Saw 4

[Blzer]

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- I was hoping to see more of the Jeff trying to find his daughter storyline. We still don't know if she's alive or not.

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She's gotta be alive. Remember the scene near the beginning?


"Boy or girl?"

"Girl. It's a short story, really."




Meh, it was something like that.

[Brandwin]

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About to head out now to see it. Not expecting much, so I doubt I will be disappointed.

[ExtremeGamer]

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MOVIE SUCKED!!!!

Big time, I mean, sucked. After the crappy Saw 3, I was hoping it would change, but now, Saw 3 is Ben Hur compared to that pile of dung I just sat through.

Was I the only one that thought that Detective Strahm or whatever, looked exactly like Jason Lee? Kept freaking me out.

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-The autopsy, totally un-needed and goes back to my over gore for gore's sake complaint.

-I do not get why the F Jigsaw was back in the room where everyone was dead. It was like, it just happened based on the bodies, and why the hell would Jeff walk back in there to begin with!? It made absolutely no sense.

-Five minutes into the movie, I predicted Hoffman was the twist, it was obvious when he walked in the autopsy room. New character who supposedly was the main cop the entire time, right. When he was "captured", it was even more obvious.

-I'm guessing Eric Matthews won't be back for Saw V? LOL

-Jeff's daughter is obviously with Hoffman somewhere, but what's the point? Her dad's dead, mom's dead.... have fun explaining that plot story.

-So, what happens to Jigsaw's wife now? And really, who cares?

-Why did Strahm and his idiot partner go searching on their own with no backup, and why did Strahm go to the Gideon plant alone? Whatever city that is, the cops are morons.

Probably more, but I don't even care, just a terrible movie. I'm sick of horror remakes and crap films to make a buck. Saw has done it back to back years, put some schlop out there, people will see it, and money will be made. We're such sheep


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Oh, and the fact that they are remaking The Eye and having Jessica Alba in it, makes me want to make the entire horror genre just die off. I had no idea that was coming, but I literally booed in the theater when the preview played as my buddies laughed. Yes, I was that *******

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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She's gotta be alive. Remember the scene near the beginning?


"Boy or girl?"

"Girl. It's a short story, really."




Meh, it was something like that.

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I don't remember that scene. I have to get the DVD to rewatch it.

I also noticed Jigsaw likes to give people "choices" in their death traps but the fat guy didn't really have a choice. He chose to get his eyes gouged out and his body was still ripped apart.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I don't remember that scene. I have to get the DVD to rewatch it.

I also noticed Jigsaw likes to give people "choices" in their death traps but the fat guy didn't really have a choice. He chose to get his eyes gouged out and his body was still ripped apart.

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It was early on when they were asking about the video that Rigg was watching.

Actually no, he didn't hit the other button in time. It ticked out and he was tore to shreds.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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It was early on when they were asking about the video that Rigg was watching.

Actually no, he didn't hit the other button in time. It ticked out and he was tore to shreds.

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Oh yeah now I remember he didn't hit the button. I can't wait to get the DVD.

I really like the Jigsaw character but everytime I see Tobin Bell on screen, I think of him as Peter Kingsley.

Did anybody else get the Rambo trailer before Saw 4? I cracked up because the movie looks so awful.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Oh yeah now I remember he didn't hit the button. I can't wait to get the DVD.

I really like the Jigsaw character but everytime I see Tobin Bell on screen, I think of him as Peter Kingsley.

Did anybody else get the Rambo trailer before Saw 4? I cracked up because the movie looks so awful.

Yes, Rambo looks like absolute garbage, obviously the studio feels the same since it's coming out in January.

[ExtremeGamer]

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OK, I get it now. Saw 4 definitely runs the same time as Saw 3. The beginning of Saw 4, is actually the end, it happens after the rest of the events of the movie. It makes more sense now that Hoffman showed up. Ok, had to think about that, but it makes sense at least now.

Movie still sucked

[Blzer]

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Movie still sucked

I agree, and I think they should have saved the script for a new set of writers to completely rewrite it into a brand new kind of suspense or mystery movie. Not horror, and not a Saw copycat either. Definitely another director, as well.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Ok, with my last post, I now get why Jeff walked back in the room, it was actually his first trip in the room, explaining how he "saw" his wife with her head still on her head.

