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  • TheMatrix31
    RF
    • Jul 2002
    • 52915

    #31
    Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

    Originally posted by elicoleman
    Not going to talk about it cause of TOS, but I absolutely agree with you.
    I also agree 100%.

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    • Jackdog
      Wolverine Soldier
      • Aug 2002
      • 7719

      #32
      Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

      Originally posted by superjames1992
      High Schools and parent discipline are main problems IMO. I am in high school and it's pretty bad. You've got kids cursing out their teachers, kids beating up teachers, ect. Talk about sex, drugs, drinking all the time...

      Parents don't discipline kids anymore either. I see it all the time. Luckily, my parents brought me up right. They've been strict, gave me the appropriate "beatings" when needed and it has worked. I haven't needed to be grounded in the past few years since I got a basis when I was younger.

      The public school system sucks, parents don't "parent", the media glorifies sex, drugs, ect., among other things. That's the root of the problem IMO.
      Good post young man. Hang in there.

      My son is 12. His current school is full of kids that have no respect for teachers or fellow students. We now live in Traverse City Michigan. A small town with two public high schools. We thought the small town life would provide him with a very good public education and prepare him for college. We were wrong. Much to our dismay we will be paying for him to attend St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Middle School next year and St. Francis High School in a year and a half.

      My son has attended an assortment of public schools in his young life. They range from the inner city of Detroit and Columbus to country schools in Johnson City and Kingsport Tn. In our travels one common theme is starting to stand out.The quality of students in public schools that really want an education is dropping rapidly. I blame the parents.

      Here is my list of why I will soon pay double for my son's high school education:

      1. Lack of fathers and/or male role models.

      2. The overabundance of political correctness nowadays. Too many parents afraid to discipline and limit their kids, out of fear of going against expert advice. Parents don't want to be respected, they want to be loved, and they are terrified of "damaging" their children.

      3. Divorce. It distributes the burden and also the joys of parenthood. Parents find themselves competing for children's approval. Bad mix.

      4. Respect. Parents who are not respectful of others can not hope to have children who will respect others.

      Bottom line. Many parents in this country have lost intrest in raising their children. They think that's the teachers job.
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      It's been a while OS. Hope all are doing well!

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      • realtalktruth
        Rookie
        • Sep 2007
        • 472

        #33
        Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

        man you people should just stop with the excuses and wake up in reality. discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses. your mother could be a prostitute making and selling crack on the dining room table and your father could be a gang member who walks outside every morning and kills the mailman and you still would have the option to choose how your life will be knowing right and wrong. the only way you will ever control the content your kids experience is by locking them up from the outside world and even then they will start to figure things out. you are going to be whoever you feel like you want to be and there is only one person thats going to stop you. you can put porno channels on pbs and have a marathon of violence on the church channel every single day but is still comes down to the fact of whether the kids want to do the right or wrong thing. choice is the problem, everything else is an excuse.
        Originally posted by bkrich83
        Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.
        Originally posted by bkrich83
        It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.

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        • jim416
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 10606

          #34
          Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

          discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses.

          An amazing statement. Okay, everyone, chuck discipline out the door, and don't worry about you being a young kid waking up every morning to see your drug pushing mother selling crack to a bunch of addicts. No problem here, just make your choice to be good or bad. It's just so simple.

          Just answer me this then. Why the big changes in our society? I'd like to hear your answer.

          Please tell us what
          reality
          is.
          Last edited by jim416; 12-23-2007, 11:30 AM.

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          • ballerzinc
            T*mpl* *wls
            • Feb 2004
            • 1831

            #35
            Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

            Originally posted by Longhorn
            I know we can't really get into it to much but...

            I personally don't pray or believe every day, and my life is perfectly fine...same with my family...so I have to completely disagree with this. There are much more pressing problems than forcing God out of every day life. Personally, I think separating religion from life is a better way to go about it than forcing it in. That's just me, though, and like I said we can't really get into it too much.
            With ya 100%

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            • jim416
              Banned
              • Feb 2003
              • 10606

              #36
              Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

              2. The overabundance of political correctness nowadays. Too many parents afraid to discipline and limit their kids, out of fear of going against expert advice. Parents don't want to be respected, they want to be loved, and they are terrified of "damaging" their children.

              Man, this brings back memories. As a retired cop I can't tell you how many times I was called to a house and wound up doing basic parenting 101. I just wanted to scream at the parent, "Geez, this is YOUR kid, not mine, can't you discipline them yourselves without calling in a cop?". You wouldn't believe some of the calls for this type of "service". Of course almost every parent DID say, "I can't spank them, or they'll call Social Services on me".

              Take it from me, a step dad. I have two step kids. The son "I" raised and the daughter who got raised by her father over the telephone (you know the "your mother and step dad don't know what they're doing kind of BS). The difference in the kids is night and day. My step daughter resents me because I was too much of a father figure and visiting her real father was more like "going to see a kind uncle". That kind uncle wanted to "be her friend" and that's where she started drinking, experimenting with drugs, staying out how ever long she wanted to. He would say "no" to nothing. Now she's a mess.

              Lucky for us our son graduated college early, is a straight kid. He got that way thru discipline and the fact that his father neglected him because he loved me.

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              • Chief Illinimac
                Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
                • Dec 2004
                • 2365

                #37
                Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                Originally posted by jim416
                discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses.

                An amazing statement. Okay, everyone, chuck discipline out the door, and don't worry about you being a young kid waking up every morning to see your drug pushing mother selling crack to a bunch of addicts. No problem here, just make your choice to be good or bad. It's just so simple.

                Just answer me this then. Why the big changes in our society? I'd like to hear your answer.

