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  • marshallfever
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    • Aug 2003
    • 2738

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    Superman Trilogy......

    Since the success of the film "Wanted", which bared little relation to his original comic, Mark Millar has been boastful in interviews about his pitch for a new take on "Superman" that he and a 'big-Hollywood action director' will shortly be making to Warner Bros. Pictures.

    Now, talking with Empire Online, he revealed some new details about his ambitious eight-hour screen story which "will follow the entire life of Kal-El."

    Millar says the plan will be one saga in three parts, each film released a year apart. Millar says ""It's gonna be like Michael Corleone in the Godfather films, the entire story from beginning to end, you see where he starts, how he becomes who he becomes, and where that takes him."

    So that will involve what exactly? "I want to start on Krypton, a thousand years ago, and end with Superman alone on Planet Earth, the last being left on the planet, as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his powers."
    Too many people think of Superman as a generic or boring character, that's not the case. Superman is actually one of the more interesting characters out there in the comic world.

    The Dark Knight has proven, that a Superhero movie can and should do more than just be about action, but should contain a compelling story. The thing with Superman is that he's a Boyscott. He is a good as can be.

    What would be great for a director/writer to do is turn that upside down. We don't necessarily need a Dark Superman since that's not his character, but a Superman whose been put in a situation where he has to really re-think his morals. He has to be put in a situation where his super power don't do anything for him.

    A simple generic example of this, is putting Superman in a situation where he has to either save Lois Lane (he love of his life) or hundredths of people. Such a decision would not only greatly affect him, but all those that look up to him. Saving Lois means, the rest of the world sort of shun him for all the lives lost, yet saving the people means a broken heart with no more Lois Lane.

    They can even go further with making him so Angry he does the unthinkable and decides to end the life of the person responsible for the death of Ms. Lane. Then we can really see his character fall apart.

    Like i mentioned before, he's one of the more interesting characters because he's so one sided. The thing is no one has been able to bring turn his morals upside down on him. No one has been able to push him in ways that he can't push back.

    With Batman, we know he's the Dark Knight. If Batman was to kill someone, yes there would be anger, but because he is this darker character, it wouldn't be on the same level as Superman doing it. Putting a one sided character like Superman in a situation he can't control is the best way to truly explore his character and his emotions.

    Superman isn't like some of the other super heroes out there. He looks for acceptance because he's so different. Also putting him in a role where the people have turned away from him is another good idea.

    About a new Superman movie, i really think they should use Brainiac. We're currently in a time where technology is so huge. They can start Brainiac as a virus that has spread through the internet. Another good thing is, Brainiac trying to create himself a body. We all know we need a person that can go head to head with Superman.

    They can have Brainiac setting up situations where Superman is tested emotionally, and also have him try to build himself a body that can go head to head with Superman. That wouldn't be as far fetched as Doomsday or Darksied.
  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #2
    Re: Superman Trilogy......

    Very ambitious plans and I agree Supes is more epic then how most people see him. I just don't think an 8 hour 3 movie extravaganza would work. You know how expensive this would be?!

    Personally it sounds best suited to an Elseworlds Graphic Novel. Nonetheless, if this does get done i'd be the first in line to see the movies
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    • Fresh Tendrils
      Strike Hard and Fade Away
      • Jul 2002
      • 36131

      #3
      Re: Superman Trilogy......

      I want to see Batman wail the **** out of Superman on the movie screen before I die.

      As for Superman's morals, I remember them being a little bit out of alignment in Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns.

      If a Superman trilogy does get picked up, I would like to see Routh come back as Supes.



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      • Seymour Scagnetti
        Banned
        • Oct 2006
        • 2489

        #4
        Re: Superman Trilogy......

        It's not that Superman is that boring, It's that everything he does is anti-climatic because he's invincible and this Kryptonite thing is overplayed to the point of boring. Put it this way. Say they do have some villain, be it Braniac or whoever, who is just as powerful as Superman. How in hell are they gonna end it if both guys are invincible. I mean like it's not like one of them can die, at least in Superman's case. It just makes any action in the movie pointless. So then you're stuck going back to the kryptonite crutch and how many times does that to be used without it seeming as a cheap plot device in a futile attempt to put him in jeopardy.

        Superman 2 did it right with him losing his powers for Lois Lane but now that's been done you gotta go somewhere else for the big guy to be in true danger.

