Saw 4

[Blzer]

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It's not like I'm losing sleep over them. I just like to get my points across and hope that everybody else can "see what I see".

Case in point, if John is dead for the next (and final) three movies, then I'm seeing a second trilogy... one that wraps up its own series, and one that also wraps up the entire hexilogy with a bang (enter Lawrence).

[ExtremeGamer]

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It's not like I'm losing sleep over them. I just like to get my points across and hope that everybody else can "see what I see".

Case in point, if John is dead for the next (and final) three movies, then I'm seeing a second trilogy... one that wraps up its own series, and one that also wraps up the entire hexilogy with a bang (enter Lawrence).

Considering Tobin Bell signed on for the Saw 5 and 6, I'm guessing that's not gonna happen.

[Blzer]

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Considering Tobin Bell signed on for the Saw 5 and 6, I'm guessing that's not gonna happen.

Are you implying he's alive?



This would have been a funny Saw IV ending (SPOILERS):



So the movie ends with Hoffman listening to the tape, right? That would be funny if, while listening to it, the camera pans around him much like Adam in Saw, and in the background is John. Then it stops and we see him rising out of the bed, much like Saw and him on the floor. Costas gives him that look that Leigh gave him, and he tears off the bloody makeup, only he's wearing a massive suit and he tears it all off, and there's John, in perfect form. Hoffman is about to take him down, then suddenly he realizes he's in a shackle (like Eric at the end of Saw II). He goes for his holster, but his gun is missing, and John goes, "Looking for this?" As he smiles and waves it. Then walks out with a "Game over."


Cheesy as hell and oh so funny, but that would be the most shocking ending of all time.

[CaptainZombie]

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SPOILERS..............................

Just to clear things up, because I'm not sure which way everybody is talking about this:

There are three versions out now: the theatrical, the unrated, and the director's cut. The theatrical is the one that ends on John and cuts to black; the unrated is the one that ends on Lynn and fades to white; the director's cut has the completely different ending.

You've never seen the unrated version? That's the ending on that disc.

Yes, I've seen the Theatrical and Unrated..........but haven't seen this Director's Cut version. Now I think I'm getting confused here. LOL!

Yeah, I agree with the above poster, you need a break from the Saw movies.

Again, the 3rd movie was never the end, too many loose ends to be an "end". And your buddy Leigh Whannell produced it, so obviously he didn't feel it was the end.

End of story, not a trilogy.

Blzer, SAW was originally meant to be a one off picture as you already know. At some point it was going to be a trilogy, then the door opened for this to turn into a sixtology right before SAW III hit theaters.

Star Wars has two separate trilogies.

And may I remind you (or tell you for the first time) that those cliffhangers weren't included in the original script. In the original script, Amanda kills Eric, there is no wax on the tape, there is no envelope for Amanda, and Jeff is left to rot in the room with his daughter. Aside from Dr. Gordon, everything else is pretty much answered. Those stupid, unnecessary cliffhangers (where only 2.5 of the 4 were answered in Saw IV) allowed them to go on, that once again weren't in the original script.

When you look at SAW III, it could have very well ended the series with us just sitting there wondering what would have happened to Jeff, his daughter, Eric Mathews, etc. But the writing team used all this as a gateway to SAW IV-VI's storyline.

Comparing Saw to Star Wars? Come on now.

No trilogy, I don't care what the original script said. If it said that was supposed to end, then it's the producer's job to make sure it ends, not the director. Argue all you want, but there's 4 Saw movies.. trilogy equals 3.

I mean you need a break because you get so upset and worked up over them. It's a movie, nothing else.

It's not like I'm losing sleep over them. I just like to get my points across and hope that everybody else can "see what I see".

Case in point, if John is dead for the next (and final) three movies, then I'm seeing a second trilogy... one that wraps up its own series, and one that also wraps up the entire hexilogy with a bang (enter Lawrence).

Considering Tobin Bell signed on for the Saw 5 and 6, I'm guessing that's not gonna happen.

