What movies have you seen recently?

[daflyboys]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

I think it was another one of the Hollywood generated "let's assuage our #metoo guilt and make another bad ***, powerful female movie" movies in the string. So when the agenda drives the product instead of making something of excellence ... this is what you can get often times.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

I think it was another one of the Hollywood generated "let's assuage our #metoo guilt and make another bad ***, powerful female movie" movies in the string. So when the agenda drives the product instead of making something of excellence ... this is what you can get often times.

You are probably right.

When it comes naturally like T2, like the Alien legacy, like the more recent Marvel films.....it is so much better.

This felt really forced. Your right. The story was simply bad.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

How does it come naturally in one movie vs another and how would you even know?

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

We're using the Terminator franchise - which is largely horrible, but has always featured a strong female lead - to prove what exactly?

[KSUowls]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

Remember the Titans:

Another one of the many classics that my wife had never seen.

Still as good as it was the first time I saw it 20 years ago. Denzel really puts on a performance.

[daflyboys]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

We're using the Terminator franchise - which is largely horrible, but has always featured a strong female lead - to prove what exactly?

We've already discussed it and you're going to disagree, so there's no point rehashing, but it's very easy to see. Others clearly do. Ava is another like this. It's starts out well enough but just gets disjointed all over the place. The script just disintegrates as it goes. The sub-plot with her sister feels simply plugged in. The things she pulls off just aren't realistic. It's almost like her last name should be "Wick". It's pretty apparent that we're going to make a "strong female *** kicker" here and the men will take a back seat. Not even John Malkovich saves this one.

But even in End Game, the "let's band together sisters" moment was forced. Why would Capt. Marvel in that scene need assistance with her level of powers? She wouldn't. It was Marvel coming forward with their posturing on "we support women" when there's been nothing but great unforced moments of female heroes throughout.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

....

But even in End Game, the "let's band together sisters" moment was forced. Why would Capt. Marvel in that scene need assistance with her level of powers? She wouldn't. It was Marvel coming forward with their posturing on "we support women" when there's been nothing but great unforced moments of female heroes throughout.

Just to nerd for a moment...I loved how well Scarlet Witch acquitted herself in Endgame, as she was literally about to kill Thanos all on her own, which forced him to summon the bombardment. She also had held him off (and he had five stones at the time) while simultaneously destroying the Mind Stone in 'Infinitiy War'. MCU Scarlet Witch was pretty amazing in those moments anyway.

Danvers did well against him until he used the Power Stone for a 'boosted' punch.

And as for her trip to the van, no....no.....she did not require assistance LOL.

[Blzer]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

But even in End Game, the "let's band together sisters" moment was forced. Why would Capt. Marvel in that scene need assistance with her level of powers? She wouldn't. It was Marvel coming forward with their posturing on "we support women" when there's been nothing but great unforced moments of female heroes throughout.

What's funny is after I saw the film, I read about this "girl team up moment" everywhere, and I asked myself: "When did this occur??" Because honestly, the first time, I didn't even catch it. The only thing I thought in my head when two characters came and said "Don't worry" and "She's got help" was:

"Why would Captain Marvel needs help here?? I just saw her fly through a ****ing spaceship and neutralize the attack!"

I don't get why she would have to even go on the ground against everybody there. Just fly up and over them, and boom. Or just fly through them, and boom. That's where my head was during that time.

I sometimes shake my head at movies that throw these agendas in my face, but I'm not out there looking for them, per se. I never would have even conjured this up had I not been told about it. I always would have been thinking about: "Carol can do this on her own."

Then a little later, H.I.S.H.E. came in the clutch in spectacular fashion!

[Armor and Sword]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

How does it come naturally in one movie vs another and how would you even know?

I guess a better way of wording it is the script was much better. The characters felt right. It fit.

In plain english......better movies.

[daflyboys]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

I sometimes shake my head at movies that throw these agendas in my face, but I'm not out there looking for them, per se. I never would have even conjured this up had I not been told about it.

Right exactly. Somebody mentioned it before with a movie like Alien. Ripley's heroics developed "naturally" in light of all of the horror and even then it was all pure instinct in survival (considering that would be an actual real situation). I didn't think twice about the fact that it was a "female hero". It's never to imply women can't save the day or be the hero, it's more so the Hollywood element of we need to save face or show the world we're all about the movement. Then, you get what you get.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

The thing that bugged me the most about the scene from End Game was, while it was definitely a cool moment in the movie, particularly as a comic book movie, Marvel's lack of substance prior to that moment (and Capt Marvel) made it feel less genuine.

I completely understand disliking poorly written movies and characters. It just seemed silly to use Terminator as an example of an agenda movie when the majority of that franchise is pure trash.

[Caulfield]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

The thing that bugged me the most about the scene from End Game was, while it was definitely a cool moment in the movie, particularly as a comic book movie, Marvel's lack of substance prior to that moment (and Capt Marvel) made it feel less genuine.

I completely understand disliking poorly written movies and characters. It just seemed silly to use Terminator as an example of an agenda movie when the majority of that franchise is pure trash.

T2 is one of my favorite movies of all-time, at least up until Sarah tries to kill the director of Skynet, then it sort of loses me there, but anyways, as much as I enjoy most of Judgement Day, it is responsible for so much crap to follow, they should have called it a day after T2. though there were parts of Rise of Machines I liked.

[Blzer]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

The thing that bugged me the most about the scene from End Game was, while it was definitely a cool moment in the movie, particularly as a comic book movie, Marvel's lack of substance prior to that moment (and Capt Marvel) made it feel less genuine.

I completely understand disliking poorly written movies and characters. It just seemed silly to use Terminator as an example of an agenda movie when the majority of that franchise is pure trash.

I don't know why I'm quoting you specifically, other than it was the last post related to this... but I seem to think we had somewhat of a similar discussion when news broke that 007 is now a woman.

(for the record, I haven't seen any trailers for Bond so I don't know what's going on in that film's plot at all)

[daflyboys]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

Right .... just another in the string. And I'm not even sure that the content has yet to be fully divulged (and actually they shouldn't in the name of spoilers -- yet some more recent trailer makers think this is necessary for some reason), but there were enough mentions along the early inception and discussion to seemingly attempt having people "get used to" the idea. Ok, you know where I stand .... I'll shut up about the whole thing now.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: What movies have you seen recently?

To me - it plays like the setup of a twist that'll be in the movie. But of course - we won't know until we watch.