*** LOST: Season 5 Discussion***

[CMH]

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Ok the end all of end alls.

Roger's jump suit says "Work Man."

Jack's says "Workman."

Small subtle difference that makes all the difference.

End argument.

[CMH]

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A few questions I have:

Where the heck are Rose & Bernard?

Why is Ethan's last name Rom and not Godspeed? (I assume it could be Amy's maiden name)

How can Jin speak fluent english in 1977 when he couldn't in present time?

How come Kate's name was not on the updated list but Jack's was? I think Juliet may have purposely assigned her to a job that is nowhere near to where Sawyer is working. The picture that Christian showed Sun had Kate in blue overalls just like Juliet, and Juliet is a mechanic.

I'm assuming Sun was not at Jack's dad's funeral? If she was, wouldn't she have recognized him from pictures and so forth at the funeral?

When Christian showed Sun the picture from 1977 did anyone notice the front door open? What was with that?

Please read the thread.

1. Rose and Bernard decided to separate from Sawyer, Miles, Charlotte, Faraday, Juliet, and Locke by going to the beach. No one knows where they are after that point.

2. We don't know why Ethan's last name is different. But, considering that he becomes an Other after being born into DHARMA might figure into him assuming a new identity.

3. *slams head* Jin traveled back to 1974. He has spent three years with english speaking people and thus has learned how to speak proper English in 1977.

He is in his own present time.

4. Much ado about nothing, I assume. We already know as viewers that Juliet is going to feel threatened by Kate's arrival. Heck, she looked like she was going to flip out when Sawyer told her who had come back. So, the writers gave us a little game to enjoy. "Oh, did Juliet just play Kate by leaving her off the list? Oh no she didn't!" No, she didn't. But, it got mostly everyone worked up.

5. Who went to Christian's funeral? I believe we saw Kate and then we saw Claire's mother, Carole. If Sun didn't recognize Christian, then we can only assume she has never seen him before, right?

6. This has been discussed. Gotta read the thread. There's a person sitting behind Sun. There is speculation it is Claire. There is speculation it was Smokie. There is speculation beyond speculation. No one knows the true answer, but something was going on.

[MachoMyers]

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Loved Sayid's expression in seeing Jin and Sawyer this episode. He just had that "heeeeey man" look going on.

[Pete1210]

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So, how do you all think Ben, Locke, etc...will get back to 1977? Do you think they'll have to do the whole moving the island thing again until they all meet in time?

Maybe the present run down Dharma Processing Center is a time portal that those able can travel through back to 1977.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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So, how do you all think Ben, Locke, etc...will get back to 1977? Do you think they'll have to do the whole moving the island thing again until they all meet in time?

Why would they go back in time? Since they can't change the events of time according to Faraday they eventually have to get back to 2007 or else they would perish in the purge. I assume we get a few more "backstory" episodes and then Locke on the Hydra island and Sun and Lapidus sync everyone up.

I'm also thinking that the reason Sun didn't flash was because of Jin on the island and in the past. They are the only ones that had a real history before the crash...you know, being married and all (everyone else was just random chance meetings). You'd have some major time issues if Jin and Sun hooked up, had a kid in the past, then warped to the present or what have you.

[fistofrage]

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Why would they go back in time? Since they can't change the events of time according to Faraday they eventually have to get back to 2007 or else they would perish in the purge. I assume we get a few more "backstory" episodes and then Locke on the Hydra island and Sun and Lapidus sync everyone up.

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I'm not so sure you can't change the events. Faraday mentioned something about being on a different track now. But at the same time, everything that happened up until the point that they started jumping through time actually happened. But now they are on a different track. Faraday mentioned that he wouldn't talk to the young Charlotte now and try to alter the future.

Its strange, this is the 2nd time jump cycle through "time jumps". The 1st one(that we didn't see) was Faraday going back in time infiltrating Dharma and talking to Charlotte(unless that is this jump and I'm confused but I think Faraday was jumping time before independent of the Losties). Now we have the 2nd one that we are seeing and its the Losties infiltrating Dharma. Who knows what they will do. But even Alperts actions were based on Locke visiting him in the past and telling him where to visit him as a child. That effected the future to some extent I would think.

[CMH]

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Cuse and Lindeloff have said a lot that eventually has been very vague.

But one thing they said was that the show is so confusing that they will never confuse people more by switching around events without telling us.

So, if that is the case, then Faraday with the Donkey Wheel should not be something that is happening now. It should have happened while everyone was going through the time jumps. If this proves to be false then the producers have once again stretched the truth.

[fistofrage]

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Cuse and Lindeloff have said a lot that eventually has been very vague.

But one thing they said was that the show is so confusing that they will never confuse people more by switching around events without telling us.

So, if that is the case, then Faraday with the Donkey Wheel should not be something that is happening now. It should have happened while everyone was going through the time jumps. If this proves to be false then the producers have once again stretched the truth.

