Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?
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Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?
High Schools and parent discipline are main problems IMO. I am in high school and it's pretty bad. You've got kids cursing out their teachers, kids beating up teachers, ect. Talk about sex, drugs, drinking all the time...
Parents don't discipline kids anymore either. I see it all the time. Luckily, my parents brought me up right. They've been strict, gave me the appropriate "beatings" when needed and it has worked. I haven't needed to be grounded in the past few years since I got a basis when I was younger.
The public school system sucks, parents don't "parent", the media glorifies sex, drugs, ect., among other things. That's the root of the problem IMO.
My son is 12. His current school is full of kids that have no respect for teachers or fellow students. We now live in Traverse City Michigan. A small town with two public high schools. We thought the small town life would provide him with a very good public education and prepare him for college. We were wrong. Much to our dismay we will be paying for him to attend St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Middle School next year and St. Francis High School in a year and a half.
My son has attended an assortment of public schools in his young life. They range from the inner city of Detroit and Columbus to country schools in Johnson City and Kingsport Tn. In our travels one common theme is starting to stand out.The quality of students in public schools that really want an education is dropping rapidly. I blame the parents.
Here is my list of why I will soon pay double for my son's high school education:
1. Lack of fathers and/or male role models.
2. The overabundance of political correctness nowadays. Too many parents afraid to discipline and limit their kids, out of fear of going against expert advice. Parents don't want to be respected, they want to be loved, and they are terrified of "damaging" their children.
3. Divorce. It distributes the burden and also the joys of parenthood. Parents find themselves competing for children's approval. Bad mix.
4. Respect. Parents who are not respectful of others can not hope to have children who will respect others.
Bottom line. Many parents in this country have lost intrest in raising their children. They think that's the teachers job.NFL:Packers
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man you people should just stop with the excuses and wake up in reality. discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses. your mother could be a prostitute making and selling crack on the dining room table and your father could be a gang member who walks outside every morning and kills the mailman and you still would have the option to choose how your life will be knowing right and wrong. the only way you will ever control the content your kids experience is by locking them up from the outside world and even then they will start to figure things out. you are going to be whoever you feel like you want to be and there is only one person thats going to stop you. you can put porno channels on pbs and have a marathon of violence on the church channel every single day but is still comes down to the fact of whether the kids want to do the right or wrong thing. choice is the problem, everything else is an excuse.Originally posted by bkrich83Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.Originally posted by bkrich83It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.Comment
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Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?
discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses.
An amazing statement. Okay, everyone, chuck discipline out the door, and don't worry about you being a young kid waking up every morning to see your drug pushing mother selling crack to a bunch of addicts. No problem here, just make your choice to be good or bad. It's just so simple.
Just answer me this then. Why the big changes in our society? I'd like to hear your answer.
Please tell us whatrealityLast edited by jim416; 12-23-2007, 11:30 AM.Comment
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I know we can't really get into it to much but...
I personally don't pray or believe every day, and my life is perfectly fine...same with my family...so I have to completely disagree with this. There are much more pressing problems than forcing God out of every day life. Personally, I think separating religion from life is a better way to go about it than forcing it in. That's just me, though, and like I said we can't really get into it too much.Comment
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Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?
2. The overabundance of political correctness nowadays. Too many parents afraid to discipline and limit their kids, out of fear of going against expert advice. Parents don't want to be respected, they want to be loved, and they are terrified of "damaging" their children.
Man, this brings back memories. As a retired cop I can't tell you how many times I was called to a house and wound up doing basic parenting 101. I just wanted to scream at the parent, "Geez, this is YOUR kid, not mine, can't you discipline them yourselves without calling in a cop?". You wouldn't believe some of the calls for this type of "service". Of course almost every parent DID say, "I can't spank them, or they'll call Social Services on me".
Take it from me, a step dad. I have two step kids. The son "I" raised and the daughter who got raised by her father over the telephone (you know the "your mother and step dad don't know what they're doing kind of BS). The difference in the kids is night and day. My step daughter resents me because I was too much of a father figure and visiting her real father was more like "going to see a kind uncle". That kind uncle wanted to "be her friend" and that's where she started drinking, experimenting with drugs, staying out how ever long she wanted to. He would say "no" to nothing. Now she's a mess.
