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  • rsnomar05
    MVP
    • Dec 2003
    • 3662

    #76
    Re: 2008 Oscars

    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
    Yeah I don't know how ratings work.. I myself switched it on and off so I'm not sure if I actually counted as "watching" the program. I was just getting at the fact that most people didn't see any of these films maybe that's why they didn't watch. Could be wrong though since you bring up a valid point.
    If you don't have a Nielsen box, your viewing wasn't counted.

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    • Chief Illinimac
      Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
      • Dec 2004
      • 2365

      #77
      Re: 2008 Oscars

      Originally posted by rsnomar05
      If you don't have a Nielsen box, your viewing wasn't counted.
      Yep, the Nielsens are based off a sample of like 5,000 (maybe more now, I would hope so...) homes, so if you don't have a box, you don't count. To be honest, with digital cable/satellite boxes, I'm not sure why the rating system hasn't been changed, but whatever...
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      • born_bad
        MVP
        • Jan 2005
        • 1130

        #78
        Re: 2008 Oscars

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        These were the lowest rated Oscars ever. Further proof the masses are as ignorant as ever. Uggh bad signs for the short future.

        So, because people have better things to do than watch a 3-hour show of millionares giving themselves shiny trophies and speaking about movies as if they were the most important things int he world, people are "ignorant"?

        Wow, I'm a pretty big fan of movies and have enoyed a lot of movies that get nominated, but really couldn't care less what awards get won and I certainly don't care to watch a 3-hour+ show about it.

        "OOOHH!! Some guy I never heard of won best editing for a foreign animated documentary/musical! He's going to thank a bunch of people I never heard of, too! Get the kids! This important and we'd be ignorant to miss it!!"
        Last edited by born_bad; 02-26-2008, 01:44 PM.

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        • Cebby
          Banned
          • Apr 2005
          • 22327

          #79
          Re: 2008 Oscars

          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
          These were the lowest rated Oscars ever. Further proof the masses are as ignorant as ever. Uggh bad signs for the short future.
          If you want to blame someone, blame the Oscar pandering movie releases.

          Anybody could have seen this coming.

          They nominated 5 movies. All 5 were currently in theaters.

          0 of the 5 were mainstream releases.

          What happens with this? Nobody sees any of these movies. I counted in one of the threads complaining about nobody seeing TWBB that in one day, there was only about 7 or 8 showings of the movie in DC, 10 or so in Baltimore, and 2 in Frederick. None were before about 4:30, and most were in small theaters that weren't showing many other movies. That doesn't leave a lot of room to see it, especially if you have kids.

          When you release movies in December and January to try and grab an Oscar nomination, you end up with this. If even one or two had come out earlier and had been On Demand or DVD, a lot more people would have watched it. As it is, only Juno was a somewhat widespread movie, and even then it wasn't that everywhere.

          And there's also the fact that the Oscars are stupid.

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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #80
            Re: 2008 Oscars

            Originally posted by born_bad
            So, because people have better things to do than watch a 3-hour show of millionares giving themselves shiny trophies and speaking about movies as if they were the most important things int he world, people are "ignorant"?

            Wow, I'm a pretty big fan of movies and have enoyed a lot of movies that get nominated, but really couldn't care less what awards get won and I certainly don't care to watch a 3-hour+ show about it.

            "OOOHH!! Some guy I never heard of one best editing for a foreign animated documentary/musical! He's going to thank a bunch of people I never heard of, too! Get the kids! This important and we'd be ignorant to miss it!!"
            That's why reading the entire thread is fundamental.

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            • Chief Illinimac
              Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
              • Dec 2004
              • 2365

              #81
              Re: 2008 Oscars

              Originally posted by The Soldier

              And there's also the fact that the Oscars are stupid.
              Although I agree, I find it pretty ironic that your least supported statement was this one.
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              • jmood88
                Sean Payton: Retribution
                • Jul 2003
                • 34639

                #82
                Re: 2008 Oscars

                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                These were the lowest rated Oscars ever. Further proof the masses are as ignorant as ever. Uggh bad signs for the short future.
                I don't see how not watching an awards show says anything about people's intelligence.
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                • ex carrabba fan
                  I'll thank him for you
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #83
                  Re: 2008 Oscars

                  Originally posted by jmood88
                  I don't see how not watching an awards show says anything about people's intelligence.
                  Guys read my post after that one sheesh

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                  • rsnomar05
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 3662

                    #84
                    Re: 2008 Oscars

                    Originally posted by ChiefIllinimac
                    Yep, the Nielsens are based off a sample of like 5,000 (maybe more now, I would hope so...) homes, so if you don't have a box, you don't count. To be honest, with digital cable/satellite boxes, I'm not sure why the rating system hasn't been changed, but whatever...
                    They do factor in DVR use now, but again it's the "select chosen few." The problem is that Nielsen would have to supply a box to everyone, or gather the information from the individual cable/satellite providers, which would delay the timeliness of the ratings' release. They do need to change their system, as I've always wondered whether or not there would be any significant difference in the ratings if everyone was included, not just a small sample size. And even though the odds of a huge difference is slim, it would still be more accurate.