Can you elaborate?

Remember that scene where Faraday is down in the Dharama mine and they discover the wheel?

Is that during this jump right now while the other Losties are in 1977 with Dharma? Or was that a separate jump? I was under the impression that Faraday did that during a separate time jump previous to encountering the Losties.

[poster]

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So the Dharma station where Christan appeared, the Losties have never been in there? I thought they kind of lived in the "neighborhood" there for a bit, so how did they never see the Dharma yearbook pictures on the wall?

Loved the episode. I have no idea where they are taking it. Lots of talk of it "being one big dream". I actually am re-watching from the beginning and just watched the Season 3 episode with Desmond where he relives what happens after he turns the key.

He talks to Eloise and she says you can't alter the events no matter what you do, they will always happen in the end. We saw that with Charlie, but it hasn't always been the case now that we are to this current point. I kind of forgot about Desmond's "dream" but after watching it again, I wonder how significant that will be in the end. I want more Desmond.

[CMH]

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Can you elaborate?

Remember that scene where Faraday is down in the Dharama mine and they discover the wheel?

Is that during this jump right now while the other Losties are in 1977 with Dharma? Or was that a separate jump? I was under the impression that Faraday did that during a separate time jump previous to encountering the Losties.

The producers said that all "flashes" happen in order. This came up as a result of the first Sayid flash-forward. People wondered if the golf scene was after Sayid killed the girl and spoke to Ben. The producers confirmed that all events happened in order and unless specified, all flashes occur in order in an episode (not necessarily in order in the entire series).

If that's the case, then when did Faraday's flash occur? If flashes occur in order in an specific episode, then that flash was not exactly indepedent of everyone's travels. I've read speculation that that flash is from 1977. That this is where Faraday is during the episode "Namaste."

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm curious. If that's the case, then the producers lied.

[CMH]

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So the Dharma station where Christan appeared, the Losties have never been in there? I thought they kind of lived in the "neighborhood" there for a bit, so how did they never see the Dharma yearbook pictures on the wall?

It better not be a dream. Two shows (one a soap opera, the other being Dallas, I think) nearly died because of that crap. If Lost is a dream, I will never watch those producers again.

Anyway, to answer the question. I think this is where things are obviously confusing. It's either:

1. The Losties never saw their pictures on the wall because it didn't exist. They hadn't been to 1977 yet to take the picture. So, right now, they are rewriting history. Which makes Faraday wrong.

2. The Losties were never in that house or never paid attention to the pictures. If that's the case, then they are not rewriting history. They are simply unaware that they are living their lives as it had already been predetermined. This would make Faraday right.

So, either Faraday is wrong and will probably end up succeeding in saving Charlotte or he is right and he's going through an endless, winless battle to change what can not be changed.

*takes breath*

Who knows anymore?

[fistofrage]

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It better not be a dream. Two shows (one a soap opera, the other being Dallas, I think) nearly died because of that crap. If Lost is a dream, I will never watch those producers again.

Anyway, to answer the question. I think this is where things are obviously confusing. It's either:

1. The Losties never saw their pictures on the wall because it didn't exist. They hadn't been to 1977 yet to take the picture. So, right now, they are rewriting history. Which makes Faraday wrong.

2. The Losties were never in that house or never paid attention to the pictures. If that's the case, then they are not rewriting history. They are simply unaware that they are living their lives as it had already been predetermined. This would make Faraday right.

So, either Faraday is wrong and will probably end up succeeding in saving Charlotte or he is right and he's going through an endless, winless battle to change what can not be changed.

*takes breath*

Who knows anymore?

I am pretty sure they are re-writing history. Their pictures wouldn't have been there until they traveled back in time. So they wouldn't have seen them originally.

Hopefully this all gets clearer.

Did they ever say if that Asian baby was a boy or a girl? It couldn't be Miles because there'd be 2 of him there at once an old and a young. Sun? That must be why she didn't flash.

[dave374]

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Ok the end all of end alls.

Roger's jump suit says "Work Man."

Jack's says "Workman."

Small subtle difference that makes all the difference.

End argument.

I hope this doesn't disrupt the space-time continum (I have no clue how to spell that last word).

[CMH]

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I am pretty sure they are re-writing history. Their pictures wouldn't have been there until they traveled back in time. So they wouldn't have seen them originally.

Hopefully this all gets clearer.

Did they ever say if that Asian baby was a boy or a girl? It couldn't be Miles because there'd be 2 of him there at once an old and a young. Sun? That must be why she didn't flash.

Rewriting seems to be the most logical to me.

Not a word on that baby, but it looked like a boy and lostpedia has it listed as his son.

[CMH]

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I hope this doesn't disrupt the space-time continum (I have no clue how to spell that last word).

"Doc, there's something I have to tell you. It's about the future!"