Ok, still too much thinking for a bad movie, I'm done. Still sucked

[ExtremeGamer]

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Dammit, why do I keep doing this. Ok, back to confused. Yes, the beginning of Saw 4 is after the entire movie, BUT, where is Strahm? (he was locked with Jigsaw, Jigsaw is now in the morgue, so at some point they got Jigsaw out) So, is Saw 5 going to start before Saw 4 ends? It's like a bad Tarantino flick (isn't that an oxymoron or what? LOL)

[Blzer]

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EG, read my earlier posts; I posted the same plot hole, along with many others:

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At first I thought there weren't too many plot holes, but then some came to mind later:


- During the scene that they find Kerry (her first name is actually Allison haha didn't know that), they discuss how Amanda couldn't have lifted Kerry up in the trap because of weight difference. Is it okay if I ask how these detectives figured out Amanda was Jigsaw's apprentice? If I recall correctly, Saw III and Saw IV took place at the same time, and while investigating Troy's trap Kerry pointed out Jigsaw couldn't have done this. That night, she was killed, and some time after (probably that night or the next day) was the time they discovered her. That doesn't make sense, even Kerry didn't know until she saw Amanda pop out of the shadows.

- Hoffman closed and locked Agent Strahm in the room with a dead Jeff, Lynn, Jigsaw, and Amanda. He didn't kill him. We learn the autopsy scene occurs after these events, so somehow somebody found John and brought him to the morgue. What about Strahm? Where did he go? Wouldn't he rat out Hoffman? And also note that it couldn't have been too long after because the coroner says the body was still fresh. Couldn't have been a couple of weeks or anything.

- Why was Rigg in a game? Doesn't Jigsaw test people that have a sinful flaw in themselves? Rigg was a S.W.A.T. commander that did nothing but save lives; always tried to do the right thing, as a matter of fact. If they tested him because he was too kind to everybody, that's not a flaw. He obviously wasn't a pushover, either. Remember when he assaulted the abusive father because they wouldn't detain him without evidence? He wasn't just letting that slide. His game made sense, no doubt... but that's just not Jigsaw. He doesn't test constant do-gooders. He punished Rigg for trying to help people... sounds like Jigsaw is a hypocrite now.

- Not really a plot hole per se, but just plain stupidity. Rigg wasn't captured, he was sedated and put in his bathtub. Essentially, he was a free man (though his knives we taken away). How long does it take to FIND A ****ING PHONE and call the rest of his team to help him in these games that he has to play?

- Obviously, Hoffman wasn't captured by somebody else, because he had to fake his being tied down to the chair. So I guess that means he had to be in there before Art put Eric in the noose. Wouldn't Art be a little more curious about what's going on here? Doesn't there need to be an Eric counterweight so that the seesaw-like bottom doesn't put weight on Hoffman's side? Doesn't make any sense that Hoffman could get there before Eric or Art.

- Sort of like with Rigg, but plain and simply... why is Art being tested? Because John wouldn't do a project with him and told him to "get the **** out"? Not only that, but he's tested once (with another guy for, again, NO reason), and then he's put in a SECOND trap. I still don't understand why Eric wasn't released by now, either. Poor guy... he just wanted his son. He fought for so long, and the writers decide to say "**** him" and go Final Destination on us and smash the guy's head.





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If you want my opinion, now that I think more about it, Jigsaw wasn't "testing" Rigg... he was training Rigg. He was teaching him how to truly save a life, only so he can perhaps take place of John when he dies.

I mean, why else would we waste a character like Eric? What do I mean by that? I mean another plot hole. Think of this:

- Jeff is supposed to save his daughter.
- Strahm is going to kill an innocent man.
- Strahm kills Jeff.

So what is the point of telling Jeff that he needs to save his daughter if he is going to be killed?

That's just one example. Now for Eric... his game is over, but it takes 6 months for him to actually die. John had plans for him to die no matter which way... whether it was to rot in the bathroom, be killed by Amanda, or be killed by Rigg at the end of Saw IV (unless of course, Rigg saved him by not saving him, which he didn't save him meaning he tried to save him). Rigg is the only reason he kept Eric alive, IMO.