Blzer, John/Tobin Bell is signed all the way to SAW VI and no matter how you want to look at it my friend.........this is a sixtology/hexiology, whatever the **** you want to call it. LOL! It is a sixtology and not seperate storylines because every movie in one way or another has a connection to each other. So far with SAW II-IV, they haven't gone back really to SAW like I thought they would have except for Amanda scenes.

I still say that with SAW VI, it will all come full circle back to SAW. We never heard or saw (no pun) what happened with Dr. Gordon. I have a feeling that he will either be behind all of this or he will be the protaganist come SAW VI. I just have this feeling that were not done with SAW I yet or it's story.

Look at what they did, went back and used Addison from SAW II in SAW IV as the hooker that came to John's vehicle as he was waiting for Jill to get out. What's the story on Xavier which wasn't really explained from SAW II or some of the other people............will we see a bit more about some of these characters possibly having interacted in some way with Jigsaw's past? Many of them were druggies...................so can they be also tied back to the clinic?

WOW! Talk about us over analyzing this stuff, but I think its very neat with the discussions were having here.

[CaptainZombie]

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Are you implying he's alive?



This would have been a funny Saw IV ending (SPOILERS):



So the movie ends with Hoffman listening to the tape, right? That would be funny if, while listening to it, the camera pans around him much like Adam in Saw, and in the background is John. Then it stops and we see him rising out of the bed, much like Saw and him on the floor. Costas gives him that look that Leigh gave him, and he tears off the bloody makeup, only he's wearing a massive suit and he tears it all off, and there's John, in perfect form. Hoffman is about to take him down, then suddenly he realizes he's in a shackle (like Eric at the end of Saw II). He goes for his holster, but his gun is missing, and John goes, "Looking for this?" As he smiles and waves it. Then walks out with a "Game over."


Cheesy as hell and oh so funny, but that would be the most shocking ending of all time.

That would have been something neat.

[ExtremeGamer]

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You mentioned Addison, what about Obi (wan), we never got the story on him either.

(there's the Star Wars reference again )

[CaptainZombie]

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You mentioned Addison, what about Obi (wan), we never got the story on him either.

(there's the Star Wars reference again )

LOL! Obi is another person..........add Xavier, Laura, Jonas, Gus to that list. I think some of these other characters may have had some connection with the drug clinic that Jill was affiliated with. With due time, I bet we find out about them too as these guys might wrap every hole they have left open by SAW VI. Or for that matter, lets go back to SAW.............what is the story of Zep Hindle the guy that was the puppet (same role as ART in SAW IV) behind the washroom setting and trying to kill Dr. Gordon's family? They gave us some brief information, but not enough.........will they touch upon him a bit more. Who knows?

Guys, maybe us 3 should write a book or screen play called SAW CHRONICLES........LOL!

[ExtremeGamer]

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Just watched the DC version of the Saw 3 ending. Terrible way to end it IMO. It makes Jigsaw look weak as he couldn't even turn the recorder on. I then watched the unrated and rated versions. The unrated is the most impactful IMO. The rated, it closes on Jigsaw being dead. The unrated, it closes on Lynn, just more of an impact as it shows her blown off head. The director's cut shows her blown up, then Jeff plays the tape, then screams. Just seems disjointed.

[Blzer]

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LOL! Obi is another person..........add Xavier, Laura, Jonas, Gus to that list. I think some of these other characters may have had some connection with the drug clinic that Jill was affiliated with. With due time, I bet we find out about them too as these guys might wrap every hole they have left open by SAW VI. Or for that matter, lets go back to SAW.............what is the story of Zep Hindle the guy that was the puppet (same role as ART in SAW IV) behind the washroom setting and trying to kill Dr. Gordon's family? They gave us some brief information, but not enough.........will they touch upon him a bit more. Who knows?

Guys, maybe us 3 should write a book or screen play called SAW CHRONICLES........LOL!

Gus is in Saw IV. Him and Cecil create the raucous in the waiting room.


