The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Freelance]

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I'll trust the global scientific community over conspiracy theories and Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/sc...tner=BREITBART

There are MANY scientists that dispute this. And those who don't threaten to kick them off campuses and revoke their "membership" if they don't get on board right away.

Money, money, money, money.

[Knight165]

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I'll trust the global scientific community over conspiracy theories and Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/sc...tner=BREITBART

This was one of the MAIN points of the show.....that there are MANY, MANY scientists that DO NOT believe this to be a man made problem. They don't deny it's happening.....they just don't agree with the cause of what's happening.


M.K.
Knight165

[cch99]

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The sad thing is we may never know if Global Warming is the cause of the problems we are seeing now.

Until there is a way to 100% categorically prove it there are millions of people, maybe more who won't believe it.

Money, Power & Politics seems to drive everyhting anymore and people just don't know who to trust or who to believe.

It's a sad, sad world we live in right now.

I personally think that we are having a tremendous impact on the earth. Is it as bad as they say. i don't know, but I am a lot more with the group of rather being safe than sorry. I am pretty sure that doing good things for the environment aren't going to hurt it. I'd rather go with the knowing I am not hurting than the It might not be hurting, I am not sure so I just won't worry about it.

I also agree with the guy who said about one person making a difference. In my opinion saying I am just one person what difference do I make is just a cop-out. It's an easy way to feel better about making choices they make.

I myself have thought that in the past and when I look at myself in the mirror I know I am just being lazy or don't have the drive to make a difference. If you truly don't believe it that's one thing, but to say I am just one person is just a weak excuse.

[mjb2124]

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I also agree with the guy who said about one person making a difference. In my opinion saying I am just one person what difference do I make is just a cop-out. It's an easy way to feel better about making choices they make.

I myself have thought that in the past and when I look at myself in the mirror I know I am just being lazy or don't have the drive to make a difference. If you truly don't believe it that's one thing, but to say I am just one person is just a weak excuse.

So you think that if I were to buy a Hybrid in the next few months instead of a sports car with a lot of horsepower, I'd REALLY make that much of a difference? I doubt that... Maybe the county I live in should pay more attention to emissions and actually check them during an inspection? That would surely affect more than 1 individual and might actually make a sliver of difference. It's not a way to make one feel better about choices that are made (as I clearly showed above), but the realization that 1 individuals habits or choices aren't going to drastically change something as large as global warming (if it even exists).

On the flipside, maybe those that do these things need to do them to make them feel as though they are making a difference and that they are important in this area. Maybe they need that so when they look in the mirror they can feel better about the person they are and the person they want others to think they are?

[ExtremeGamer]

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So you think that if I were to buy a Hybrid in the next few months instead of a sports car with a lot of horsepower, I'd REALLY make that much of a difference? I doubt that... Maybe the county I live in should pay more attention to emissions and actually check them during an inspection? That would surely affect more than 1 individual and might actually make a sliver of difference. It's not a way to make one feel better about choices that are made (as I clearly showed above), but the realization that 1 individuals habits or choices can't change something as large as global warming (if it even exists).

On the flipside, maybe those that do these things need to do them to make them feel as though they are making a difference and that they are important in this area. Maybe they need that so when they look in the mirror they can feel better about the person they are and the person they want others to think they are?

I looked at a hybrid when I bought my car last fall. If they think I'm going to pay $28K for a Pirius or whatever that POS is called, they are nuts. It's like 90 horses, and seats 1 and a 1/2 people. No thanks. I just laughed at the guy when he showed it to me and told me the price.

[GeePee20]

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Gas Prices in Europe - European Gasoline and Diesel Prices
From James Martin,
Oct 6 2005
Find current gas prices in Europe and learn how to save money on gas
One of the big questions for budgeting a European vacation is the price of gas. In short, European prices are considerably higher than they are in America, about 2.3 x higher.
Make no mistake: the price of the raw gas is about the same as the U.S., but Europe taxes gasoline at a higher rate. At the moment, taxes in France make up about 70 percent of the pump price. For comparison, the U.S. federal gasoline tax of of 2005 was 18.4 cents per gallon, with each State adding between 10 and 33 cents of tax, according to Widipedia. That makes the maximum gasoline tax rate 17% in the U.S.

Source: http://goeurope.about.com/od/transpo...gas_prices.htm

Uh, so explain to us kiddies again how Europeans higher standards for gas mileage means more money in their pockets.

You should also note that lower down on that site it discusses diesel. Diesel is much cheaper in Europe and like that site says, they get more than 50 mpg.

http://www.see-search.com/business/fuelandpetrolpriceseurope.htm

Just because they have higher taxes than we do does not mean we have to legislate similar taxes. The price of gas would go down in this country if we all drove more fuel efficient cars because the demand for gas in this country would go skyrocketing down. Even if the prices stayed the same, wouldn't you love to get the mileage like they do in Europe? That could be possible if the government simply raised standards for gas mileage. California has already made legislation for higher gas mileage standards. There is no reason for you to disagree with that regardless of whether you believe in global warming unless you are the CEO of GM or Ford. Are you?

Seriously though, do you want to get 25 mpg or 50 mpg? 50 mpg means more money in your pockets.

As far as the hurricane's point.....you really don't get what he was saying? "If - Then" reasoning bro.

Surely I must be missing something here because I do not see the correlation of higher population causing more severe weather. If this is just a jab at the logic that global warming is causing severe weather, then that is silly because there is evidence supporting those notions.

And IF Al Gore runs for president again, why exactly are we coming back to talk to you?

He said global warming is all a scheme to get votes but Gore is not running for anything so that comment is just absurd.

