****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

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  • gehun
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    • Oct 2002
    • 89

    #1351
    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

    Originally posted by ehh
    But Walt isn't part of the lying scheme so why would he refer to Locke as Bentham? Doesn't make much sense.
    If you recall the scene with Sayid and Hurley, Sayid says that they are being watched when Hurley was going to refer to Locke as Bentham.

    Locke needed to keep his identity a secret so Widmore could not identifiy him. He probably told Walt that in order to keep everyone safe he needed to go by his alias Bentham.

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #1352
      Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

      Wow, clones? I think that's a bit out there.

      I can't agree that Locke just died because he stepped foot off the Island. Ben said to Jack that they are calling it a suicide which means it's not and someone killed John Locke. Maybe it was Charles Widmore.

      Locke is going by a different name for two reasons. 1. He can't tell the world he is John Locke because he was on the plane and he knows that Jack had to lie. 2. He is using an alias much like Ben has several times during his travels off the Island.

      Everyone is calling him Bentham because they are comfortable calling him that. They've been telling the lie for so long that it's almost natural. Hurley just wants to point out to Sayid that he doesn't have to lie to him by calling John by his alias since Hurley obviously knows who Bentham really is.

      Walt likely called John by his alias for the same reasons. John told him that no one could know who he is because everyone else is lying and Walt now calls him by his assumed name.

      *****

      I agree that Charlotte is Annie. The Producers confirmed that we'd be seeing Annie again and they are probably laughing because we've been seeing her for an entire season without realizing hit.
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      • Pared
        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #1353
        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

        Originally posted by YankeePride
        Wow, clones? I think that's a bit out there.
        lol yeah because black smoke killing people, time travel and fake death is so normal in our society.
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        • Double Eights
          Banned
          • Nov 2005
          • 5733

          #1354
          Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

          How can Charlotte be Annie? Charlotte looks like she is in her late twenties, early thirties. Ben is in his forties, isn't he?

          When we saw Ben and Annie together, they looked around the same age. They definitely didn't look like they had ten years difference between them.

          Edit: From Lostpedia, "Ben Linus was born on December 19th in the early 1960s." There is no possible way they can tell us Charlotte was born around that time period. Well, it's possible, but I don't know how they'd convince us. Unless, somehow she never aged while on the island, and then once she left, she started to age again. Or something along those lines.
          Last edited by Double Eights; 05-30-2008, 03:43 PM.

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          • bad_philanthropy
            MVP
            • Jul 2005
            • 12167

            #1355
            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

            So here's my question, we saw that Juliette was alone on the beach when Sawyer got out of the water, does that mean the other castaways like Rose and Bernard had made it to the freighter and were killed?

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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #1356
              Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

              Originally posted by Double Eights
              How can Charlotte be Annie? Charlotte looks like she is in her late twenties, early thirties. Ben is in his forties, isn't he?

              When we saw Ben and Annie together, they looked around the same age. They definitely didn't look like they had ten years difference between them.
              Since we know there is a time rift I would say her time off the island would be the answer you're looking for.
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              • Hammerhunker
                MVP
                • Mar 2003
                • 3007

                #1357
                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                Originally posted by Pared
                I was pretty underwhelmed with last night's episode, overall.

                I can't believe you would be underwhelmed! I personally thought this ending was the best of the 4. This season leaves us with so many questions, and I was wondering after last year how this could possibly carry on past a 4th year.

                I am still confused with the Locke/Bentham situation. Anything is possible I guess.

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                • ODogg
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 37953

                  #1358
                  Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                  Originally posted by Pared
                  That was for a client, not Sun.

                  The episode just made you think it was for her. Kind of a parallel way of telling the story to throw the viewer off.
                  But don't you think it's a double trick possibly because we see in the end it was for a client and think "dang, well that mus have happened before and it wasn't for Sun". Who's to say this doesn't happen after he escaped the island?
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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #1359
                    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                    I don't know... I can't explain it. Last season's cliff hanger was very difficult to top, to be fair.

                    Good point Odogg. I just don't know if they will come back to it later on...
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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #1360
                      Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                      Originally posted by Pared
                      lol yeah because black smoke killing people, time travel and fake death is so normal in our society.
                      Yea, I get you. But clones?

                      Locke is not a clone.

                      I'm having a hard time getting what's so confusing about all this. Locke leaves the Island, uses an alias, and is killed. That's pretty much it.

                      He didn't die on the plane and suddenly live again on the Island and then die once stepping foot off of it. He would have died on the plane or boat taking him off the Island. Not an apartment building.

                      He wasn't magically cloned by a secret society of warlocks that live on the darkside of the Island that we happened to catch for a brief second during the first fly-by.

                      He survived the crash and someone killed him. Maybe he killed himself. Maybe he was so messed up in the head over the drama on the Island that he took his own life.

                      I just want to know what bad things start happening.
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                      • Pared
                        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 39337

                        #1361
                        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                        lol

                        I'm just saying... it's obvious nothing is out of the realm of possibility with this show.
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                        • bigmoe
                          Pro
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 656

                          #1362
                          Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                          check-mate , mr echo....Hurley's not crazy!

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                          • DrJones
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 9109

                            #1363
                            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                            Originally posted by YankeePride
                            I agree that Charlotte is Annie. The Producers confirmed that we'd be seeing Annie again and they are probably laughing because we've been seeing her for an entire season without realizing hit.
                            I've seen this theory mentioned in a lot of places. Considering Ben and Charlotte already met earlier this season (and Ben shot her in the chest), I find it a little difficult to believe.
                            Originally posted by Thrash13
                            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                            Originally posted by slickdtc
                            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                            Originally posted by Kipnis22
                            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                            • fistofrage
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13682

                              #1364
                              Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                              Well Jack has to be the most self centered selfish character in the history of TV. Running and getting Kate and leaving Jin hung out to dry. And then just telling Sun, "He's gone..." Pretty lame.

                              I am also not really liking the whole moving island thing. Makes it seem like a giant alien spaceship. And what's up with Richard?

                              I am beyond trying to figure this thing out, but I wonder if Ben has to get everyone back to the island so he can unwind moving it so he can get back to the island too. Because he said whoever moves the island can't stay on the island.

                              Who the hell is Jacob?
                              Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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                              • ODogg
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 37953

                                #1365
                                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                Originally posted by fistofrage
                                Who the hell is Jacob?
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