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        • Brankles
          Banned
          • May 2003
          • 5113

          #5
          Re: Superman Trilogy......

          I agree with Mr. Scagnetti. Superman never appealed to me because he had almost no weakness. He was invulnerable.

          Batman, Spiderman, The Hulk, Iron Man, those are all good characters because they're human and you never know what's going to happen with them. I don't really have any emotional connection with the Superman character for this reason.


          The OP brings up some interesting plot ideas... but those ideas have already been seen and perfected in the newest Batman movie. The only difference is that Batman won't just jump off the ground, fly off, laser-eye and freeze breath people because he doesn't have that ability. He has so much to lose and so much to work for to accomplish the things he's done

          Superman (with a twist) would still be a good movie, I just don't think it would be that original or as gripping as a Batman or Iron Man film.

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          • Candyman5
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            • Nov 2006
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            #6
            Re: Superman Trilogy......

            I want to see a Superman movie with Doomsday in it.
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            • JayBee74
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              • Jul 2002
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              #7
              Re: Superman Trilogy......

              Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
              It's not that Superman is that boring, It's that everything he does is anti-climatic because he's invincible and this Kryptonite thing is overplayed to the point of boring. Put it this way. Say they do have some villain, be it Braniac or whoever, who is just as powerful as Superman. How in hell are they gonna end it if both guys are invincible. I mean like it's not like one of them can die, at least in Superman's case. It just makes any action in the movie pointless. So then you're stuck going back to the kryptonite crutch and how many times does that to be used without it seeming as a cheap plot device in a futile attempt to put him in jeopardy.

              Superman 2 did it right with him losing his powers for Lois Lane but now that's been done you gotta go somewhere else for the big guy to be in true danger.
              Actually Superman can be stopped and even killed by Kryptonite, magic, and any other more powerful force or creature than can be conjured up. What makes Superman and other superheroes' battles and storylines anticlimactic is the fact that they are virtually guaranteed NOT to die, at least when in "franchise mode". Their battles are suspenseless-Spidey VS Green Goblin, Ironman VS Jeff Bridges, Batman VS Joker-Did any of these battles keep you on the edge of your seat like The Dan VS Captain matchup on Deadwood?

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              • SPTO
                binging
                • Feb 2003
                • 68046

                #8
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                Originally posted by Candyman5
                I want to see a Superman movie with Doomsday in it.
                I don't know why they didn't make a Doomsday trilogy in the first place. I'm telling you, a movie event where the superhero (remember we comic type geeks are not the majority) dies at the end of the first film rather then winning would be interesting and be a great set up for the next two film.

                Yes some plot elements of the original storyline would need updating but it's not a story that can't be updated. I think WB is just too conservative to go with something like that though. I do think they'd be more willing to do something epic or different after the success of the Nolan Bat-Films so far.
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                • Candyman5
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                  • Nov 2006
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                  #9
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                  Originally posted by SPTO
                  I don't know why they didn't make a Doomsday trilogy in the first place. I'm telling you, a movie event where the superhero (remember we comic type geeks are not the majority) dies at the end of the first film rather then winning would be interesting and be a great set up for the next two film.

                  Yes some plot elements of the original storyline would need updating but it's not a story that can't be updated. I think WB is just too conservative to go with something like that though. I do think they'd be more willing to do something epic or different after the success of the Nolan Bat-Films so far.
                  Yes exactly! Have the first movie where Superman foils Lex Luthers plot. Well then have Doomsday Punch his way out of the ground and meet superman for the first time and have Doomsday **** up Superman. Superman retreats and regroups. Now whether or not they go the Justice League approach when Superman fights Doomsday the second time or not. Putting Maxima in the fight. And of course Doomsday laying waste to every other super hero with one hand. Like in the comics. Have the movie end with that epic final punch between Doomsday and Superman. If I remember correctly, Cyber Superman sends the remains of Doonsday to space.

                  The second movie can be about Cyber Superman and about the real superman not really dead. Held on to a string of life. Well the end of that be about the fight between them.

                  Last Movie could be where superman battles on another planet with doomsday again and he has a mother box. The end of that battle ends up Superman gets defeated but Doomsday gets sent to the end of time.

                  The link below is all about Doomsday. My ideas came from that and what I know about some of the comics.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_(comics)#cite_note-hunter-2
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                  • Money99
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                    • Sep 2002
                    • 12695

                    #10
                    Re: Superman Trilogy......

