What The Hell Is Going On?

[Chaos81]

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Lucky you live in Cali where weather is weather because it never changes! What if you had like 7 earthquakes in 2 weeks, would that be strange? Ask someone in Vegas about the almost daily minor earthquakes they have been having.
Unfortunately for some of us we have been going through some rough times and things just don't quite add up as being "weather".

It's weather.


And that's coming from someone that lives in Kansas, has had tornadoes about 10 miles from his house, and has seen the roads flood.

[p_rushing]

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Why do you think it is flooding? Didn't the northern Midwest get hammered with snow this year? What happens to snow when it gets hot? What happens to all that water when you add rain to the water from the snow? You get flooding. No surprise there, they already said it was going to flood more than normal because of the snow fall.

[Cebby]

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It's weather.

For real.

There are fires in the dry west? There are tornadoes in the mid west? The mid west is flooding?

What's next? There are hurricanes in the southeast? Volcanoes in the Pacific rim? Dry conditions causing famine in Africa and the middle east?

[ODogg]

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For real.

There are fires in the dry west? There are tornadoes in the mid west? The mid west is flooding?

What's next? There are hurricanes in the southeast? Volcanoes in the Pacific rim? Dry conditions causing famine in Africa and the middle east?

LoL! Exactly right man. But if only we'd all rode our bikes to work it all could have been avoided. LOL @ people that think man is responsible for this stuff.

[Rainey]

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Funny, after SuperJames posted those two articles I haven't seen anyone have a counterpoint. It always sucks to let facts get in the way with people's "ideas".

[LetsGoPitt]

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Funny, after SuperJames posted those two articles I haven't seen anyone have a counterpoint. It always sucks to let facts get in the way with people's "ideas".

To be honest, I didn't read the second article, but the first one is a joke. He claims to have read a lot of scientific evidence, and he very well may have, but he doesn't cite one damn thing. He merely presents his conclusions, which are naturally going to be biased. When someone refers to their debate opponent as "High Priest of Global Warming" their credibility goes out the window.

This isn't to say that the evidence against global warming doesn't exist, but there are no "facts" to be had in that article. It is certainly true that there is no definitive way to tell whether man is having an effect on the environment or not, because our window of evidence is way too small. However, there is a chance that we are contributing, so why not just do things that would be beneficial to the environment REGARDLESS of whether they are going to be "saving the planet" or simply helping us wean ourselves off of a resource that is costing us more and more money every week? I have yet to see an argument AGAINST changing the way we do things that doesn't boil down to a combination of a) greed ("it's too expensive!" -- never mind that we're paying 4x for gas now compared towhat we were paying about 15 years ago) and b) laziness.

[gtm]

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Short and sweet. "It's the human race". It's the top echelon and greed. Oh yea, the world population is out of control.

[ESPNdeportes]

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LoL! Exactly right man. But if only we'd all rode our bikes to work it all could have been avoided. LOL @ people that think man is responsible for this stuff.

Well, maybe if we had ridden our bikes or actually invested in alternative forms of transportation instead of just giving it lip service, we wouldn't be having the gas price crisis which is threatening to cripple the economy.

[ESPNdeportes]

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To be honest, I didn't read the second article, but the first one is a joke. He claims to have read a lot of scientific evidence, and he very well may have, but he doesn't cite one damn thing. He merely presents his conclusions, which are naturally going to be biased. When someone refers to their debate opponent as "High Priest of Global Warming" their credibility goes out the window.

This isn't to say that the evidence against global warming doesn't exist, but there are no "facts" to be had in that article. It is certainly true that there is no definitive way to tell whether man is having an effect on the environment or not, because our window of evidence is way too small. However, there is a chance that we are contributing, so why not just do things that would be beneficial to the environment REGARDLESS of whether they are going to be "saving the planet" or simply helping us wean ourselves off of a resource that is costing us more and more money every week? I have yet to see an argument AGAINST changing the way we do things that doesn't boil down to a combination of a) greed ("it's too expensive!" -- never mind that we're paying 4x for gas now compared towhat we were paying about 15 years ago) and b) laziness.

