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  • aholbert32
    (aka Alberto)
    • Jul 2002
    • 33106

    #331
    Re: The Wire-Season 5

    Originally posted by The Soldier
    Eh, I think the show's lack of popularity is due to the fact that it's on a premium network and starts off SSSSSOOOOOOOOOOO SSSLLLOOWWWWWW.

    It's easily my favorite show of ever, and I love it to death, but I can't imagine watching the first season week by week. I had to force myself to watch the first three episodes (until Omar appears). Until Omar shows up, there's 0 action, no explanations for anything, no introductions, you hardly no anyone aside from McNulty's name, and the big thing (to me at least) is there's not a single likable character (again, at the start).

    While it ends up working great for repeat viewers, the fact that there are no voiceovers, no introductions, and other such puts the viewer at a huge disadvantage, especially when picking the characters one needs to know.

    That said, I saw this on IMDB and it's great. I never picked up on it.

    The show wasnt popular for a couple of reasons:

    1) This isnt a pickup and go type show like a CSI or Law and Order that you can watch one episode and learn all you need to know. Its difficult to jump in midseason and understand this show.

    2) HBO did not promote this show as much as it did the Sopranos, SATC or even Rome and Deadwood (all great shows imo).

    3) I think the biggest thing was something that David Simon stated at the beginning of this season. He quoted a study that shows that once a show's cast goes over 30% black the ratings drop immediately. For some reason large groups of white people are not interested in watching a show that is primarily black. I can understand that for a number of reasons.

    First, the slang and accents in the show are primarily urban and black and are difficult to pick up (I'm black and from Bmore and I sometimes struggle w/ Snoop's dialogue). I had several white friends who told me flat out that they have to watch the drug scenes with subtitles to pick up the slang and understand some of the dialogue.

    Also, with the exception of the Cosby Show there has never been a show that has captured the attention of America with an all or majority black cast.

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    • Cebby
      Banned
      • Apr 2005
      • 22327

      #332
      Re: The Wire-Season 5

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      First, the slang and accents in the show are primarily urban and black and are difficult to pick up (I'm black and from Bmore and I sometimes struggle w/ Snoop's dialogue). I had several white friends who told me flat out that they have to watch the drug scenes with subtitles to pick up the slang and understand some of the dialogue.
      I agree with all your reasons, but the only 2 characters with Baltimore accents are Spider and Snoop, and I guess Omar kind of tries to every once in a while. The main characters in the first season (Stringer, Avon, D, Bodie, and WeeBay) are all real actors and had no accent. Jes sayin

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      • BigTigLSU
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        • Sep 2002
        • 6506

        #333
        Re: The Wire-Season 5

        3) I think the biggest thing was something that David Simon stated at the beginning of this season. He quoted a study that shows that once a show's cast goes over 30% black the ratings drop immediately. For some reason large groups of white people are not interested in watching a show that is primarily black. I can understand that for a number of reasons.
        The sad thing is it isnt a show about so called "black" issues. It shows a authentic view of how different people in a large urban enviorment coexist. Though the main character of the show is the "street" the dynamic of how that effects the poor, the middle, and upper class.
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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #334
          Re: The Wire-Season 5

          Originally posted by The Soldier
          I agree with all your reasons, but the only 2 characters with Baltimore accents are Spider and Snoop, and I guess Omar kind of tries to every once in a while. The main characters in the first season (Stringer, Avon, D, Bodie, and WeeBay) are all real actors and had no accent. Jes sayin
          Its more slang than accents though. If you never hear urban slang, you will have a little trouble with the dialogue in some of the scenes.

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          • Stumbleweed
            Livin' the dream
            • Oct 2006
            • 6279

            #335
            Re: The Wire-Season 5

            The Soldier, what didn't you notice in that picture? Spyda? Or the wall behind him?
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            • BigTigLSU
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              • Sep 2002
              • 6506

              #336
              Re: The Wire-Season 5

              Originally posted by Stumbleweed
              The Soldier, what didn't you notice in that picture? Spyda? Or the wall behind him?
              The names on the wall are people who were killed on the show.
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              • Stumbleweed
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                • Oct 2006
                • 6279

                #337
                Re: The Wire-Season 5

                Well first off, Bird is in jail, not dead. Secondly, who the hell are Pooh, O-Ski, and Howard (and the rest of them)? I think that's an actual Baltimore memorial wall, not something made for the show... Just sayin' -- that's what I thought he was referring to, but other than 'Bird', those names aren't people from the show to my knowledge. Lex is the only name on there that makes any sense at all within the context of the show.

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                • Cebby
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 22327

                  #338
                  Re: The Wire-Season 5

                  Originally posted by Stumbleweed
                  Well first off, Bird is in jail, not dead. Secondly, who the hell are Pooh, O-Ski, and Howard (and the rest of them)? I think that's an actual Baltimore memorial wall, not something made for the show... Just sayin' -- that's what I thought he was referring to, but other than 'Bird', those names aren't people from the show to my knowledge. Lex is the only name on there that makes any sense at all within the context of the show.

                  Care to enlighten me?
                  Bodie and Lex are obvious, Bird is a name from the show, and I believe Pooh was the person D killed that had him on trial (I know there was a Pooh at some point).

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                  • Stumbleweed
                    Livin' the dream
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 6279

                    #339
                    Re: The Wire-Season 5

                    Oh, I didn't even see Bodie there... that makes 2 names that make sense. I dunno, maybe it is a show-comissioned thing, but I still have no idea who the hell Howard and the rest of those guys are. Snook?

