The Great Global Warming Swindle

[mjb2124]

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Which is quite selfish for the one's that come after you, if you are wrong about your opinion.

That's perfectly fine by me. When I'm spending 45K or more on a car, I might as well get something I want and not something that other's think I should have.


If you believe so strongly in Global Warming, I ask again....why are the polar ice caps in Mars melting as well? No one can seem to answer this question. I don't think it's totally irrelevant to this topic.

[daflyboys]

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We have already shown that what we do has an impact on ozone layers. As for animal species, you have got to be kidding yourself if you don't believe that we as humans have had a tremendous effect on what animals have gone extinct or endangered. In fact, we as a planet are going through a mass extinction event as we speak, which can be directly attributed to the expansion of human civilization and the effects thereof. The current mass extinction is not cyclical, as some would like to believe. The elimination of many species can be DIRECTLY attributed to overhunting, degradation of habitat, introduction of unnatural species, etc. All that needs to be done is a little research on that subject to see that you are dead wrong.

And as for global warming, again, why is it so bad to be safe about the subject? No one can answer that question. If you are right, then great, you managed to be a good person and take care of the planet in which you lived. But if you are wrong, then you prevented irreversable changes to our planet's life. What is so bad about that?

And what if you are wrong all together and don't do anything or make any changes? What about your kids or grandkids? Don't you care enough about the future to make some changes today?

Fine. Show me your sources. But you won't be able to show definitive sources on ozone depletion. I have no problem doing things that are safe, smart and help make our quality of life improved. But I'm not going to give into hysteria that follows a trail to political circles to build power bases. If you want to....go ahead. We'll leave the Bambi discussion for another time and another place.

I'll just leave this thread with this last reiteration (of sorts): When was the last time a scientific concern which could have a grave impact on the quality of life responsible for a politician winning an Oscar?

[Hootiefish]

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That's perfectly fine by me. When I'm spending 45K or more on a car, I might as well get something I want and not something that other's think I should have.


If you believe so strongly in Global Warming, I ask again....why are the polar ice caps in Mars melting as well? No one can seem to answer this question. I don't think it's totally irrelevant to this topic.

Do you happen to have kids? If so, don't you care about the world they could inherit from you?

As for Mars, I don't know. I don't really have a full opinion about our own global warming (if it is us or not). I just know that it is better to be safe than sorry (without buying into hysteria). As I said again, what is so wrong about that?

[ehh]

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My senior year in college we did a group research project on global warming. I never understood why there was so much fuss about a theory.

[Hootiefish]

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Fine. Show me your sources. But you won't be able to show definitive sources on ozone depletion. I have no problem doing things that are safe, smart and help make our quality of life improved. But I'm not going to give into hysteria that follows a trail to political circles to build power bases. If you want to....go ahead. We'll leave the Bambi discussion for another time and another place.

True, I could probably find nothing definite. But a link, you cannot deny that. As for the "Bambi" discussion, if you are so jaded as to believe that we as people are not responsible for the extinction of 1000's of species over the last several hundred years, then I am sorry. You are far too jaded for me to even get into this discussion with.

I'll just leave this thread with this last reiteration (of sorts): When was the last time a scientific concern which could have a grave impact on the quality of life responsible for a politician winning an Oscar?

It has never come up before. And who cares about the Oscar in the first place. Let's not forget that the likes of Mira Sorvino won one as well.

[mjb2124]

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Do you happen to have kids? If so, don't you care about the world they will inherit from you?

As for Mars, I don't know. I don't really have a full opinion about our own global warming (if it is us or not). I just know that it is better to be safe than sorry (without buying into hysteria). As I said again, what is so wrong about that?

Not yet. I do have a little niece and nephew though. I don't think kids would sway my opinion though as I treat my niece and nephew as if they were my own. Frankly, I think the way I view this is due to the fact that I believe that Global Warming isn't as serious as some in the media have made it out to be. The media is such a horrible source of info anymore as everything is blown out of proportion. I've read a bunch of articles and studied this subject that lead me to my personal belief on this issue (mentioned earlier).

Don't get me wrong, if they could produce a 350HP sports car that I like and cut down on gas consumption and emissions for the same price then I'd be all for it. However, they haven't done so and it doesn't appear that they're very close. I'm not against these things, but don't think 1 person will make much difference. Heck, they don't even test for car emissions during an inspection in the county I live in. I think that should be more of a concern than 1 person buying certain cars they like.

[Hootiefish]

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Don't get me wrong, if they could produce a 350HP sports car that I like and cut down on gas consumption and emissions for the same price then I'd be all for it. However, they haven't done so and it doesn't appear that they're very close. I'm not against these things, but don't think 1 person will make much difference. Heck, they don't even test for car emissions during an inspection in the county I live in. I think that should be more of a concern than 1 person buying certain cars they like.