More importantly though, where is the harm in taking precautions? If there was this much evidence that some country had nuclear weapons and they might attack us, everyone would be on board with taking precautions. How is this any different? Maybe it will make solar power companies richer or automakers like Toyota and Honda richer but the main reason why people in the government are so anti-global warming is because they are trying to protect the profits of oil companies and our American car companies. People will always be making money off of something. In the long run, the only entities being hurt by taking precautions for global warming are the oil companies. But we can all agree that we need to get away from oil because it is a very limited resource, not to mention some of the worst governments in the world hold over 50% of the world's oil. American car companies will learn to switch to more efficient cars and they will be fine. Again, where is the harm in taking precautions?

[EWRMETS]

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There are MANY scientists that dispute this. And those who don't threaten to kick them off campuses and revoke their "membership" if they don't get on board right away.

Money, money, money, money.

You're responding to facts with crazy allegations. If anything, the opposite has actually been documented.

[GeePee20]

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I looked at a hybrid when I bought my car last fall. If they think I'm going to pay $28K for a Pirius or whatever that POS is called, they are nuts. It's like 90 horses, and seats 1 and a 1/2 people. No thanks. I just laughed at the guy when he showed it to me and told me the price.

The seat issue is BS. I am 6'4" and I fit very comfortably in the backseat. More comfortably than I do in a Lexus GX470 which is a big SUV.

And maybe you should've drove it before saying it has no power. It is very enjoyable car to drive I must say.

[bamalam]

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1. global warmists say the scientific consensus is that humans are causing it.


you cannot have a consensus in science. we do not get to vote on what science is, and make it so. science is found to be true by determininng tests that prove, thru verified evidence, a theory one way or another, not because a consensus has been formed.

global warming caused by humans is an unproved theory. much evidence
is available that directly questions human activity being the cause

2. but the warmists want to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. why not go slow, test further, and listen to all sides before we totally cripple our economy and give away a chunk of national sovereignty to the UN. It is a major power grab by the globalists.

3.un already wants a global tax on all nations to "fight" global warming. the guy who is about to become the next PM of England is about to announce that there needs to be a "New World Order" to address global warming.

global tax another step to global rule. bye-bye U.S.

[UNC_Pete]

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I'm 6'5" and can fit in my Corolla just fine.

[EWRMETS]

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1. global warmists say the scientific consensus is that humans are causing it.


you cannot have a consensus in science. we do not get to vote on what science is, and make it so. science is found to be true by determininng tests that prove, thru verified evidence, a theory one way or another, not because a consensus has been formed.

global warming caused by humans is an unproved theory. much evidence
is available that directly questions human activity being the cause

2. but the warmists want to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. why not go slow, test further, and listen to all sides before we totally cripple our economy and give away a chunk of national sovereignty to the UN. It is a major power grab by the globalists.

3.un already wants a global tax on all nations to "fight" global warming. the guy who is about to become the next PM of England is about to announce that there needs to be a "New World Order" to address global warming.

global tax another step to global rule. bye-bye U.S.

Apparently you don't want to listen to both sides because you are trying to discredit the scientists who believe humans have caused global warming as crazed globalists who want to destroy America.

[LionsFan20]

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Whoever said the Prius has no power does NOT know what they are talking about. I was a Toyota Mechanic, the electric motor in the hybrid provide full torque at ALL times. When you floor the gas pedal the gas motor and electric motor BOTH drive the wheels, making it suprisingly fast.

[mjb2124]

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Whoever said the Prius has no power does NOT know what they are talking about. I was a Toyota Mechanic, the electric motor in the hybrid provide full torque at ALL times. When you floor the gas pedal the gas motor and electric motor BOTH drive the wheels, making it suprisingly fast.

Maybe it's all in what one deems as having enough power?

I wasn't the one who made the comment nor have I test drove a Prius (honestly, I just don't like their styling), so that is why I'm inquiring about this. Most publications and car magazines report the 0-60 times in the Prius in the 10+ second range and the 1/4 mile times in the 17 second range. That makes me wonder how much power the car really does have. My current daily driver is the fastest car I've driven for an extended period of time, has 225hp and goes 0-60 in 7.5 and I think that lacks power.

[GeePee20]

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Hybrid technology is new, very new. The power is good today but as the technology becomes more refined, it will become more powerful. If the U.S. had better mileage restrictions on cars, manufacturers would ultimately spend a lot more time trying to make hybrids and electrics much more powerful.

Then again, the U.S. could always just reduce our ridiculous defense budget and spend more on alternative fuel research.

The sad thing about this whole issue is that it has become a political issue when it really is not. If some guy in the Republican party was the champion behind this instead of Al Gore, you can bet right wingers would be behind it and a lot less lefties would be.

This is a human issue and we shouldn't be afraid to take precautions against it just because the main guy supporting these measures happens to be a "big bad smelly tree hugging" democrat.

Wars have been started using significantly less evidence and in this, nobody dies if we take action.

[jmood88]

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Hybrid technology is new, very new. The power is good today but as the technology becomes more refined, it will become more powerful. If the U.S. had better mileage restrictions on cars, manufacturers would ultimately spend a lot more time trying to make hybrids and electrics much more powerful.

Then again, the U.S. could always just reduce our ridiculous defense budget and spend more on alternative fuel research.

The sad thing about this whole issue is that it has become a political issue when it really is not. If some guy in the Republican party was the champion behind this instead of Al Gore, you can bet right wingers would be behind it and a lot less lefties would be.

This is a human issue and we shouldn't be afraid to take precautions against it just because the main guy supporting these measures happens to be a "big bad smelly tree hugging" democrat.

Wars have been started using significantly less evidence and in this, nobody dies if we take action.

I just don't get why people are so against trying to actually make the environment better. Using alternative fuel sources doesn't kill anyone but it would cut down on the smog around cities and make them smell a lot better.