Good thoughts. With all due respect to John Coleman, he is a meteorologist, not a true climate scientist. Metereologists don't even have to take courses in climate change, let alone do research in the field. I hate that global warming has become so damn politicized (on both sides) when it should be a scientific matter. Current scientific opinion from climate scientists should be the main basis for action. And what they say is pretty clear- there is global warming, humans have contributed. They don't know how much, they can only speculate. Political rhetoric from either side doesn't change the science.

By the way, here is a great blog written about our climate. I highly recommend it, but it can get nitty and gritty. http://www.realclimate.org/

[daflyboys]

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Short and sweet. "It's the human race". It's the top echelon and greed. Oh yea, the world population is out of control.

I can see that being the cause of tornadoes. I really can.

[Cebby]

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However, there is a chance that we are contributing, so why not just do things that would be beneficial to the environment REGARDLESS of whether they are going to be "saving the planet" or simply helping us wean ourselves off of a resource that is costing us more and more money every week? I have yet to see an argument AGAINST changing the way we do things that doesn't boil down to a combination of a) greed ("it's too expensive!" -- never mind that we're paying 4x for gas now compared towhat we were paying about 15 years ago) and b) laziness.

There's one major problem with global warming that never seems to be addressed.

If the world is warming and if mankind is responsible for this occurrence, there is one and only one possible solution.

China and India must be destroyed. It doesn't have to be violent; conventional bombs and nuclear weapons would certainly expedite the process, but biological or chemical weapons could be deployed as well. Perhaps if we could turn their populations into zombies, we could rig them to a hamster wheel and create some energy. Regardless, the absolute destruction of both countries is absolutely essential to the saving of our planet.

Not only are these countries exceeding our energy use, but they're doing so in a wildly inefficient manner. For every drop of oil we don't use, they'll use in a way that is far more inefficient.

Aside from the fact that both countries can develop and deploy nuclear weapons, the only reason we haven't crushed these inefficient resource hogs are because of greed. People know that once China is destroyed, the party favor industry will be crippled beyond repair. Without paper party hats with elastic strings, cheap plastic toys that will be thrown away, and those things you blow and then they make that horn noise and expand, the United States would fall into anarchy.

Now, I personally am not advocating the destruction of China and India. I'm sure they very much enjoy their lives. However, if we're going to get serious and act to stop global climate change, it's ultimately going to end with them getting blowed up. On the positive side, if we bomb their coastlines enough, we could create a large trench, fill it with ocean water and mitigate the rising ocean problem as well. Then, when the ice caps melt, everything will be fine.

So the next time you're talking to someone about alternative energy or hybrid cars, be sure to proliferate the knowledge of China's impending doom. By doing so, you will be making the planet very happy.

Or, we could just accept that the world will do whatever the Hell it is going to do. There's plenty of oil to go around, and if worse comes to worse, we'll all be dead so we won't have to deal with it.

[ODogg]

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Well, maybe if we had ridden our bikes or actually invested in alternative forms of transportation instead of just giving it lip service, we wouldn't be having the gas price crisis which is threatening to cripple the economy.

The gas price crisis is because of the Ethanol fiasco and the fact that we as a country, because of certain folks, won't drill our own oil that we have sitting right here under our feet. It's not got anything to do with the weather. Drill in anwar and drill now if you want to see gas prices drop.

[ESPNdeportes]

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The gas price crisis is because of the Ethanol fiasco and the fact that we as a country, because of certain folks, won't drill our own oil that we have sitting right here under our feet. It's not got anything to do with the weather. Drill in anwar and drill now if you want to see gas prices drop.

I don't really think you can totally blame it on "the ethanol fiasco" but it certainly has played its part.

