Saw 4

[chance]

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If you're confused by the ending:



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The first sequences of John's autopsy are the actual end, only shown in the beginning to confuse us/assure the viewer that Jigsaw is dead.

The events of Saw III and IV are parallel. The end takes place in the Saw III building.

The events of Rigg's story and Agent Straham going after him happened close to simultaneously: and meanwhile, Lynn Denlon's and Jeff's plotlines take place.

The chonological events go: Jeff (Saw III) kills John and Amanda; subsequently, doctor Lynn dies. Rigg steps in the room where Mathews, Art and Hoffman are. Mathews dies. Agent Straham enters Jigsaw's "improvised hospital" and sees the mess Jeff has made, thinking he's the co-conspirator and shooting him. Hoffman reveals himself as the new Jigsaw, kills Art and locks Rigg in. Hoffman exits the trap room to enter the Saw III scenario. He sees Straham in the "hospital" and locks him in.

From here, Hoffman is the only one to know where Jigsaw's body is. That is how he retrieves it. Note that it's agent Hoffman we see at Jigsaw's autopsy, not agent Straham.

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Yeah I think some may have got those two mixed up. But the only thing still getting at me is when they found Kerry how does Straham even know about Amanda??? Some of it is just not all adding up and they are killing me with how smart they are making Jigsaw and how he just knows everything a person will do how a plan just happens to come out a 100% the way it needs to be for his sake.


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[Blzer]

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Yeah I think some may have got those two mixed up. But the only thing still getting at me is when they found Kerry how does Straham even know about Amanda??? Some of it is just not all adding up and they are killing me with how smart they are making Jigsaw and how he just knows everything a person will do how a plan just happens to come out a 100% the way it needs to be for his sake.


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Just a plot hole, chance. I have many more on page 15 (assuming you're doing 10 posts per page).

[Blzer]

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it will be interesting to see how hoffman plays off being a cop and jigsaw now...who will he target? cops still?

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Hoffman is not the new Jigsaw. At least, that's not what John thinks.

"You think it is over? You think you will go untested? You are wrong." (or it's something like that)


Obviously, there's another upper hand. Who knows? It could even be Rigg. I think he finally realized how to save a life, and his training may now finally be complete. We never do see him die, and it's perfect misdirection. We can use that twist for Saw V and save Lawrence for Saw VI.

[ExtremeGamer]

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If you're confused by the ending:



SPOILERS........................................



The first sequences of John's autopsy are the actual end, only shown in the beginning to confuse us/assure the viewer that Jigsaw is dead.

The events of Saw III and IV are parallel. The end takes place in the Saw III building.

The events of Rigg's story and Agent Straham going after him happened close to simultaneously: and meanwhile, Lynn Denlon's and Jeff's plotlines take place.

The chonological events go: Jeff (Saw III) kills John and Amanda; subsequently, doctor Lynn dies. Rigg steps in the room where Mathews, Art and Hoffman are. Mathews dies. Agent Straham enters Jigsaw's "improvised hospital" and sees the mess Jeff has made, thinking he's the co-conspirator and shooting him. Hoffman reveals himself as the new Jigsaw, kills Art and locks Rigg in. Hoffman exits the trap room to enter the Saw III scenario. He sees Straham in the "hospital" and locks him in.

From here, Hoffman is the only one to know where Jigsaw's body is. That is how he retrieves it. Note that it's agent Hoffman we see at Jigsaw's autopsy, not agent Straham.

You copied that exactly from someone on IMDB...LOL

[ExtremeGamer]

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See EG, your starting to warm up with this flick. I think that once you start realizing that this movie runs parallel to SAW III, its not that bad of a movie. I really enjoyed this movie and can't wait for the DVD release, it helped tie up some loose ends from the first 3 movies and then created some new ones for SAW V and VI. Best of all, this movie was more about telling the story of Jigsaw and the traps became secondary which was a good thing.

I have been to bloody-disgusting.com and the majority of the posters there enjoyed it and there were many that didn't.

So, I thought about this movie laying in bed last night. To the point where you're right, I want to see it again. DAMN YOU SAW! I popped in Saw 3 (I'm a sheep, what can I say) and I actually liked it, AFTER seeing Saw 4.

This isn't the first time I've hated a movie and had it grow on me later on, it's usually after a viewing or 2, but just breaking it down, with Saw 3 fresh in my mind, I gotta say I was wrong and Saw 4 wasn't terrible. Still not a great horror flick, but it did it's job.

The Jason Lee cop looking guy still bothered me.

I'm such a tool.

[CaptainZombie]

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If you're confused by the ending:

SPOILERS........................................

The first sequences of John's autopsy are the actual end, only shown in the beginning to confuse us/assure the viewer that Jigsaw is dead.

The events of Saw III and IV are parallel. The end takes place in the Saw III building.

