Are College Campuses Really Safer Now?

[SPTO]

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If anything, the victim should counter-sue the state. He was protecting his life fer crissakes!

[Beantown]

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What? Why is the victim being brought up on charges?

Join the club of people confused about that, as well. There's actually a "Justice for Jason" campaign going on campus over the course of the weeks since the event, with protests, petitions, rallies, etc.

The two attackers went into Jason's dorm, started fighting him, ended up breaking his nose and after his nose had been broken, Jason pulled a pocket knife out and fought back.

First, Jason was taken into custody on the scene - after the story was told, he was let go. A little while later, the cops showed back up and arrested him.

I'm pretty sure any competent lawyer should be able to get him off without anything serious happening to him. The two attackers are pretty much screwed, as their charges (assault fueled by hate crime) extend beyond the state level.

[MassNole]

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Join the club of people confused about that, as well. There's actually a "Justice for Jason" campaign going on campus over the course of the weeks since the event, with protests, petitions, rallies, etc.

The two attackers went into Jason's dorm, started fighting him, ended up breaking his nose and after his nose had been broken, Jason pulled a pocket knife out and fought back.

First, Jason was taken into custody on the scene - after the story was told, he was let go. A little while later, the cops showed back up and arrested him.

I'm pretty sure any competent lawyer should be able to get him off without anything serious happening to him. The two attackers are pretty much screwed, as their charges (assault fueled by hate crime) extend beyond the state level.

Trust me, most people don't understand the decisions the local DA's office makes around here. The woman who is the DA for Hampshire and Franklin counties has little business being an attorney, much less say the District Attorney. I know enough about her to know I'll never work in that office, which is really their loss.

[Beantown]

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Yeah, I heard about the threat last week (I think it was last week) where a note was found by a janitor. And I just learned a few minutes ago about the one from this morning

People are nuts.

Yeah, pretty much. Still thinking of coming here?

[SPTO]

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Trust me, most people don't understand the decisions the local DA's office makes around here. The woman who is the DA for Hampshire and Franklin counties has little business being an attorney, much less say the District Attorney. I know enough about her to know I'll never work in that office, which is really their loss.

That bad eh? How did she rise up the ranks then? I'm guessing the usual route of connecting with the right people at the right times.

[Double Eights]

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Yeah, pretty much. Still thinking of coming here?

Haha. I got accepted, but still haven't made my decision.

Every school gets threats like that, so I'm not too worried. However, I am worried about being a Yankees fan in a Red Sox town.

[Brandon13]

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Join the club of people confused about that, as well. There's actually a "Justice for Jason" campaign going on campus over the course of the weeks since the event, with protests, petitions, rallies, etc.

The two attackers went into Jason's dorm, started fighting him, ended up breaking his nose and after his nose had been broken, Jason pulled a pocket knife out and fought back.

First, Jason was taken into custody on the scene - after the story was told, he was let go. A little while later, the cops showed back up and arrested him.

I'm pretty sure any competent lawyer should be able to get him off without anything serious happening to him. The two attackers are pretty much screwed, as their charges (assault fueled by hate crime) extend beyond the state level.

Has it it hit the news yet? Get this in the papers and on television and I'd be surprised if the charges go any further.

[MassNole]

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That bad eh? How did she rise up the ranks then? I'm guessing the usual route of connecting with the right people at the right times.

Pretty much. To make matters worse she still stabs those who were loyal to her in the back. If I wasn't sworn to secrecy I'd spill the real big dirt.

[Beantown]

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Haha. I got accepted, but still haven't made my decision.

Every school gets threats like that, so I'm not too worried. However, I am worried about being a Yankees fan in a Red Sox town.

As long as the Yanks don't walk-off in Game 7 of the ALCS again, you'll be safe.

If that happens, hopefully you won't have a car on campus or it'd probably get flipped and lit on fire like last time...

