James Cameron's "Avatar"

[DickDalewood]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

I understand that people are attacking the story and basically calling it Dances With Wolves/Pocahontas part 2, but its obviously not the first and it won't be the last where an outsider is accepted into a foreign society and "helps/leads" them in some way or another. The basic plot might be the weakest link, but I don't think its weak enough to warrant all the hate that is being aimed at Cameron and the movie, especially with the way the story was delivered - which I thought was amazing. I don't care how good a story/dialogue is on paper, if it isn't delivered well its going to fail and I think Cameron did an awesome job of developing this "unoriginal" story.

Exactly. It may be a story we've heard before, but it was certainly told well this time around.

It's one of the best movies I've ever seen, hands down. Not everyone will agree, but that's fine too. I'm not watching the movie with those people anyway, lol.

[bkfount]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

Like others have said, for the amount of time and money Cameron spent on the visuals and creating this imaginative world, you would think he would try and do a more original story.

He realized that he was going to spend over 200 million dollars on a new scifi franchise set in a new fantasy world and pushing new 3D technology. Cameron even basically admitted the plot was actually an intentional "safe" choice to ensure more people would accept the film. He also says that the primary focus for any sequel would be the story.

[Brankles]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

He realized that he was going to spend over 200 million dollars on a new scifi franchise set in a new fantasy world and pushing new 3D technology. Cameron even basically admitted the plot was actually an intentional "safe" choice to ensure more people would accept the film. He also says that the primary focus for any sequel would be the story.

That makes sense. Glad to know he purposefully dumbed it down and wasn't trying to make a good story lol

[AnArtofWar]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

It was a good movie, and I saw that Pocahontas story the other day, I thought it was one of the funnier things I had seen this past week. Some people just go overboard with hating it...anything popular or deemed good more than it being foreign and an indie film seems to lead to the hate.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

He realized that he was going to spend over 200 million dollars on a new scifi franchise set in a new fantasy world and pushing new 3D technology. Cameron even basically admitted the plot was actually an intentional "safe" choice to ensure more people would accept the film. He also says that the primary focus for any sequel would be the story.

Good to know how highly Cameron thinks of moviegoers. Considering the sequal will probably cost more I guess he has no problem having less people accept the sequal. If that's what he actually said that may be even dumber than his "king of the world" speech and a stinging indictment of his audience. But I guess it's the truth because he got alot of lemmings to go see it (me as well unfortunately). Should of listened to the critics this time.

[Rocky]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

Does anybody believe that the story would've been better with no humans at all or little human involvement?

Me and a buddy were talking and basically agreed that the blue people (excuse me for my lack of knowledge on that planet) fighting another set of blue people would've been better.

[bkfount]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

Good to know how highly Cameron thinks of moviegoers. Considering the sequal will probably cost more I guess he has no problem having less people accept the sequal. If that's what he actually said that may be even dumber than his "king of the world" speech and a stinging indictment of his audience. But I guess it's the truth because he got alot of lemmings to go see it (me as well unfortunately). Should of listened to the critics this time.

So Cameron is laughing at the world because he used a very common story to get people to primarily focus on his creative world and execution of it? Wait...did you even notice who played Eytucan? It's Wes Studi, the Cherokee dude from Dances with Wolves and The Last of the Mohicans. He IS screwing with us!

I don't even care enough to continue really. I loved it, others hate it. Now that's a real derivative story, sigh. Arguing on the internet is pointless, and I should have stopped a few posts back.

[MC Fatigue]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

Good to know how highly Cameron thinks of moviegoers. Considering the sequal will probably cost more I guess he has no problem having less people accept the sequal. If that's what he actually said that may be even dumber than his "king of the world" speech and a stinging indictment of his audience. But I guess it's the truth because he got alot of lemmings to go see it (me as well unfortunately). Should of listened to the critics this time.

You're right. James Cameron is dumb. So dumb that he wrote and directed the top two highest grossing films of all time as well as created one of the most popular movie series of all times in Terminator.

What a dummy...

He definitely doesn't know what the audience wants, and he definitely doesn't know how to deliver that. I think that Avatar, Titanic, Terminator 2, Terminator, True Lies, Aliens, and The Abyss all prove that.

[Gibbz]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

But I guess it's the truth because he got alot of lemmings to go see it (me as well unfortunately). Should of listened to the critics this time.

Well if enjoying a high-grossing film makes me a lemming, so be it.


And from what I've seen, it was pretty well-reviewed by critics.

[Brankles]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

You're right. James Cameron is dumb. So dumb that he wrote and directed the top two highest grossing films of all time as well as created one of the most popular movie series of all times in Terminator.

What a dummy...

He definitely doesn't know what the audience wants, and he definitely doesn't know how to deliver that. I think that Avatar, Titanic, Terminator 2, Terminator, True Lies, Aliens, and The Abyss all prove that.

James Cameron is not dumb. He just knows how to bring in the masses. And if that means using a recycled story and dumbing down the dialogue, then more power to him. Obviously it worked well enough.

[DickDalewood]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

James Cameron is not dumb. He just knows how to bring in the masses. And if that means using a recycled story and dumbing down the dialogue, then more power to him. Obviously it worked well enough.

He was being sarcastic...

[Brankles]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

He was being sarcastic...

I understand

[Seymour Scagnetti]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

James Cameron is not dumb. He just knows how to bring in the masses. And if that means using a recycled story and dumbing down the dialogue, then more power to him. Obviously it worked well enough.

So what you're saying is he should be applauded for making the movie dumb enough for everyone to enjoy. Wow you just gave a more stinging indictment of the viewing public than Cameron. I might be going out on a limb here but I bet you're a big Michael Bay fan.

[Brankles]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

So what you're saying is he should be applauded for making the movie dumb enough for everyone to enjoy. Wow you just gave a more stinging indictment of the viewing public than Cameron. I might be going out on a limb here but I bet you're a big Michael Bay fan.

I applaud him for making tons of money, not necessarily for making the best movies. I respect him for knowing how to herd the sheep into the movie theaters.

What Michael Bay does may in fact be more impressive... because his movies blow, yet people still see them. Cameron puts out solid flicks, even if a few of them are dumbed down to bring in crowds.

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This is Hollywood. If you can make money like that, you're talented, at least in knowing how to bring people in and show financial success.

But I would love to see Cameron try and make a legit masterpiece by trying to use a more creative and intelligent story to go along with his directorial skills.

[DickDalewood]

re: James Cameron's "Avatar"

So what you're saying is he should be applauded for making the movie dumb enough for everyone to enjoy. Wow you just gave a more stinging indictment of the viewing public than Cameron. I might be going out on a limb here but I bet you're a big Michael Bay fan.

Lol, I saw Avatar twice in theater, as well as both Transformers. I also own both on Bluray. I think the bigger issue here is why you don't understand that not everyone agrees with your opinion. "Good" is an opinion. What is good to one person, may not be to another. For you to say a movie sucks strictly applies to your view of what is good and what is not. You can't factually prove to me that a movie has a bad story, or that it is not good, because, again, it is opinion. I think both Transformers are great, as well as Avatar.

You're more than welcome to continue being a movie snob and bashing everyone for liking something though. That said, whether you like it or not, this movie has grossed more than any other movie in history, so clearly Cameron is doing something right.