                Please tell us what is.
                To an extreme case like that, I'd say a person's upbringing makes an impact. However, most of these suburban kids that are a big part of what's being talked about have a great upbringing, good parents, and still turn out to be little $***s. There are also tons of kids with horrible parents who end up being great people. The fact is that eventually, a person's mind becomes developed enough to make their own decisions, and no matter how hard the parents try, or how perfectly they parent their kids, sometimes they don't turn out right. God has nothing to do with it. The parents have little to do with it. Ultimately, I believe the way a person turns out is on them, moreso than the parents. There's only so much a parent can do.

                I realize you have more experience than I when it comes to parenting. However I've spent three summers working at a local day camp, and I think that give me a wide base of experience to talk about this. There were a lot of "bad" kids who had great parents, who would "discipline" them when they came to pick them up. There were a lot of "good" kids with dead beat parents. A lot more of this stuff is based on their interactions at school and the like, because that is where they spend most of their time from age 4-18.
                Last edited by Chief Illinimac; 12-23-2007, 01:09 PM.
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                • jim416
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 10606

                  #38
                  Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                  A lot more of this stuff is based on their interactions at school and the like, because that is where they spend most of their time from age 4-18.

                  Peer pressure. You are right, but my son had peer pressure also, but he also got talked to, given examples by both of us, saw results of bad behavior first hand, etc., and that helped shape his thoughts. They just don't one day decide, "okay, am I going to be good or bad". There are lots of outside influences and peer pressure is a BIG one.

                  The parents have little to do with it

                  But, I have to disagree with this "little to do with it". I don't believe people are just hardwired to be good or bad. A "Big Brother", for example, can mean a world of difference, but when a kid is being fed a daily dose of "me, me, me, anything goes", bad things will happen. Will they "out grow" it? Perhaps, but why? Because of things other than peer pressure perhaps and doses of reality.

                  I'm loving right now how my step daughter is finding it hard on her own because she's finding out money actually has to be worked for most of the time.
                  Last edited by jim416; 12-23-2007, 02:10 PM.

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                  • Chief Illinimac
                    Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 2365

                    #39
                    Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                    Originally posted by jim416
                    The parents have little to do with it

                    But, I have to disagree with this "little to do with it".
                    I think I exaggerated a bit when I used this sentence. I wouldn't say they have little to do with it, but there is really only so much a parent can do. Ultimately the child makes a decision to do something. All the parents can do is inform them, and try to teach them self-discipline.

                    Sometimes developing a close bond with your son/daughter can be just as effective as spanking. If you've ever seen the movie, Thank You for Smoking, (I know its just a movie), there is a great example of what I am talking about. That's my belief, and that is how I will raise my kid when the time comes. I plan on spending time with my son/daughter and being truthful with them about important issues.
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                    • Scottdau
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 32580

                      #40
                      Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                      I believe environment has a big impact on the person. I also, believe you have to want to change before you can change.

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                      • realtalktruth
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 472

                        #41
                        Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                        Originally posted by jim416
                        discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses.

                        An amazing statement. Okay, everyone, chuck discipline out the door, and don't worry about you being a young kid waking up every morning to see your drug pushing mother selling crack to a bunch of addicts. No problem here, just make your choice to be good or bad. It's just so simple.

                        Just answer me this then. Why the big changes in our society? I'd like to hear your answer.

                        Please tell us what is.
                        what you think you will turn a criminal into a model citizen with an *** whipping? you can beat and punish your children all you want but if they want to rob the bank the bank is going to get robbed. the simple fact that there are people who have parents who sell crack or are addicts and yet they make better decisions than those with parents who have respectable jobs and are well discipline can tell you that everyone has their own mind. the t.v. is not going out and killing someone, the t.v. is not taking off all its clothes, getting addicted to drugs, or cursing out its teacher. to say that its anyone's fault except for the person who did it is wrong no matter how you spin it.
                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.
                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.

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                        • Chief Illinimac
                          Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 2365

                          #42
                          Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                          Originally posted by vickhalloffame
                          what you think you will turn a criminal into a model citizen with an *** whipping?
                          I'm pretty sure the issue is whether or not the *** whooping will prevent it before it happens, not whether it will change someone who is already a criminal.

                          Maybe if Michael Vick got a few more whoopins as a kid, he wouldn't have chosen the path that he did. :wink:
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                          • realtalktruth
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 472

                            #43
                            Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                            it goes both ways. im pretty sure you get beat more than once and most likely for the same offense. all *** whippings do is cause pain to a child for 10 to 30 minutes. after that its free game once again.
                            Originally posted by bkrich83
                            Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.
                            Originally posted by bkrich83
                            It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.

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                            • Chief Illinimac
                              Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 2365

                              #44
                              Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                              Originally posted by vickhalloffame
                              it goes both ways. im pretty sure you get beat more than once and most likely for the same offense. all *** whippings do is cause pain to a child for 10 to 30 minutes. after that its free game once again.
                              I disagree. I got my *** whooped plenty of times as a kid. It did teach me discipline. My best friends are complete stoners, yet I am about to graduate with a Master's and become a CPA. It's a psychological issue. When a kid is growing up, and gets slapped on the butt for doing something wrong, its molding behavior. A child will subconsciously associate pain with doing whatever action warranted the spanking. That is how they learn what is right and wrong. While I don't think I will be a spanker, I fully support the belief that it works.
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                              • realtalktruth
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 472

                                #45
                                Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

                                while on the other hand i got beaten with almost everything my mother could find and i don't even remember why or even care anymore. as soon as you learn what you think is right and wrong everything else is just extra.
                                Originally posted by bkrich83
                                Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.
                                Originally posted by bkrich83
                                It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.

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