The events of Rigg's story and Agent Straham going after him happened close to simultaneously: and meanwhile, Lynn Denlon's and Jeff's plotlines take place.

The chonological events go: Jeff (Saw III) kills John and Amanda; subsequently, doctor Lynn dies. Rigg steps in the room where Mathews, Art and Hoffman are. Mathews dies. Agent Straham enters Jigsaw's "improvised hospital" and sees the mess Jeff has made, thinking he's the co-conspirator and shooting him. Hoffman reveals himself as the new Jigsaw, kills Art and locks Rigg in. Hoffman exits the trap room to enter the Saw III scenario. He sees Straham in the "hospital" and locks him in.

From here, Hoffman is the only one to know where Jigsaw's body is. That is how he retrieves it. Note that it's agent Hoffman we see at Jigsaw's autopsy, not agent Straham.

I have this feeling that with SAW V, we will see Straham play the "game" and be "tested" and what will happen in the end to cause more confusion is that we will see Hoffman take John/Jigsaw to the morgue saying that he found him.

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Yeah I think some may have got those two mixed up. But the only thing still getting at me is when they found Kerry how does Straham even know about Amanda??? Some of it is just not all adding up and they are killing me with how smart they are making Jigsaw and how he just knows everything a person will do how a plan just happens to come out a 100% the way it needs to be for his sake.

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Unless Straham is working with Hoffman or it gets explained in SAW V, because that is one big plot hole that they hopefully explain.

Just a plot hole, chance. I have many more on page 15 (assuming you're doing 10 posts per page).

Page 15 and 16/17, Blzer and I try to explain a few of the plotholes just based off of what we know so far, but their just theories.

I still have this sneaking suspicion that Dr. Lawrence Gordon is still alive. We never saw if he made it out alive or not. I would hate for them to bring him back as the mastermind behind all of this, but I wonder if we haven't seen the last of him in one way or another. He would have traveled down the same corridor that Eric Mathews did, so that means Jigsaw or Amanda would have found him considering that he only had 1 foot so he couldn't of gotten far. If he learned his lesson, I doubt Amanda or Jigsaw would have killed him on the way out.

But here is the kicker, if he got free, he would have informed the police so they would have found Jigsaw's warehouse. If he went to his family, the police were there so he would have still had to tell them what was up, unless he lied saying something else happened to him.......but he spoke to his wife briefly on the cell phone in SAW so she would have known about some of the trouble that they were both in.

Did Dr. Gordon live or die? This is a harder question to answer as originally SAW was to be a 1 shot movie and that was it, but due to its success they went on to make 3 sequels, so I highly doubt when SAW was being thought about that the writing team was thinking about SAW II-VI. LOL!

I still feel that Dr. Gordon will somehow still play a role in the end.

[CaptainZombie]

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So, I thought about this movie laying in bed last night. To the point where you're right, I want to see it again. DAMN YOU SAW! I popped in Saw 3 (I'm a sheep, what can I say) and I actually liked it, AFTER seeing Saw 4.

This isn't the first time I've hated a movie and had it grow on me later on, it's usually after a viewing or 2, but just breaking it down, with Saw 3 fresh in my mind, I gotta say I was wrong and Saw 4 wasn't terrible. Still not a great horror flick, but it did it's job.

The Jason Lee cop looking guy still bothered me.

I'm such a tool.

EG, I absolutely loved this movie and I'm such a tool myself that I changed my username to Jigsaw. LOL! On Saturday night when I got back from the theater I told my wife that we have to watch all 3 SAW's again, so we watched SAW and SAW II.......plan to get to SAW III this week before we go to the theater to see this which will be my second time and her first time.

I think one reason why I think that SAW IV is so ****in' fantastic is that it ties up loose ends from SAW I-III to a degree, while opens up new ones to set the tone for SAW V and VI. I absolutely loved that they explained the origins of John/Jigsaw and what made him tick. We now know that Billy is the son that Jigsaw would of had (my perception of what Billy became), which makes that damn doll even creepier than before. It made me even happier that the traps played second fiddle to the story which is what I really liked.

If anyone noticed this and I didn't mention it yet, almost all of the traps were DISMEMBERMENT traps in SAW IV which would have meant that they weren't engineered by Jigsaw. These traps were different than what he would have created in the past movies, does anyone think differently? From the beginning where Art and Bart are tied together by a chain which would have ripped off their heads, to the girl tied to the girls hair tied to the trap that would have taken her scalp and maybe head off to the fat dude in the hotel that had his limbs ripped apart.

It was very cool that Addison was explained a bit further, even though it was for a few minutes that we learn she was a hooker even though Xavier in SAW II mentions that she is one. The reason she was in SAW II, Addison was the reason John was held up a bit longer in the car as Jill was ready to leave the clinic only to get her baby crushed by Cecil.