Lucky for us our son graduated college early, is a straight kid. He got that way thru discipline and the fact that his father neglected him because he loved me.Comment
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Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?
discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses.
An amazing statement. Okay, everyone, chuck discipline out the door, and don't worry about you being a young kid waking up every morning to see your drug pushing mother selling crack to a bunch of addicts. No problem here, just make your choice to be good or bad. It's just so simple.
Just answer me this then. Why the big changes in our society? I'd like to hear your answer.
Please tell us what is.
I realize you have more experience than I when it comes to parenting. However I've spent three summers working at a local day camp, and I think that give me a wide base of experience to talk about this. There were a lot of "bad" kids who had great parents, who would "discipline" them when they came to pick them up. There were a lot of "good" kids with dead beat parents. A lot more of this stuff is based on their interactions at school and the like, because that is where they spend most of their time from age 4-18.Last edited by Chief Illinimac; 12-23-2007, 01:09 PM.Listen to some of my covers:
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Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?
A lot more of this stuff is based on their interactions at school and the like, because that is where they spend most of their time from age 4-18.
Peer pressure. You are right, but my son had peer pressure also, but he also got talked to, given examples by both of us, saw results of bad behavior first hand, etc., and that helped shape his thoughts. They just don't one day decide, "okay, am I going to be good or bad". There are lots of outside influences and peer pressure is a BIG one.
The parents have little to do with it
But, I have to disagree with this "little to do with it". I don't believe people are just hardwired to be good or bad. A "Big Brother", for example, can mean a world of difference, but when a kid is being fed a daily dose of "me, me, me, anything goes", bad things will happen. Will they "out grow" it? Perhaps, but why? Because of things other than peer pressure perhaps and doses of reality.
I'm loving right now how my step daughter is finding it hard on her own because she's finding out money actually has to be worked for most of the time.Last edited by jim416; 12-23-2007, 02:10 PM.Comment
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Sometimes developing a close bond with your son/daughter can be just as effective as spanking. If you've ever seen the movie, Thank You for Smoking, (I know its just a movie), there is a great example of what I am talking about. That's my belief, and that is how I will raise my kid when the time comes. I plan on spending time with my son/daughter and being truthful with them about important issues.Listen to some of my covers:
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Re: Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?
discipline? role models? schools? the media? give me a break with all those excuses.
An amazing statement. Okay, everyone, chuck discipline out the door, and don't worry about you being a young kid waking up every morning to see your drug pushing mother selling crack to a bunch of addicts. No problem here, just make your choice to be good or bad. It's just so simple.
Just answer me this then. Why the big changes in our society? I'd like to hear your answer.
Please tell us what is.Originally posted by bkrich83Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.Originally posted by bkrich83It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.Comment
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Maybe if Michael Vick got a few more whoopins as a kid, he wouldn't have chosen the path that he did. :wink:Listen to some of my covers:
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it goes both ways. im pretty sure you get beat more than once and most likely for the same offense. all *** whippings do is cause pain to a child for 10 to 30 minutes. after that its free game once again.Originally posted by bkrich83Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.Originally posted by bkrich83It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.Comment
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I disagree. I got my *** whooped plenty of times as a kid. It did teach me discipline. My best friends are complete stoners, yet I am about to graduate with a Master's and become a CPA. It's a psychological issue. When a kid is growing up, and gets slapped on the butt for doing something wrong, its molding behavior. A child will subconsciously associate pain with doing whatever action warranted the spanking. That is how they learn what is right and wrong. While I don't think I will be a spanker, I fully support the belief that it works.Listen to some of my covers:
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while on the other hand i got beaten with almost everything my mother could find and i don't even remember why or even care anymore. as soon as you learn what you think is right and wrong everything else is just extra.Originally posted by bkrich83Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.Originally posted by bkrich83It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.Comment
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