I will say, though, I am incredibly glad I made the decision to transfer here, even with the threats, the assaults, and everything else. Like you said, every school has things like that and the overall atmosphere of the school here apart from that is amazing.

[mgoblue]

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Join the club of people confused about that, as well. There's actually a "Justice for Jason" campaign going on campus over the course of the weeks since the event, with protests, petitions, rallies, etc.

The two attackers went into Jason's dorm, started fighting him, ended up breaking his nose and after his nose had been broken, Jason pulled a pocket knife out and fought back.

First, Jason was taken into custody on the scene - after the story was told, he was let go. A little while later, the cops showed back up and arrested him.

I'm pretty sure any competent lawyer should be able to get him off without anything serious happening to him. The two attackers are pretty much screwed, as their charges (assault fueled by hate crime) extend beyond the state level.

What was the "hate crime" aspect? Racially motivated? Sexual orientation?

[Beantown]

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What was the "hate crime" aspect? Racially motivated? Sexual orientation?

Racial.

To get a little more specific without going against the TOS:

"According to the Amherst Gazette, "the incident was sparked at 4 a.m. when two women visiting Vassell’s dorm opened a window and found a man’s face pressed against the window staring back at them. When Vassell asked the man (allegedly Bowes) to explain himself, the man went into a ‘loud tirade of racial invectives and violent threats directed at Vassell,’ the report states. Vassell then told him to go away, but instead of leaving, the man allegedly began kicking the window. The women then left the room and the police were called. While waiting for the police to arrive, Vassell called a friend for support, the committee claims. When Vassell opened the door to let his friend inside, Bosse and Bowes also entered the lobby. One of the men then assaulted Vassell, breaking his nose, the report said. Following this, Bosse and Bowes were stabbed.""

[Beantown]

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Has it it hit the news yet? Get this in the papers and on television and I'd be surprised if the charges go any further.

It has hit the local news, though I doubt it hit (or will hit) the state-wide or national scene.

[SPTO]

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It has hit the local news, though I doubt it hit (or will hit) the state-wide or national scene.

Well if the state goes through with the charges against the victim then it might get national play probably on CNN.

[Beantown]

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Well if the state goes through with the charges against the victim then it might get national play probably on CNN.

I'd certainly hope so.

Did a search on CNN and nothing so far, but people can search "Jason Vassell" on Google and come up with a few results.

[wwharton]

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Completely agree with this point.

problem is the discussion isn't about whether or not Americans should be allowed to carry guns. It's about whether or not students and staff should be issued guns to protect themselves (or at least allowed to bring them to class and other places on campus if they qualify).

I'll admit, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, I do not own any guns. I have never shot a gun. I never said I'd be one of the students that would be carrying a gun. So why do you keep on insisting that I don't have what it takes to do what's necessary?

I never said I would have a gun, yet you keep talking as if I said I would.

And now you're making assumptions that my friends are inexperienced and don't know what to do. So please, enlighten me on what your point is.

Are you saying you wouldn't trust me with your safety? If so, I never said you should....as I said I wouldn't have a gun. Or are you saying you wouldn't trust anyone not wearing a badge, with your safety?

Either way, what the **** does it have to do with my post?

Others have elaborated so I've spoken pretty generally but to be more specific, you can't speak on anyone else's behalf. You can only speak on what you know. If you've never killed a person you have no idea whether or not you have it in you to do it. Same is true for shooting at a person, aiming properly at a person trying to shoot you, thinking rationally about the situation in general, etc. You're talking about people you know that can legally own guns and how often they go to a shooting range but paper targets aren't entering the classrooms. In a war when we know the enemy is out there and ready to shoot at us, I still wouldn't consider your friends properly trained to feel safe around them. Now imagine a classroom where being shot at is the furthest thing from your mind. Very few people are prepared for that situation and 99.999% of them would not be sitting in a college classroom. Having a gun in that situation when you're not prepared makes you more dangerous than someone unarmed.