Agent Perez, this one is a mystery to me............was she next to play the game? There was a tape for her, but kaboom goes Billy's face causing her to get blinded + shards of glass/ceramic in her face.

I was reading on another horror forum that the new SAW III: Director's Cut DVD adds 6 minutes to the movie which helps explain things a bit further. I'm hoping that I could find a copy of this in ways I can't talk about here, unless Netflix carries double dips of movies just to see those extra 6 minutes. But a lot of the explaining has to do with the character Jeff.

Who are you guys calling the Jason Lee cop?

[ExtremeGamer]

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Strahm looked just like Jason Lee to me.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Saw 3 DC details. Most of it is in the unrated besides the ending.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_III

This version of Saw III is the definitive one that Darren Lynn Bousman had originally intended (prior to being forced to edit the film seven times by the MPAA to achieve the R rating for the theatrical release), with a total running time of 120 minutes. A deleted scene reincorporated into this version of the film depicts a brutal catfight between Amanda (Shawnee Smith) and Lynn (Bahar Soomekh). In another added scene, Amanda appears to be having nightmares about kidnapping Adam before she finally decides to give him a mercy killing. This scene also reveals Jigsaw knew Amanda killed Adam. Also included is the original ending, which shows Jeff stumbling over to Lynn then screaming as the credits began.
A clip posted on YouTube by someone who appears to have received the Director's Cut early showcases the new alternate ending. In this version, after Jeff slices John's throat with the power saw, John pulls out a tape, just like the theatrical version. However, he flatlines before he is able to play the tape, and Lynn's collar detonates, blowing her head apart as Jeff dives to avoid the spray of blood and brains. A rapid montage of Jigsaw's traps and villains then flashes by. When Jeff regains his senses, he stumbles over to Lynn's remains, muttering, "I'm gonna get us out of here now, okay? Your beautiful hair...your beautiful hair..." As he lies next to her and kisses her hand, he plays the tape that fell from John's hand. It is the same message as in the theatrical version, albeit in a more threatening tone. As Jeff listens to the tape, and his daughter's predicament is revealed, he stands up slowly, face contorting with rage and sorrow. As the tape ends, Jeff screams, and the film cuts to black.

In reading that, there was a dead give away that the movies were running at the same time early on. The one cop mentioned to Hoffman that another doctor went missing. The first being Gordon, the 2nd being Lynn. I just assumed it was a 3rd doctor when I saw it last night, but now it makes sense that it was Lynn they were talking about.

[CaptainZombie]

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Saw 3 DC details. Most of it is in the unrated besides the ending.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_III

In reading that, there was a dead give away that the movies were running at the same time early on. The one cop mentioned to Hoffman that another doctor went missing. The first being Gordon, the 2nd being Lynn. I just assumed it was a 3rd doctor when I saw it last night, but now it makes sense that it was Lynn they were talking about.

I wonder if we will ever see this version on BluRay? This was the version that I was talking about, but never read any of the deleted scenes that you posted. Over at Bloody-disgusting, many were praising this version of SAW III over the previous unrated version. Thanks EG, I'll have to check out that Youtube version and see if Netflix carries this one so I can add it to my que.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I wonder if we will ever see this version on BluRay? This was the version that I was talking about, but never read any of the deleted scenes that you posted. Over at Bloody-disgusting, many were praising this version of SAW III over the previous unrated version. Thanks EG, I'll have to check out that Youtube version and see if Netflix carries this one so I can add it to my que.

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No clue, it doesn't sound any better to me. Pretty much the same, I don't like the ending at all though. It works better with Jigsaw putting the tape in the recorder, not Jeff.

[CaptainZombie]

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No clue, it doesn't sound any better to me. Pretty much the same, I don't like the ending at all though. It works better with Jigsaw putting the tape in the recorder, not Jeff.

I'll agree with you on that ending.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I'll agree with you on that ending.

Then why do you want it? It's the same besides the ending, cat fight, and Amanda's nightmares. Other than that, it's exactly the same as the unrated. Read the forums on IMDB.com, most over there feel the unrated cut is a better version of the film, mainly due to the ending.

Besides the end, both of the other scenes were deleted scenes I do believe on the previous DVD.

[Bruins]

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You copied that exactly from someone on IMDB...LOL

[CaptainZombie]

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Then why do you want it? It's the same besides the ending, cat fight, and Amanda's nightmares. Other than that, it's exactly the same as the unrated. Read the forums on IMDB.com, most over there feel the unrated cut is a better version of the film, mainly due to the ending.

Besides the end, both of the other scenes were deleted scenes I do believe on the previous DVD.

If I could rent it, it doesn't hurt to check it out but I wouldn't buy this DVD since that would be the third time buying SAW III via some different version.

I had the original Unrated, sold it when the BluRay came out. I can't remember if the BluRay had those deleted scenes, I'll have to check it out.