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  • Pared
    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #256
    Re: Apple media event - 1/27

    Originally posted by Bruins
    Well guys, Pared says we can't discuss it anymore so I guess you might as well lock this thread.
    You want to keep going in circles, explaining how it won't meet your need when others think it will? Go for it.

    Originally posted by aholbert32
    It wont sell half as well as you think it will. Not at that price and not with that storage.
    I guess time will tell. One thing is for sure, it was underwhelming without a camera. Video chat could have been that "it" thing.
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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #257
      Re: Apple media event - 1/27

      Originally posted by bgeno
      lol... if it partially combines some things (computer, phone, mp3 player) and doesn't do ANY of them fully or more conveniently, then what's the point of convergence?

      That's what was so great about the iPhone. It fully combined a phone and an MP3 player and made BOTH of them BETTER. PLUS, it added in computer-related things (internet, games, etc.)
      Many would argue the iPod is a much better music player than the iPhone ever was. MANY.
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      • bgeno
        MVP
        • Jun 2003
        • 4321

        #258
        Re: Apple media event - 1/27

        Originally posted by Pared
        There are plenty of students in the scenario you describe where this will meet their needs. And yes, they are your average everyday student. The student that has a netbook just to go online because they hate carrying a laptop.
        I go to school with 40,000 other students, and I've honestly never seen a netbook in a classroom. College kids aren't using them as much as you seem to think, man.

        The student that doesn't use their phone because it's too small.
        Who is this? I've never seen anyone complain about their iPhone and not use it because it's too small. What I typically hear is "OMG, this is so convenient: the internet in my pocket!"

        [quotep]
        To act like there isn't a use for this.. c'mon. It shouldn't even be a discussion. [/QUOTE]

        It should be a discussion because, aside from people who want a Kindle, I can't imagine anyone needing this thing.
        Originally posted by DaImmaculateONe
        How many brothers does Sub-zero running around in his clothing? No one can seem to kill the right one.

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        • luv_mist
          Older
          • May 2004
          • 9596

          #259
          Re: Apple media event - 1/27

          The companies would make more money with the books on this thing than selling. Same reason video games would make more money doing download distribution. Lot of miscellaneous stuff taken out and more profit. What does the music and movie industry look like on iTunes? Is there something I can look at to see the increase/decrease of those two on iTunes?

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #260
            Re: Apple media event - 1/27

            Originally posted by Pared
            There are plenty of students in the scenario you describe where this will meet their needs. And yes, they are your average everyday student. The student that has a netbook just to go online because they hate carrying a laptop. The student that doesn't use their phone because it's too small.

            To act like there isn't a use for this.. c'mon. It shouldn't even be a discussion. People bought a kindle and I can't relate. Doesn't mean I don't see their want/need for it.
            Who said there isnt a use? Just because it has a use doesnt mean its going to sell well. The Macbook Air had a use but its price was too high and specs were too low for it to sell well. My point is imo there are more students/people in my cousin's scenario then in yours. Dont know alot of students with a netbook AND a laptop.

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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #261
              Re: Apple media event - 1/27

              Originally posted by Biohazard
              Well guys, publishers have been making ebook versions of their textbooks for the last few years. Before I left McGraw-Hill in 2007, they were beginning to move into ebooks for their texts. I bet that Pearson and Thomson are probably not too far behind if not there already. These are the three largest textbook publishers in the world. There is opportunity here for an iBookstore or even the vendor that these publishers are using to make even more money if they can push their ebooks out to the iPad (I hate that name).

              One place you guys can check is CourseSmart where they have a large collection of textbooks as ebooks.
              Arguing this is futile, much like arguing "apps" were back when the iPhone was released. It's just a matter of time as the content comes in.

