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  • superjames1992
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    • Jun 2007
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    #31
    Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

    You see, five years is NOT enough time to make conclusions off of. Did you know that in the last ten years global temperatures have been coming down? They have been, contrary to popular belief. And carbon dioxide levels have continued to increase faster than ever, so that doesn't quite add up. It may have been warm for the last five years in Cleveland, but that is a local climate and not the overall world climate.

    And since the Soviet Union fell back in 1991, many weather reporting stations are no longer working in the frigid tundra of Siberia. That means that since there are less weather stations in cold areas, the global mean temperature would increase.

    And please take a look at how biased the NOAA's weather stations are by putting termperature recording stations next to parking lots, air conditionings, ect. No wonder the temperature has gone up when our temperature gauges are above rooves, parking lots, and next to hot air conditioning units.





    A weather sensor placed on top of a building, geez, no wonder its reading warmer readings. How about these pictures too.



    Next to a paved parking lot on concrete? Is this how temperature is recorded?



    Another one mere feet from a parking lot.



    How about that air conditioners folks, not to mention the parking lot.



    Right next to a concrete pool! Okay, most of the NOAA sensors that the global scaring weenies are whining about are placed where temperature gradients are hugely increased due to there surroundings. The NOAA is suppose to have these MMTS sensors placed in uninhabited areas to accurately measure temperature. So if there saying the worlds temperature has risen 1 degree, some would say, that's all?....hence where you put the sensors. It's kind of like putting your thermostat in your oven to measure the temperature of your house.


    And LOL at this one...



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    <table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="3" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Meteorologist Documents Warming Bias in U.S. Temperature Stations
    Written By: James M. Taylor
    Published In: Environment News
    Publication Date: November 1, 2007
    Publisher: The Heartland Institute
    </td> <td>
    </td></tr></tbody></table> <hr> New research suggests the temperature stations used to calculate statistics on temperatures in the United States are wrong and show more warming than has actually occurred.

    Anthony Watts, a veteran meteorologist from Chico, California, believes in sound science. So much so, in fact, that he singlehandedly created a volunteer army of citizen-scientists to make sure climate scientists are receiving the most accurate information available regarding U.S. temperature readings.

    Unfortunately, the scientists who compute the nation's average annual temperature seem to have little interest in obtaining accurate information.

    Properties Thoroughly Specified

    Watts is the creator of surfacestations.org, a project that gathers data about the temperature measurement stations used by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to compute yearly U.S. temperatures.

    To qualify as a properly maintained temperature station, accurate temperature sensors must be placed in an elevated, slatted box on relatively flat ground surrounded by a clear surface on a slope below 19 degrees. Surrounding grass and low vegetation ground cover must be less than 10 centimeters high. Temperature sensors must be located at least 100 meters from artificial heating or reflecting surfaces, such as buildings, concrete surfaces, and parking lots.

    The sensors must also be far from large bodies of water, unless it is representative of the area, and even then located at least 100 meters away. No shading of the temperature sensors should occur when the sun elevation is greater than 3 degrees.

    Meeting the above specifications is important to ensure no artificial heating or cooling signal is reported in the data. For example, if a parking lot is built adjacent to a temperature sensor, the asphalt and running engines of automobiles will provide an artificial heat source that would skew the temperature data to report a warming that does not in fact exist.

    Most Stations Fail Miserably

    Concerned because a 1997 study by the U.S. National Research Council concluded the consistency and quality of temperature stations was "inadequate and deteriorating" and the U.S. Historical Climatological Network (USHCN), charged with maintaining the temperature stations, was doing nothing to address temperature station shortcomings, Watts decided to begin analyzing the temperature stations himself.

    A quick survey of a few randomly chosen temperature stations revealed the stations frequently fell short of the rules established for proper maintenance. As a meteorologist concerned about the accuracy of climate data, Watts has made it his goal to collect photographs and site information for all 1,221 official weather stations maintained by the USHCN.

    Through his own efforts and those of citizen volunteers who photograph weather stations and take meticulous notes on the sites, Watts is one-third of the way toward meeting his goal.

    What he has discovered is that far more stations fail to meet prescribed standards than are properly maintained. Using a scale from 1 to 5, by which stations that are properly maintained receive a rating of 1 and stations that are severely compromised by artificial temperature signatures (being located adjacent to an artificial heating source, such as a building, rooftop, parking lot, or concrete surface, for example) receive a 5, Watts reports fully 70 percent of official temperature stations receive a 4 or 5 rating, and only 4 percent receive a 1.

    Next to Trash Burners, BBQs

    Some of the most egregious shortcomings include heat-emitting air conditioning compressors being located directly adjacent to a sensor; vehicles parked next to sensors head-in; heat-generating electronics, electrical components, and light bulbs being placed in the sensor shelters within inches of the sensor; barbeques and trash-burning barrels placed next to temperature sensors; sensors being located in the middle of large expanses of asphalt and concrete; and sensors in heat traps on roofs or next to buildings--all in violation of NOAA standards for temperature measurement.

