*** Survivor: Heroes vs. Villians (Season 20) ***

[mvb34]

Re: *** Survivor: Heroes vs. Villians (Season 20) ***

if he makes it to the end, his whole speech is going to be how he was down and how he single handedly masterminded getting Boston Rob out. He's going to go again with the, i played the best game can anyone else here say that about themselves. I doubt he wins because people in this game get bitter when they really shouldnt. If it was me that got blindsided by a russel type. I would have to vote for who i thought won the game.

Me as a person, i would have to give it to the one who played the "game" the best. I couldnt go with a hatred vote. Its not how i work as a person. Especially knowing what survivor is about. Its about lying, deceiving and doing anything you can to make it to the end.

Thats easier said sitting on your couch, but if you were actual involved and got close to the million and got bounced by a Russell type guy you feel different..

[shugknight]

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Unlike you, I dont give Russell nearly as much credit. He got a weak minded idiot in Jerri to flip, benefited by the fact that Coach has no idea how to play Survivor by throwing a vote at Courtney and took advantage of another weak player in Tyson the week before. Hes a great player but I have a hard time calling him a genius or a master.

Cant wait to see how this all breaks down and hopefully there is a merge soon so we can get some new drama on the show.

I think you might be the only one not crediting Russel for what he's done to his tribe as well as to the game.

Coach could of easily voted for Russel, and create a 4v4 tie with Boston Rob, but by Russel telling Coach he is trying to make the tribe better by wanting to vote out the weakest player (Candice), Coach saw that:

A. Russel is truly 100% in the game and wants to win for his tribe and not for himself.

and

B. It made Boston Rob look more selfish and wanting what he wanted instead of what is best for the team.

If Russell told Coach that he was voting out Rob last night, instead of saying he wants the weakest player out of the game, it would of made Russell look selfish and not rob.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: *** Survivor: Heroes vs. Villians (Season 20) ***

Russell is banking on the fact a season full of "all-star" players would cast their jury vote on who played the best game and not who they hated less. During the first all-star season, Boston Rob played a better game than Amber but they hated him more than her, so they gave the money to Amber.

The one thing I've noticed this season is that Russell is more cocky in front of the other players. For most of last season he kept his bragging to the confessionals. While it looks like Russell has a excellent chance of making it to the final 2/3, I wouldn't rule out Parvati taking out Russell after the merge.

I know there's a growing fanbase that is sick and tired of Russell but his amount of screentime has been justified. I would much rather watch a confessional from Russell than somelike like Danielle or JT.

[The Chef]

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i dont see how people cant give him credit. Li8ke he said in 19. he plants Russel seeds.
He planted it in Tysons head. Got him paranoid. He voted HISMELF Out. He did his whole thing with coach in crowning the knight, then he shows him about loyalty while giving Parvati the Idol. The following episode. He goes to Jerri and tell her he want her and coach to go to the final 3. It made sense to her. She seen how loyal Russel was to his alliance at the time. Russel knows damned well that if he pulls in Jerri that Coach is an automatic. He could have just settled for coach and had it 4-4 tie. He didnt want a 4-4 tie. He completely flipped the script on Rob.

Remember season 19, russel and his crew down 9-4 and flipped it around. Season 20, he's down 6-3 and completely flipped it as well. Russel masterminded the WHOLE THING for both of them.

Yet, some folks dont want to give him credit? Blasphemy.

How did Tyson get paranoid? What was he paranoid about anyways? He made an idiotic move but unless Im forgetting something, I dont remember anything that would have made him paranoid as he wasnt in danger of getting voted out directly. Now he got voted out because he was dumb and didnt split the vote like Rob said but for all the credit being given to Russell, the same **** would be being said about Rob if Tyson didnt turn into a walking moron.

You act like Coach was taken aback by Russell yet when Russell was sitting there on the beach yesterday, what did Coach say in his confessional about it? He talked about how Russell was spinning a story and he didnt believe him at all, that doesnt sound like someone that Russell flipped. If Coach was an automatic when he pulled Jerri in then why didnt Coach follow through on the voting? He will probably fall in line now because he doesnt have a choice but he sure as hell didnt seem to trust Russell at all given the many things he said either in confessional or when talking to Jerri on the beach yesterday.