                    Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                    I want to see Batman wail the **** out of Superman on the movie screen before I die.

                    As for Superman's morals, I remember them being a little bit out of alignment in Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns.

                    If a Superman trilogy does get picked up, I would like to see Routh come back as Supes.
                    I honestly don't get the fascination with this.
                    Why do Batman fans LOATHE Superman?

                    I'm a big fan of both heroes but I never got why there has to be so much hate between the two.
                    I'm also tired of seeing Superman constantly losing to Batman. The truth is, if Superman ever got ticked off, he could literally wipe Batman off the face of the earth. But he's a good guy and so is Batman.
                    Why would Batman want to beat-up or defeat Superman? They both want to stop crime and make life safe for citizens.

                    Yes, Batman gets more rough than Superman but in the end, they're both vigilantes but with different methods. I'm sure if Batman had Superman's powers he wouldn't have to use intimidation or fear to produce results. Superman's not an idiot and I think he understands why Batman does what he does.
                    In the new Batman films, Batman actually sounds a lot like Superman. He refused to kill the murdering thief in Batman Begins and demands that he get a fair trial.
                    He also refused to kill the Joker in TDK because he doesn't believe in taking life if at all avoidable.

                    Sorry to hijack the thread, but I'm still perplexed as to why Batman fans are forced to hate Superman and vice versa.

                    Anyway, I'm really looking forward to this reboot of Superman. Mark Miller is a great writer so I'm sure it will be an epic story.

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                    • JayBee74
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #11
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                      The last decent Superman movie was Superman 2.

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                      • Fresh Tendrils
                        Strike Hard and Fade Away
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 36131

                        #12
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                        I don't hate Superman, I just want to see Batman kick his *** on the big screen since there have been several times that Superman gets his *** handed to him by Batman in the comics.



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                        • JayBee74
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #13
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                          What has happened to the "World's Finest" spirit?

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                          • Leon
                            An Old Trafford
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 4981

                            #14
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                            Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                            I don't hate Superman, I just want to see Batman kick his *** on the big screen since there have been several times that Superman gets his *** handed to him by Batman in the comics.
                            While that would be very interesting to see, I never really understood the fascination people have with Batman kicking Superman's ***. I love both characters but seriously now, there will never be a real and fair fight between the two.

                            Superman can just use heat-vision and burn Batman to a certain point (which has been done, btw, when Superman was under mind-control by Max Lord) 'till he quits and game over. But no one will write such a fight 'cause it's boring.

                            For Batman, all he needs is kryptonite. Is that fair? For Batman, hell yeah. Superman? No. That thing weakens and kills him, a debilitating device. Yay for Batman but c'mon, he just kicked a handicapped man's ***.

                            I'd rather those guys just be friends 'cause the notion of them fighting each other in a fair fight is just ridiculous.
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                            • Money99
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                              • Sep 2002
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                              Originally posted by Leon
                              While that would be very interesting to see, I never really understood the fascination people have with Batman kicking Superman's ***. I love both characters but seriously now, there will never be a real and fair fight between the two.

                              Superman can just use heat-vision and burn Batman to a certain point (which has been done, btw, when Superman was under mind-control by Max Lord) 'till he quits and game over. But no one will write such a fight 'cause it's boring.

                              For Batman, all he needs is kryptonite. Is that fair? For Batman, hell yeah. Superman? No. That thing weakens and kills him, a debilitating device. Yay for Batman but c'mon, he just kicked a handicapped man's ***.

                              I'd rather those guys just be friends 'cause the notion of them fighting each other in a fair fight is just ridiculous.
                              Thank you.

                              And every time Superman gets his *** handed to him by Batman it's because the writer wanted it to happen.
                              In Superman comics, Batman loses because the Superman writer wanted it to happen.

                              It's hardly ever a realistic portrayal of how or why a fight between the two would ever occur.

                              But it seems to me that the majority of Batman fanatics simply cannot accept that Batman can be beaten by any man (or thing) at any time. And that's why in his world, it never happens because there would be a major outcry from the pro-Batman community and sales would suffer.

                              Meanwhile, if you thought logically, if Batman had to go up against any superhero or super-villain, in a spontaneous fight, he would not only lose, but die in each confrontation.
                              Last edited by Money99; 11-06-2008, 09:19 AM.

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