    Each of these violations results in temperature sensors reporting warmer temperatures than are actually the case.
    "None of these things witnessed by observers and captured by photography are known or accounted for by climate researchers," Watts said.

    Inconsistent Paint Covering

    Another artificial warming signal discovered by Watts is that before 1970 temperature stations were housed in whitewashed, slatted boxes. Since 1970, however, temperature station boxes have been painted with semi-gloss latex. Latex paint absorbs more heat than whitewash, and the change to latex paint at official temperature stations may account for half of the U.S. warming reported since 1970.

    Watts is far from finished with his work. His immediate goals are to assemble photographs and analysis of all 1,221 USHCN temperature stations, to add infrared images to the photographs he has assembled, and to launch a study of the urban heat island effect by directly measuring temperatures at varying distances from urban centers.

    Readers wishing to assist Watts in these ongoing efforts can go to http://www.surfacestations.org for more information.
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    • ESPNdeportes
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      • Jul 2002
      • 3459

      #32
      Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

      Originally posted by superjames1992
      You see, five years is NOT enough time to make conclusions off of. Did you know that in the last ten years global temperatures have been coming down? They have been, contrary to popular belief. And carbon dioxide levels have continued to increase faster than ever, so that doesn't quite add up. It may have been warm for the last five years in Cleveland, but that is a local climate and not the overall world climate.

      And since the Soviet Union fell back in 1991, many weather reporting stations are no longer working in the frigid tundra of Siberia. That means that since there are less weather stations in cold areas, the global mean temperature would increase.

      And please take a look at how biased the NOAA's weather stations are by putting termperature recording stations next to parking lots, air conditionings, ect. No wonder the temperature has gone up when our temperature gauges are above rooves, parking lots, and next to hot air conditioning units.





      A weather sensor placed on top of a building, geez, no wonder its reading warmer readings. How about these pictures too.



      Next to a paved parking lot on concrete? Is this how temperature is recorded?



      Another one mere feet from a parking lot.



      How about that air conditioners folks, not to mention the parking lot.



      Right next to a concrete pool! Okay, most of the NOAA sensors that the global scaring weenies are whining about are placed where temperature gradients are hugely increased due to there surroundings. The NOAA is suppose to have these MMTS sensors placed in uninhabited areas to accurately measure temperature. So if there saying the worlds temperature has risen 1 degree, some would say, that's all?....hence where you put the sensors. It's kind of like putting your thermostat in your oven to measure the temperature of your house.


      And LOL at this one...




      Some, maybe all of that is true (I don't know), but realize the source you're pulling it from. Patrioticthunder.com hardly sounds unbiased.

      Check out the blog I posted earlier, I've found it to be the most unbiased source of info.
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      • ESPNdeportes
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        • Jul 2002
        • 3459

        #33
        Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

        Originally posted by HMcCoy
        The poster above (ESPN deportes) hit the nail...it's a shame that people let the politcal messangers sway their thoughts on the subject, instead of the heeding the actual message. The funniest thing is that scientists point to 25 things that are happening with our planet, and folks will sorta disprove one or two of those 25 and then claim it's all bunk.
        Yeah, there is a LOT of cherry picking of the data on both sides. Quite annoying.
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        • DickDalewood

          #34
          Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

          I'm right here in the heart of these floods in Cedar Rapids, Iowa... it really is an unbelievable sight.

          If you guys get a chance, go poke around online and find some pics of downtown completely submerged in water... insane.

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          • Jackdog
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            • Aug 2002
            • 7719

            #35
            Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

            Originally posted by dickdalewood
            I'm right here in the heart of these floods in Cedar Rapids, Iowa... it really is an unbelievable sight.

            If you guys get a chance, go poke around online and find some pics of downtown completely submerged in water... insane.
            Where's the looters?

            Seriously,my heart goes out to all of you. Good luck and God bless.
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            • Hootiefish
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              • Aug 2002
              • 933

              #36
              Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

              http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/weathe...ing/index.html

              I guess this kills the theory that global warming is due to weather stations putting their thermometers on roofs and parking lots, huh?

              And they've already said that this is part of no cycle.

              Fire away.
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              • Village Idiot
                Probably Insane
                • Sep 2004
                • 2733

                #37
                Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                My stock answer for this sort of question is to refer to the 1960's. Vietnam, leaders getting assassinated all over the place, the hippie movement. You don't think that's just as good of fodder for "end of the world" talk as today's environment? Or how about the WWII era? Holocaust and Hiroshima ring any bells? Or the Great Depression? What do you think it would have been like to live as a Roman during Rome's fall? Inquisition, anyone? Salem Witch Trials? I mean, this list is endless to anyone who knows the first thing about history.