                    As for the Oscars, what are they supposed to do? Yeah, it's a shame all the films were released at this time, but it's not their fault they weren't major releases. Actually, No Country and Juno were major releases. But the Academy doesn't control the release distribution of the films, and typically now that the awards were Oscar nominated/winners, people will make it a point to see them. And a lot of the small release films (like Once) show just how accurate the awards are (as opposed to the Emmy Awards, who snubbed Friday Night Lights and gave an award to Boston Legal) in that the best truly do get nominated. Sure, there have been snubs, but if a film like Once with a 100k budget can deservedly win an award, I'd say the Oscars do a pretty good job. But of course it's there fault that Once didn't have a larger release.

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                    • jmood88
                      Sean Payton: Retribution
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 34639

                      #85
                      Re: 2008 Oscars

                      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                      Guys read my post after that one sheesh
                      Of course if people don't watch the movies that are nominated then they won't watch the awards but I don't see what point you're trying to make. Like The Soldier said, if these movies were actually advertised and shown in more than 3 theaters in the afternoon then more people would watch. The only reason I heard about alot of these movies were because of the internet and other one's(like that Diving Bell movie) I still have no idea where they came from or when they came out.
                      Originally posted by Blzer
                      Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                      If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                      • Cebby
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 22327

                        #86
                        Re: 2008 Oscars

                        Originally posted by jmood88
                        Of course if people don't watch the movies that are nominated then they won't watch the awards but I don't see what point you're trying to make.
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                        • aholbert32
                          (aka Alberto)
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 33106

                          #87
                          Re: 2008 Oscars

                          Originally posted by jmood88
                          Of course if people don't watch the movies that are nominated then they won't watch the awards but I don't see what point you're trying to make. Like The Soldier said, if these movies were actually advertised and shown in more than 3 theaters in the afternoon then more people would watch. The only reason I heard about alot of these movies were because of the internet and other one's(like that Diving Bell movie) I still have no idea where they came from or when they came out.
                          Juno and NCOM have been advertised like crazy. There are 2 reasons the ratings were down: Not big stars were nominated or had a chance to win (Clooney and Depp were nominated but no one thought they would beat Lewis) and there werent any mainstream movies nominated. Thats not the Academy's fault though. The only mainstream movie that I thought could have been nominated was American Gangster and thats a bit of a stretch.

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                          • rsnomar05
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 3662

                            #88
                            Re: 2008 Oscars

                            Originally posted by jmood88
                            Of course if people don't watch the movies that are nominated then they won't watch the awards but I don't see what point you're trying to make. Like The Soldier said, if these movies were actually advertised and shown in more than 3 theaters in the afternoon then more people would watch. The only reason I heard about alot of these movies were because of the internet and other one's(like that Diving Bell movie) I still have no idea where they came from or when they came out.
                            So should the Academy only nominate major-release films? I think his ignorant point meant that people should make a point to see the movies if they are that good. Like I said with Once, it had an unimaginably small release, yet when it got awards buzz, I Netflixed it.

                            What I don't understand is why some of these films, with the awards buzz they've gotten, don't then move to wider distribution. I think "nominated for best picture" as a slogan would drive a lot of people to go see a film.

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                            • ex carrabba fan
                              I'll thank him for you
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #89
                              Re: 2008 Oscars

                              Originally posted by jmood88
                              Of course if people don't watch the movies that are nominated then they won't watch the awards but I don't see what point you're trying to make. Like The Soldier said, if these movies were actually advertised and shown in more than 3 theaters in the afternoon then more people would watch. The only reason I heard about alot of these movies were because of the internet and other one's(like that Diving Bell movie) I still have no idea where they came from or when they came out.
                              Think about it in music terms Mood.

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                              • jmood88
                                Sean Payton: Retribution
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 34639

                                #90
                                Re: 2008 Oscars

                                Originally posted by rsnomar05
                                So should the Academy only nominate major-release films?
                                I didn't say anything like that.
                                Originally posted by Blzer
                                Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                                If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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