In terms of Jerri, shes an idiot, she woke up and suddenly everything was clear to her, lol? She is merely latching on to whoever is there at the moment and nothing more, shes a terrible player and I would be surprised if she lasted much longer.

Russell masterminded the idea, and hes an awesome player but I cant start calling him a genius when hes merely taking advantage of idiotic players. That doesnt mean hes a terrible player but Im just not gushing over him like some are in here. I give Russell far more credit for what he did last season as he had the deck squarly stacked against him and made amazing plays with the HII as well as other things to get himself to the finals but, for me atleast, Ive gotta see more this season before I start calling him a genius.

I think you might be the only one not crediting Russel for what he's done to his tribe as well as to the game.

Coach could of easily voted for Russel, and create a 4v4 tie with Boston Rob, but by Russel telling Coach he is trying to make the tribe better by wanting to vote out the weakest player (Candice), Coach saw that:

A. Russel is truly 100% in the game and wants to win for his tribe and not for himself.

and

B. It made Boston Rob look more selfish and wanting what he wanted instead of what is best for the team.

If Russell told Coach that he was voting out Rob last night, instead of saying he wants the weakest player out of the game, it would of made Russell look selfish and not rob.

1. Coach knew damn well that Russell was voting for Rob, thats why he had that entire speech at tribal about the team staying strong and how he hoped they would change their minds.

2. It didnt make Rob look selfish anymore then it made Russell look selfish for the same reasons.

3. At the end of the day, Coach is a terrible Survivor player who really should have never been invited back. He has no clue how to play the social aspect of the game and hes even more clueless how to play the mental aspect of the game as well. IMO, it wasnt that Coach didnt want to avoid forcing a 4x4 tie, it was his own stupidity and blind hope that they would suddenly reconcile and vote for the weakest player, hell I doubt Coach even ran the numbers to realize it would have been a tie in the first place.

I think some are taking my inability to anoint Russell as a genius as me not giving him credit for anything. I give him credit for certain things but not everything.

[kcxiv]

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Thats easier said sitting on your couch, but if you were actual involved and got close to the million and got bounced by a Russell type guy you feel different..

Naw, i know its a game. I would have been upset that night i got voted off, but then i would have been ok after the reality set in that i was the stupid one that got played. Million or 10 million, i would give it to the person who deserves it.

I wouldnt ever play the game though, like that one chick said i think it was last season. I am from the hood, not the woods. haha i am cool.

[mvb34]

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Naw, i know its a game. I would have been upset that night i got voted off, but then i would have been ok after the reality set in that i was the stupid one that got played. Million or 10 million, i would give it to the person who deserves it.

I wouldnt ever play the game though, like that one chick said i think it was last season. I am from the hood, not the woods. haha i am cool.

Maybe the should do the voting at the reunion show..

[Bellsprout]

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-MEGA LOL at the Villians bringing their entire camp to the RC only for there to be no merge. Idiots.

-As idiotic as the Villians are, and as screwed as they are challenge wise, I really like Russell's plan of dooping the Heroes into thinking there's an all-girl alliance. Allows him to seamlessly flip without the Heroes wondering why. I'm not particularly sure why Parvati's so thrilled about it, though. It wouldn't shock me if Russ flipped and then turned right around and plunged a knife into her back.

-If you're the guy that turns the channel before the "Next week on Survivor" part because you don't want spoilers, don't click the spoiler button. Fair warning.

Spoiler

J.T. is ****ing stupid. He wants to give Russell the HII?! What do they have to gain from that? Russell's trust? He gets the HII, and he'll turn right around and vote J.T. out. With no hesitation. It's suicide. After that's done, the Villians will mow down the rest of the Heroes with relative ease. It's just, it's beyond stupid. J.T. has been far and away the most interesting Hero in this game, but if he does this it's as good as putting a gun in his tribe's mouth and pulling the trigger. People tend to overthink in this game, and this is another case of way overthinking when what needs to be done is simple.

[The Chef]

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-MEGA LOL at the Villians bringing their entire camp to the RC only for there to be no merge. Idiots.

-As idiotic as the Villians are, and as screwed as they are challenge wise, I really like Russell's plan of dooping the Heroes into thinking there's an all-girl alliance. Allows him to seamlessly flip without the Heroes wondering why. I'm not particularly sure why Parvati's so thrilled about it, though. It wouldn't shock me if Russ flipped and then turned right around and plunged a knife into her back.