I guess my thought is that 1 one person can add up pretty quickly. You obviously aren't the only one buying a car of that type, therefore, there are many ones out there like you increasing the consumption. As they say with voting, every person matters (Gore should know that better than anyone).

And please don't misconstrue any of this as an attack on you or your personal beliefs. I am actually a part of the media, so I am always looking for as many pieces to a story as possible, thus helping me shape my opinion. I am still wondering about the subject myself, thus my probing into why everyone believes what they seem to believe.

[EWRMETS]

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That's perfectly fine by me. When I'm spending 45K or more on a car, I might as well get something I want and not something that other's think I should have.


If you believe so strongly in Global Warming, I ask again....why are the polar ice caps in Mars melting as well? No one can seem to answer this question. I don't think it's totally irrelevant to this topic.

It seems pretty irrelevant to me. We know very little about Mars or its atmosphere so how can that info be used to argue against global warming?

[mjb2124]

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It seems pretty irrelevant to me. We know very little about Mars or its atmosphere so how can that info be used to argue against global warming?

From what I've read, we've learned quite a bit about Mars and it's atmosphere (even breaking it down into the % or amount of different gases that are in the atmosphere). Every year we've learned more and more with the biggest accomplishment coming when the US successfully landed a robot on Mars a few years ago (Mars Rover mission).

Run a Google search on Mars atmosphere and you'll come up with a lot of topics. Do the same for the Mars Rover mission and a lot of good info is there on what was found.

[mjb2124]

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And please don't misconstrue any of this as an attack on you or your personal beliefs. I am actually a part of the media, so I am always looking for as many pieces to a story as possible, thus helping me shape my opinion. I am still wondering about the subject myself, thus my probing into why everyone believes what they seem to believe.

No, not an attack at all. Basically we're all just tossing out our opinions and that's really all there is to it. I don't think there is a bonafide right or wrong to this topic.

[Knight165]

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While there was some interesting things in that show....I'm not convinced either way.

BUT...the problem with arguing the TOPIC(notice I didn't say PROBLEM) of global warming is that while I am open to hear either side....those that believe that global warming is...A. a problem and B. caused by man is that they don't want to hear anything that remotely hints that their view might not be correct(MOST people anyay).....so I pretty much find it pointless to argue as such.

One thing I will wholeheartedly agree with from the show is that the groups that protest that global warming are on the verge of being fanatics. Scary really.

M.K.
Knight165

[Freelance]

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Money.

There's billions in research headed campuses way if we can continue this global warming scare they've got going. No money goes their way if the earth is doing this on its own.

In the middle ages, the Vikings settled Greenland because it was lush and green. A couple of hundred years later, it was frozen in ice. How do we account for the warmth of the middle ages, which were warmer than today? There were no jets or SUVs to blame that on.

Hey, I think we all want the cleanest burning fuels possible. Absolutely. I would love to become independent of the Middle East and Hugo Chavez for our fuel sources.

But to jump to this radical global warming theory because of a movie, a political party's platform, and some money-grubbing science professors is not "science".

Many scientists, including some MIT and Princeton professors that have been studying global warming longer than ANY of these other scientists don't believe it's man-driven, so why should I?

Don't get caught up in the hysteria, folks.

[EWRMETS]

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Money.

There's billions in research headed campuses way if we can continue this global warming scare they've got going. No money goes their way if the earth is doing this on its own.

In the middle ages, the Vikings settled Greenland because it was lush and green. A couple of hundred years later, it was frozen in ice. How do we account for the warmth of the middle ages, which were warmer than today? There were no jets or SUVs to blame that on.

Hey, I think we all want the cleanest burning fuels possible. Absolutely. I would love to become independent of the Middle East and Hugo Chavez for our fuel sources.

But to jump to this radical global warming theory because of a movie, a political party's platform, and some money-grubbing science professors is not "science".

Many scientists, including some MIT and Princeton professors that have been studying global warming longer than ANY of these other scientists don't believe it's man-driven, so why should I?

Don't get caught up in the hysteria, folks.

I'll trust the global scientific community over conspiracy theories and Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/sc...tner=BREITBART

[bamalam]

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the "scientists" in favor of the global warming theory have presented a report to the UN with a solution to the problem...


A global tax to be paid the the UN.

[USF11]

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I'll trust the global scientific community over conspiracy theories and Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/sc...tner=BREITBART

You see your using 2 different sides of fanatics as a basis for your opinion. The global warming scientists get "paid" to research global warming they are out of jobs if they dont come up with something and Rush, who is such a shill to his party that his opinion should be disregarded as well.

You need people with no bias and those type of experts are far from decided on the issue.