those we deserve more pay will never get paid well.

People will be paid on how much their job brings in. People stop paying for tickets to a sporting event, and buying merchandise the money will dry up. Just because a job is more "noble or more important" doesn't mean they deserve more money than someone else. It means they deserve respect and an applause... but not more money.

[Beantown]

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So...you'd say an actor/actress deserves a couple million per movie, while a teacher deserves 35k and a round of applause?