-If you're the guy that turns the channel before the "Next week on Survivor" part because you don't want spoilers, don't click the spoiler button. Fair warning.

Spoiler

J.T. is ****ing stupid. He wants to give Russell the HII?! What do they have to gain from that? Russell's trust? He gets the HII, and he'll turn right around and vote J.T. out. With no hesitation. It's suicide. After that's done, the Villians will mow down the rest of the Heroes with relative ease. It's just, it's beyond stupid. J.T. has been far and away the most interesting Hero in this game, but if he does this it's as good as putting a gun in his tribe's mouth and pulling the trigger. People tend to overthink in this game, and this is another case of way overthinking when what needs to be done is simple.

At first I thought Russell's idea of duping the Heroes into thinking the Villians were an all girl alliance was a solid move, albeit one that conveniently fell into his lap based on what JT said at the reward challenge, however after thinking it over, how is that going to work exactly? The merge has to be coming soon I would think and there is no way in hell that Sandra or Courtney dont spill the beans on the entire all girls alliance idea. There is a chance that Russell can get away with it but its going to be extremely tough for the reasons I mentioned.

[Bellsprout]

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At first I thought Russell's idea of duping the Heroes into thinking the Villians were an all girl alliance was a solid move, albeit one that conveniently fell into his lap based on what JT said at the reward challenge, however after thinking it over, how is that going to work exactly? The merge has to be coming soon I would think and there is no way in hell that Sandra or Courtney dont spill the beans on the entire all girls alliance idea. There is a chance that Russell can get away with it but its going to be extremely tough for the reasons I mentioned.

I don't see the Heroes believing a word that any of the Villians say. They feel like they know there's a girl alliance, and I think they'll stick to that until the Villians prove it isn't true.

It's a game of trust, and I don't see them trusting the Villians enough to believe a word they say.

[The Chef]

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I don't see the Heroes believing a word that any of the Villians say. They feel like they know there's a girl alliance, and I think they'll stick to that until the Villians prove it isn't true.

It's a game of trust, and I don't see them trusting the Villians enough to believe a word they say.

I guess we shall see. I just have doubts that they wont see through it. Having said that, I dont think anyone on the Heroes is capable of winning anyways, outside of maybe JT, so anything is possible.

Watching this last night, wouldnt it have been in the best interest of Sandra and Courtney to try and get Coach and someone else to flip before just throwing all their chips in on the prospects that a merge was upcoming and therefor they just needed to survive? I would think that they could have sold it to Jerri rather easily and then youve got Jerri/Coach/Sandra/Courtney with the numbers and they can blindside Russell but yet it didnt appear that those thoughts had ever even crossed their minds. I personally just dont get it, Jerri is a fool who will flip her vote at the drop of a hat and Coach is nowhere near being in Russell's pocket so it seemed like a no brainer.

[Bellsprout]

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That's what I thought they would do. Coach was furious at Russell, getting his vote wouldn't have been a problem. And then, as you said, Jerri has no real loyalties, so she'd probably had gone with them.

Seemed weird that taking out Russell never crossed their mind. Couldn't have been about tribe strength either, because Sandra got Russ to take out Coach.

[~LiverpoolRed~]

Re: *** Survivor: Heroes vs. Villians (Season 20) ***

I wonder why another hidden immunity idol was not re-hidden on the Villians side of the island?

[sven]

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Maybe it has been and they just haven't been told about it. Have they won a reward since they used the first one?

[shugknight]

Re: *** Survivor: Heroes vs. Villians (Season 20) ***

Ya don't think they've won anything yet to have them reveal a clue for the HII.

One thing I found odd, when hearing Coach and seeing who voted for him.

Pavarti, Danielle, Sandra, and Courtney all voted for Coach.

Russel, Jerry, and Coach voted for Courtney.

I have a feeling Russel is going to be pissed at Danielle and Parvati for going against his decision of voting for Courtney.

Could there really be an all girl alliance, but we just don't know it yet? As much as I hate Courtney and Sandra, if they managed to do this, that's pretty good.

[The Chef]

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Maybe it has been and they just haven't been told about it. Have they won a reward since they used the first one?

Nope, theyve lost atleast the last 4 challenges so Im sure there is another HII but they havent won anything to actually get the clue.