BTW, I never said that the Saw story was finished and we weren't allowed to have more information about the characters after 3. As a matter of fact, that's what I hope we had. I hope we had a novel or comics to sum up the rest of what happened, instead of full feature length films.

[Blzer]

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Just watched the DC version of the Saw 3 ending. Terrible way to end it IMO. It makes Jigsaw look weak as he couldn't even turn the recorder on. I then watched the unrated and rated versions. The unrated is the most impactful IMO. The rated, it closes on Jigsaw being dead. The unrated, it closes on Lynn, just more of an impact as it shows her blown off head. The director's cut shows her blown up, then Jeff plays the tape, then screams. Just seems disjointed.

See, I think the theatrical had the most impact. I mean, we still got to see Lynn's head blown off... then we saw Jeff's reaction along with it, and we also see John dead... the main character and villain through all three movies was just killed, and you don't end on him in the unrated? I just don't know why they decided to take out footage in the unrated version, that's all.

[ExtremeGamer]

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See, I think the theatrical had the most impact. I mean, we still got to see Lynn's head blown off... then we saw Jeff's reaction along with it, and we also see John dead... the main character and villain through all three movies was just killed, and you don't end on him in the unrated? I just don't know why they decided to take out footage in the unrated version, that's all.

I would agree if there wasn't a 4th movie.

Being that there is, to me, seeing Jeff's only person left alive dead, hearing him scream, and already knowing Jigsaw's dead from the shot previous...to me, was much more impactful.

[Blzer]

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I would agree if there wasn't a 4th movie.

Being that there is, to me, seeing Jeff's only person left alive dead, hearing him scream, and already knowing Jigsaw's dead from the shot previous...to me, was much more impactful.

Different strokes... makes sense to me.

Only difference is, unless Saw V and VI are going to do well given the direction the franchise is going, then I will be inclined to buy a trilogy box set and get Saw IV. Until then, I'm not getting it on DVD. That said, I would show my friends and family that haven't seen these movies only Saw 1 - 3, convince them that it is a trilogy, and give that final shot a nice bang. And believe me... it really almost makes the difference between purchases. I would get it, if only I could get my $20 back for Saw III Unrated.

[CaptainZombie]

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Different strokes... makes sense to me.

Only difference is, unless Saw V and VI are going to do well given the direction the franchise is going, then I will be inclined to buy a trilogy box set and get Saw IV. Until then, I'm not getting it on DVD. That said, I would show my friends and family that haven't seen these movies only Saw 1 - 3, convince them that it is a trilogy, and give that final shot a nice bang. And believe me... it really almost makes the difference between purchases. I would get it, if only I could get my $20 back for Saw III Unrated.

Thinking about this a bit more with the comments that you made about how this is 2 trilogies, I just don't view it like that. One horror franchise that I consider as 2 different quadrilogy/trilogy - Halloween, II, H20, and Resurrection......then the trilogy Halloween 4, 5, & 6 since H20 and Resurrection completely ignore 4-6.

The SAW franchise is not seperate trilogies, the story flows through I-IV..............well only in your mind Blzer.

[Blzer]

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Thinking about this a bit more with the comments that you made about how this is 2 trilogies, I just don't view it like that. One horror franchise that I consider as 2 different quadrilogy/trilogy - Halloween, II, H20, and Resurrection......then the trilogy Halloween 4, 5, & 6 since H20 and Resurrection completely ignore 4-6.

The SAW franchise is not seperate trilogies, the story flows through I-IV..............well only in your mind Blzer.

I understand how it flows, but just because they take place at the same time doesn't make them necessarily "together", even though they're connected.

I guess I would have to ask Leigh directly, but until then, I'm going with what I think.

[mgoblue]

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I understand how it flows, but just because they take place at the same time doesn't make them necessarily "together", even though they're connected.

I guess I would have to ask Leigh directly, but until then, I'm going with what I think.

How much is Leigh Whannell really involved now? I thought it was more in name only, and that he and James Wan moved on from the series...