And I actually agree with you partially on drilling in Alaska. The problem is it is such a short-term solution. I'm no expert, but from what I've heard there is a good amount of crude oil there, but not a ton. There is enough to support total US consumption for about a year. Obviously, we wouldn't cut off supply from everywhere, but a lot of people would want to use it to replace the oil we get from the middle east. Thats fine, but again, short term solution- it would last at most 10-15 years. We can't just drill now and assume it will solve everything. We still have to seriously decrease our oil dependency. Oh well, at least Toyota announced they'll be putting out plug-in hybrids by 2010.

[superjames1992]

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The gas price crisis is because of the Ethanol fiasco and the fact that we as a country, because of certain folks, won't drill our own oil that we have sitting right here under our feet. It's not got anything to do with the weather. Drill in anwar and drill now if you want to see gas prices drop.

Also, don't pass the cap and trade like the Dems and McCain (sigh...) want to do. The cap and trade bill will just drive US industries overseas. They're not going to put up with any more taxes. We already have the highest (I think...I know it's a lot more than Europe) corporate income tax in the world. They're not going to put up with more taxes, so they'll move. Same with the windfall profits taxes on the oil companies that the Dems want to impose. Once industry moves overseas, the dollar's value will plummet, our national debt will skyrocket even more, and our economy will be destroyed and we will fall from our superpower status...

[HMcCoy]

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To be honest, I didn't read the second article, but the first one is a joke. He claims to have read a lot of scientific evidence, and he very well may have, but he doesn't cite one damn thing. He merely presents his conclusions, which are naturally going to be biased. When someone refers to their debate opponent as "High Priest of Global Warming" their credibility goes out the window.

This isn't to say that the evidence against global warming doesn't exist, but there are no "facts" to be had in that article. It is certainly true that there is no definitive way to tell whether man is having an effect on the environment or not, because our window of evidence is way too small. However, there is a chance that we are contributing, so why not just do things that would be beneficial to the environment REGARDLESS of whether they are going to be "saving the planet" or simply helping us wean ourselves off of a resource that is costing us more and more money every week? I have yet to see an argument AGAINST changing the way we do things that doesn't boil down to a combination of a) greed ("it's too expensive!" -- never mind that we're paying 4x for gas now compared towhat we were paying about 15 years ago) and b) laziness.

Because people have a natural tendacy to take a cynical view of things, especially those that challenge the status quo, and people don't like messages screamed at them. It's like anything thats over hyped will naturally have a base of people that despise it, for no other reason that it's hyped. There are some people that witness these crazy weather affects firsthand, and still cling to the notion that its all normal, just because the "Global Warming..OMG" people are so annoying.

All my life, winter snows used to go from November to March here in Cleveland. Now, for the last 5 years or so, it doesn't even start snowing consistently til around mid to late January, and now lasts well into April. My allergies are worse than they've ever been in my life since the weather patterns have changed, now spring rains come much later. Now without the spring rain to beat down pollen, the pollen count is off the charts, and me and my poor daughter wake up looking like a racoons because our eyes are so swollen. All of our allergy medicines are now over the counter, and all expensive as hell...because with everyones allergies going crazy, the healthcare industry doesn't want to pay for them anymore. My eye doctor said he had pre-written precriptions for allergy eyedrops this year he was so flooded with patients. The ladies in my dept are all complaining that their plants and flowers are blooming unpredictably and its alot tougher to maintain their little gardens, and the squirrels in my neighborhood have gone freaking bananas. For the past couple years those bastids have been digging holes in everyones yards storing freaking food. Global warming, Climate Change, the Heebie Jeebies...whatever they call it, all these seemingly innocent little things are affecting my life in a major way. Weather-dude needs to hit me up and explain that. Maybe this is a non-issue to some of you, but this crap is serious to me.

The poster above (ESPN deportes) hit the nail...it's a shame that people let the politcal messangers sway their thoughts on the subject, instead of the heeding the actual message. The funniest thing is that scientists point to 25 things that are happening with our planet, and folks will sorta disprove one or two of those 25 and then claim it's all bunk.

I'd bet alot of rational folks thought Columbus and others were pretty stupid with all their "world is round" nonsense...