                It's all about individual perspective. "What the hell is going on?" Reality. Ain't it grand?
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                • Jistic
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                  • Mar 2003
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                  #38
                  Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                  Originally posted by The Soldier
                  If the world is warming and if mankind is responsible for this occurrence, there is one and only one possible solution.

                  China and India must be destroyed.



                  The difference between this post and most of the posts in this thread, is that this one is entertaining.
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                  • hogfan
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 1281

                    #39
                    Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                    Originally posted by ODogg
                    The gas price crisis is because of the Ethanol fiasco and the fact that we as a country, because of certain folks, won't drill our own oil that we have sitting right here under our feet. It's not got anything to do with the weather. Drill in anwar and drill now if you want to see gas prices drop.
                    We could pump an endless supply of oil from any of the various locations and it wouldn't matter.

                    Refinery capacity is the problem.

                    Why don't we build more refineries?

                    They take years to build.... and more importantly, no one wants one in their back yard.

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                    • superjames1992
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                      • Jun 2007
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                      #40
                      Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                      Originally posted by Hootiefish
                      http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/weathe...ing/index.html

                      I guess this kills the theory that global warming is due to weather stations putting their thermometers on roofs and parking lots, huh?

                      And they've already said that this is part of no cycle.

                      Fire away.
                      Meh, I don't believe it.

                      Did you all know that the earth's average temperature has not risen over the last ten years? Believe it or not, it is true.

                      EDIT: And considering we just emerged from the little ice age, we should be seeing global warming. From 1300-1800 (give or take), we were in the little ice age, when crops failed, it snowed during the summer, and disease and famine were widespread. Now, we are warming back up again as we should. Before the little ice age in the period from 900-1300, we were in the medieval warm period. It was just as warm then as it is now and humans were flourishing. The way I look at it, no ice at the north pole means a longer and better growing season and opens up new places to grow crops, which is beneficial to the human race.
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                      • Cebby
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                        #41
                        Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                        Originally posted by superjames1992
                        Did you all know that the earth's average temperature has not risen over the last ten years? Believe it or not, it is true.
                        Average temperature is irrelevant.

                        For example (I'm making numbers up but the point is the same), if the average temperature in the winter is 30 degrees and the average temperature in the summer is 90 degrees, the average temperature is 60 degrees.

                        However, if the average winter temperature is 0 degrees and the average summer temperature is 120 degrees, you're still at the 60 degree average, but needless to say, your life has become quite a bit more uncomfortable.

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                        • Hootiefish
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                          • Aug 2002
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                          #42
                          Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                          Originally posted by superjames1992
                          Meh, I don't believe it.

                          Did you all know that the earth's average temperature has not risen over the last ten years? Believe it or not, it is true.

                          Now, we are warming back up again as we should.
                          But you just contradicted yourself and your earlier statements. Are we heating up, or not? Is it because of temperature gauges in parking lots, or are we staying steady? It has got to be one or the other.
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                          • superjames1992
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                            #43
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                            Originally posted by Hootiefish
                            But you just contradicted yourself and your earlier statements. Are we heating up, or not? Is it because of temperature gauges in parking lots, or are we staying steady? It has got to be one or the other.
                            What I mean is that over the last 200 years we have warmed up. That is a fact. And we should have since we were previously in an ice age. I think that temperature gauges in parking lots and the such could exaggerate the rise in temperature. That is what I mean. Temperatures have neither risen nor fallen over the last ten years, so we could be done warming up. We could even be entering an ice age, who knows?

                            Climatology is such a new science that it has plenty of flaws. Climatologists themselves say that it is a very new science and that they are inexperienced with it. I tend to not believe many of the computer models because, when you put garbage information into the computer, it will spit garbage out. How can someone tell me what the temperature is going to be in 50 or 100 years when they can't even tell me if it is going to rain for sure tomorrow?

                            I was just saying that if the earth is warming, it is not necessarily a bad thing.

                            Anyways, I probably better stop as to not violate the TOS.
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                            • slickdtc
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                              • Aug 2004
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                              #44
                              Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                              How can someone tell me what the temperature is going to be in 50 or 100 years when they can't even tell me if it is going to rain for sure tomorrow?
                              Wow, I hadn't even thought about that. Good point.
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                              • ODogg
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                                #45
                                Re: What The Hell Is Going On?

                                LOL, exactly, they can't even predict a week out for weather and they think they can tell us what will happen in 50 years??? In the 70's the big "scare" was global cooling, what ever happened to that? The earth goes through cycles, that is the reality. The whole idea that man is heating up everything and causing chaos in the weather spectrum is just a ploy by those who have a vested interest in getting people to accept that it's true. Not only is there no scientific proof of it but it's very arrogant.
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