                    I'm in the process of starting the show again from the beginning, so maybe some of those names will make sense. I do remember something about a Pooh associated with D'Angelo (not Poot), and I think you're right... Hmm, I'll have to remember to listen for 'Snook' and the rest of those names... I guess it's possible that Bird is dead rather than just in jail, but it was never addressed within the show.
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                    • Cebby
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                      • Apr 2005
                      • 22327

                      #340
                      Re: The Wire-Season 5

                      Originally posted by Stumbleweed
                      Oh, I didn't even see Bodie there... that makes 2 names that make sense. I dunno, maybe it is a show-comissioned thing, but I still have no idea who the hell Howard and the rest of those guys are. Snook?
                      There are only 15-25 or so people killed in the entire show (several of which had no name). We only see Chris stash about 8 bodies, yet there were 22 in the vacents. There are a lot of people not on the show who were killed in the story (the 250 in season 3).

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                      • Stumbleweed
                        Livin' the dream
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 6279

                        #341
                        Re: The Wire-Season 5

                        Yeah, didn't really think about that -- it makes sense. I'd like to see what Simon et al have to say about it. With Bodie included, I'd assume that it was painted for the show, but I guess you never know. It'd be even cooler if it was a real wall with people named Bodie and Lex and they found it and used it in the show...

                        And good catch by whoever captured that image -- I wouldn't have been able to read anything but 'Bird' as it was playing. Nice detail if it is indeed a prop for the show.

                        As it was, I had trouble telling if the main corner boy in the first part of that montage was Marlo (as people had claimed). Of course it's not him, but it was still tough to tell.
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                        • aholbert32
                          (aka Alberto)
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 33106

                          #342
                          Re: The Wire-Season 5

                          For those of you who felt the season was rushed, it appears that David Simon was the reason for it. He asked for 10 episodes instead of 12.


                          "In terms of priorities, how was the storytelling different, did any stories have to be abandoned when it wound up being a 10-episode season as opposed to 12 or 13?

                          The main stories were told exactly as they would have been. By the way, I was given 10 and a half. When I realized I needed more than 10, they asked if I wanted 11, and I said, "No, I need 10 and a half." If I said I needed 12 halfway through the season, from Carolyn (Strauss) at that point, I could have gotten it. They came to me early on, I asked for an extra episode, a 13th, for season four, because we had to add some elements of the political spin-off that didn't get made, so we had to deal with the election and the schools in one season. So I asked for 13, and they gave it to me, and then when we came back for the last season, they said, "School story's over, election's over, you have this one remaining theme, can you do it in less?" And I said, "I think I probably can."

                          But it was an open question. They said, "Can you do it in 8?" I said, "No ****ing way." They said, "How many do you need?" I said, "I don't know. Maybe 10. Maybe 11." So they said, "Okay, beat it out, see what you need." I told them 10 after I beat it out with Ed -- and, by the way, this is also in a year when they're giving me 7 hours of "Generation Kill," so they're not being parsimonious -- and then as we started making it and got towards the end, I realized I might need more story and I said, "Can I go to 10 and a half? Can I do a 90-minute episode if I have to?" And they said, "Sure. Tell us which one you need." At that point, I'm one hour away.

                          If they gave me 12, and said you have to take 12, then the truth is, certain storylines that were branches on the three that couldn't be serviced in 10, like Prez and Cutty would have had storylines. The main storylines would have had no more or no less work done on them. We said what we wanted to say on them. We would have had more time to service characters who at that point had become peripheral but were favorites of the writers. But at the same time, we talked about it, the writers, and we realized Prez has reached his stasis, as has Cutty. What redemption there has been for them has been achieved, and that's where we want to leave them anyway, so all we're doing there is gilding the story a little bit. A decision was made that that's not really what needs to happen here with the story.

                          But the truth is, if I'd have gone to Carolyn and said ‘Look, I'm too tight,' then she would've fixed it. She would've helped me fix it. And in fact when I did go to her and said, 'I'm too tight. I may need 11, I may need 10 and a half,' it was like, 'Do what you gotta do.'"



                          This interview with “The Wire” creator David Simon was conducted over two different days shortly before the 9th episode of the final seaso...

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                          • Cebby
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 22327

                            #343
                            Re: The Wire-Season 5

                            While I'm not sure it really deserves a bump, I found another name on the wall.

                            I was watching episode 8 of Season 4 (Corner Boys), and the New York dealer that Chris shoots is on the wall. If you listen after he's shot, you'll hear "Aw ****, they got Snook". I always thought it was "they got Snoop", but that doesn't make any sense.

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                            • RockinDaMike
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 9091

                              #344
                              Re: The Wire-Season 5

                              Wasn't Bird played by Sticky Fingahs as one of Barksdales muscle? Was only in a few episodes in season 1.

                              Edit: Wrong Onyx member, Bird was played by Fredo Starr. I still remember that nasty "I don't give a ****" look when he was questioned by the cops.
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                              • aholbert32
                                (aka Alberto)
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 33106

                                #345
                                Re: The Wire-Season 5

                                Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                                Wasn't Bird played by Sticky Fingahs as one of Barksdales muscle? Was only in a few episodes in season 1.

                                Edit: Wrong Onyx member, Bird was played by Fredo Starr. I still remember that nasty "I don't give a ****" look when he was questioned by the cops.
                                Thats why this wall thing doesnt make total sense. Bird went to jail for the Gant murder because of Omar's testimony. The show never had him die.

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