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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203
    #1381
    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

    Wow, no wonder that guy was written-off. I'm sure after the producers begged him to come back he started acting like the big cheese and it turned them off. They were probably begging to get him off the show.

    The race card is very weak. He wants to turn this into a black kid being fatherless. What about Aaron being both motherless and fatherless? How about Kate killing her dad and having a mother that doesn't love her? Jack's dad is dead. Boone and Shannon had incapable parents. Locke's dad? I mean, wow, think about that relationship. He grew up fatherless too.

    Harold just isn't thinking here. He was given the opportunity to be a hero and when you go over the show most viewers will look back at Michael and now say, "He wasn't as bad as we thought he was after killing Libby and Ana-Lucia. He came back and saved everyone. He sacrificed his life for them."

    That's a great way to go out. It's why people love Charlie now.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • soltrain
        The Batman
        • Feb 2003
        • 6863
        #1382
        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

        Originally posted by JagerMichael
        At first I thought Jin could have survived the explosion, but with the island having moved, I don't see how he would have survived in the water.

        The SS Farraday will pick him up.
        Michigan Wolverines
        Chicago White Sox

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          • Pete1210
            MVP
            • Aug 2006
            • 3277
            #1383
            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

            Originally posted by JagerMichael
            At first I thought Jin could have survived the explosion, but with the island having moved, I don't see how he would have survived in the water.
            Like I said before, I think the Island only moved in time, not space.

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203
                #1384
                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                Originally posted by soltrain
                The SS Farraday will pick him up.
                Yea, I think that's where that is going.

                Not sure why the producers would want them to work together but one never knows with Daniel Faraday and his awkward behavior.

                Maybe they'll start a new Losties camp with the red shirts on the boat. They'll survive for 90 days on water.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • CMH
                    Making you famous
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203
                    #1385
                    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                    Matthew Fox is the only actor that knows how Lost will end.

                    Matthew Fox keeps quiet on 'Lost' ending
                    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a96650/matthew-fox-keeps-quiet-on-lost-ending.html
                    Matthew Fox reveals that he knows how Lost will end, but won't tell anyone else in the cast.
                    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                      • soltrain
                        The Batman
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6863
                        #1386
                        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                        Originally posted by YankeePride
                        Wow, no wonder that guy was written-off. I'm sure after the producers begged him to come back he started acting like the big cheese and it turned them off. They were probably begging to get him off the show.

                        The race card is very weak. He wants to turn this into a black kid being fatherless. What about Aaron being both motherless and fatherless? How about Kate killing her dad and having a mother that doesn't love her? Jack's dad is dead. Boone and Shannon had incapable parents. Locke's dad? I mean, wow, think about that relationship. He grew up fatherless too.

                        Harold just isn't thinking here. He was given the opportunity to be a hero and when you go over the show most viewers will look back at Michael and now say, "He wasn't as bad as we thought he was after killing Libby and Ana-Lucia. He came back and saved everyone. He sacrificed his life for them."

                        That's a great way to go out. It's why people love Charlie now.

                        What is sad is that the viewers knew this about Michael, and Michael knew this about Michael - but the actor who played Michael didn't understand his own character.


                        WALLLLTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
                        Michigan Wolverines
                        Chicago White Sox

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                          • JagerMichael
                            Rookie
                            • May 2008
                            • 57
                            #1387
                            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                            Originally posted by mike95
                            Like I said before, I think the Island only moved in time, not space.
                            I understand that, but if the island moved in time which took it away from the helicopter then wouldn't it move away from the people in the water as well?

                            And I could see the SS Faraday picking him up, but they would be facing the same issue as the island not being there.

                            The only loop hole I could see would be that the island attracts things. So maybe the Faraday would get caught in that and find its way back.

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                              • p_rushing
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 14514
                                #1388
                                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                Originally posted by Miles_Yuhas
                                Well Ben said that when he moves the island, he can't go back.
                                Yeah, but now Locke is dead. Ben might have even killed him. Maybe thats why they wanted Ben, to kill him and be able to go back. Now Ben kills Locke and now he can go back.

                                Who knows, thinking out loud, but Ben isn't going to let them back on the island without going with them.

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                                  • billmatic
                                    Treble Complete
                                    • Nov 2004
                                    • 7365
                                    #1389
                                    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                    Originally posted by JagerMichael
                                    I understand that, but if the island moved in time which took it away from the helicopter then wouldn't it move away from the people in the water as well?

                                    And I could see the SS Faraday picking him up, but they would be facing the same issue as the island not being there.

                                    The only loop hole I could see would be that the island attracts things. So maybe the Faraday would get caught in that and find its way back.
                                    Is the "other" island still around?

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                                      • JagerMichael
                                        Rookie
                                        • May 2008
                                        • 57
                                        #1390
                                        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                        Originally posted by billmatic
                                        Is the "other" island still around?
                                        I would think they would have been able to see it from the helicopter, but I suppose this could be another loop hole.

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                                          • CMH
                                            Making you famous
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 26203
                                            #1391
                                            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                            I thought I heard them say that the other Island was gone.
                                            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                                            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                                              • Brandon13
                                                All Star
                                                • Oct 2005
                                                • 8915
                                                #1392
                                                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                                Originally posted by YankeePride
                                                I thought I heard them say that the other Island was gone.
                                                Yeah, Jack said something about it but they couldn't see it so I guess it's gone too.

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                                                  • Miles_Yuhas
                                                    MVP
                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                    • 2689
                                                    #1393
                                                    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                                    Originally posted by JagerMichael
                                                    I think the guy above is correct in that everyone has to go back to the island. I'm not sure about the pilot, but everyone else (Desmond, Walt, the 6, Locke, Ben) probably have to in order to reverse whatever craziness is taking place there.
                                                    Why should they care what happened to the island? The characters are acting as if the island being in a good state of being is important to the world, when no one even knows about it.

                                                    And I agree that if Jin survived the blast, Faraday could pick him up.

                                                    I assume the other island still counts as the island on a whole, becuase it was definatly gone when the island moved.

                                                    Back to Jin though, what is his purpose now? He got Sun off the island so she can have her baby. His task is done, and once that happens on this show, those characters seem to die soon afterward. I really think he's dead guys.

                                                    One thing that was absolutly tragic about this episode though, was that once Ben killed that military dude, had Locke and Ben known that they had freezed the battery, Locke could have put the monitor on himself and saved everyone on the boat. There's no way he could have known that the boat didn't explode when the monitor stopped, but I still yelled at the tv for him to put it on.

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                                                      • Leon
                                                        An Old Trafford
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 4981
                                                        #1394
                                                        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                                        Originally posted by Miles_Yuhas
                                                        One thing that was absolutly tragic about this episode though, was that once Ben killed that military dude, had Locke and Ben known that they had freezed the battery, Locke could have put the monitor on himself and saved everyone on the boat. There's no way he could have known that the boat didn't explode when the monitor stopped, but I still yelled at the tv for him to put it on.
                                                        That wouldn't have worked because the monitor was wired to Khimee's heart. If Locke took it off him while he was still alive, they'd go "Boom."
                                                        "It's not how big you are; it's how big you play" - David Thompson

                                                        @nicroni

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                                                          • Miles_Yuhas
                                                            MVP
                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                            • 2689
                                                            #1395
                                                            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                                            Originally posted by Leon
                                                            That wouldn't have worked because the monitor was wired to Khimee's heart. If Locke took it off him while he was still alive, they'd go "Boom."
                                                            No I mean when khimee's heart stopped, the bomb didn't go off for a couple of minutes because Michael frooze it. Locke could have put it on then.

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