In a way, Jeff's daughter was ****ed from the get go. Of course, Hoffman has plans for her (remember the stuffed animal), but Jeff had to chance if the all new psychic John Kramer knew Strahm was going to kill Jeff.

Now if you ask me, while people could actually come up with potential intelligent answers for some of these plot holes, I am going to chalk them up as unintentional errors on the writers, that didn't think that there was an answer behind these things that we should come up with. I think they were just plain mistakes, even though we could make some conjectures on our own.

[CaptainZombie]

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If you want my opinion, now that I think more about it, Jigsaw wasn't "testing" Rigg... he was training Rigg. He was teaching him how to truly save a life, only so he can perhaps take place of John when he dies.

I mean, why else would we waste a character like Eric? What do I mean by that? I mean another plot hole. Think of this:

- Jeff is supposed to save his daughter.
- Straum is going to kill an innocent man.
- Straum kills Jeff.

So what is the point of telling Jeff that he needs to save his daughter if he is going to be killed?

That's just one example. Now for Eric... his game is over, but it takes 6 months for him to actually die. John had plans for him to die no matter which way... whether it was to rot in the bathroom, be killed by Amanda, or be killed by Rigg at the end of Saw IV (unless of course, Rigg saved him by not saving him, which he didn't save him meaning he tried to save him). Rigg is the only reason he kept Eric alive, IMO.

In a way, Jeff's daughter was ****ed from the get go. Of course, Hoffman has plans for her (remember the stuffed animal), but Jeff had to chance if the all new psychic John Kramer knew Strahm was going to kill Jeff.

I'm going to blame Darren for this, yet again.

Very interesting thoughts on training Rigg more so than testing him.

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OK, I get it now. Saw 4 definitely runs the same time as Saw 3. The beginning of Saw 4, is actually the end, it happens after the rest of the events of the movie. It makes more sense now that Hoffman showed up. Ok, had to think about that, but it makes sense at least now.

Movie still sucked

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Ok, with my last post, I now get why Jeff walked back in the room, it was actually his first trip in the room, explaining how he "saw" his wife with her head still on her head.

Ok, still too much thinking for a bad movie, I'm done. Still sucked

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Dammit, why do I keep doing this. Ok, back to confused. Yes, the beginning of Saw 4 is after the entire movie, BUT, where is Strahm? (he was locked with Jigsaw, Jigsaw is now in the morgue, so at some point they got Jigsaw out) So, is Saw 5 going to start before Saw 4 ends? It's like a bad Tarantino flick (isn't that an oxymoron or what? LOL)

See EG, your starting to warm up with this flick. I think that once you start realizing that this movie runs parallel to SAW III, its not that bad of a movie. I really enjoyed this movie and can't wait for the DVD release, it helped tie up some loose ends from the first 3 movies and then created some new ones for SAW V and VI. Best of all, this movie was more about telling the story of Jigsaw and the traps became secondary which was a good thing.

I have been to bloody-disgusting.com and the majority of the posters there enjoyed it and there were many that didn't.

[Bruins]

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If you're confused by the ending:



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The first sequences of John's autopsy are the actual end, only shown in the beginning to confuse us/assure the viewer that Jigsaw is dead.

The events of Saw III and IV are parallel. The end takes place in the Saw III building.

The events of Rigg's story and Agent Straham going after him happened close to simultaneously: and meanwhile, Lynn Denlon's and Jeff's plotlines take place.

The chonological events go: Jeff (Saw III) kills John and Amanda; subsequently, doctor Lynn dies. Rigg steps in the room where Mathews, Art and Hoffman are. Mathews dies. Agent Straham enters Jigsaw's "improvised hospital" and sees the mess Jeff has made, thinking he's the co-conspirator and shooting him. Hoffman reveals himself as the new Jigsaw, kills Art and locks Rigg in. Hoffman exits the trap room to enter the Saw III scenario. He sees Straham in the "hospital" and locks him in.

From here, Hoffman is the only one to know where Jigsaw's body is. That is how he retrieves it. Note that it's agent Hoffman we see at Jigsaw's autopsy, not agent Straham.

[joer625]

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it will be interesting to see how hoffman plays off being a cop and jigsaw now...who will he target? cops still?