              There's plenty of draws to a digital distribution model, especially eliminating the used textbook marketplace that continues to cut into new sales every year.
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              • bgeno
                MVP
                • Jun 2003
                • 4321

                #262
                Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                Originally posted by Pared
                Many would argue the iPod is a much better music player than the iPhone ever was. MANY.
                OK, so it made the phone far better and had the best MP3 player ever on a phone... lol... better?
                Originally posted by DaImmaculateONe
                How many brothers does Sub-zero running around in his clothing? No one can seem to kill the right one.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #263
                  Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                  Originally posted by luv_mist
                  The companies would make more money with the books on this thing than selling. Same reason video games would make more money doing download distribution. Lot of miscellaneous stuff taken out and more profit. What does the music and movie industry look like on iTunes? Is there something I can look at to see the increase/decrease of those two on iTunes?
                  Itunes killed the music industry. The music industry went from an album sales model (9.99-18.99) to a singles sales model(.99-1.29) all because of Itunes.

                  Hasnt really affected the movie industry because people still prefer to watch movies on TVs and at theaters.

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                  • luv_mist
                    Older
                    • May 2004
                    • 9596

                    #264
                    Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                    Originally posted by Pared
                    I guess time will tell. One thing is for sure, it was underwhelming without a camera. Video chat could have been that "it" thing.
                    I'm still waiting for this huge breakthrough to happen. You would think with all of this VOiP and stuff, someone would have capitalized on that. We are RIGHT THERE yet there isn't any company that wants to step up and make it mainstream out of the box. I know Verizon has something solid but there has to be someone out there with the idea. I would love to get one for my grandmother and setup phone calls so she can see her great-grandchild walking around. Something that is easy to use and "needed" in these days.......

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                    • Pared
                      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 39337

                      #265
                      Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                      Originally posted by bgeno
                      I go to school with 40,000 other students, and I've honestly never seen a netbook in a classroom. College kids aren't using them as much as you seem to think, man.
                      My experience at two Ivy-league schools and 2 others seem to differ with you.

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      Who said there isnt a use? Just because it has a use doesnt mean its going to sell well. The Macbook Air had a use but its price was too high and specs were too low for it to sell well. My point is imo there are more students/people in my cousin's scenario then in yours. Dont know alot of students with a netbook AND a laptop.
                      I guess arguing sales at this point won't really get us anywhere. Time will tell.
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                      • bgeno
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 4321

                        #266
                        Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                        Originally posted by Pared
                        Arguing this is futile, much like arguing "apps" were back when the iPhone was released. It's just a matter of time as the content comes in.

                        There's plenty of draws to a digital distribution model, especially eliminating the used textbook marketplace that continues to cut into new sales every year.
                        I agree that it's going to happen eventually, and maybe then this iPad would be more useful to me. It's just not happening right now or any time in the relative near future.
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                        • mgoblue
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 25477

                          #267
                          Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                          For me I just don't need another subscription service to add to the crap I carry.

                          Like has been said...Not replacing my phone, not replacing my iPod, and if I need a computer I just bring my laptop. Doesn't replace that. With a primary focus of movies and music 64 gb doesn't make it any better than an iPod touch.

                          My point with all this is that with the iPod and iPhone a techie like me HAD TO HAVE IT! Even though I didn't get a iPhone due to not wanting AT&T, I really really wanted one.

                          With the iPad, tons of techie types who are early adopters (or still buy stuff pretty early on) are passing on this. That's not a good sign. EVERYONE wanted the iPod and iPhone and there wasn't really anything bad you could say. Those were revolutionary. They kicked major ***.

                          If tech people are passing on the iPad, you expect the general public to just start buying it? I don't think so...this'll be a niche market and get some sales but nothing anywhere near approaching iPhone or iPod. Reminds me of when the Macbook Air came out. People were like "eh, yeah, it's tiny" but hardly set the world on fire.
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                          • luv_mist
                            Older
                            • May 2004
                            • 9596

                            #268
                            Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                            Originally posted by aholbert32
                            Itunes killed the music industry. The music industry went from an album sales model (9.99-18.99) to a singles sales model(.99-1.29) all because of Itunes.

                            Hasnt really affected the movie industry because people still prefer to watch movies on TVs and at theaters.
                            One thing about the music industry though is that they cut costs of the cd covers, disc, and plastic container. I really am going to look into this thing. I am thankful for the iTunes thing though because I'm able to buy a lot of older albums that I didn't have a clue about because they were conveniently there at my fingertips. A lot of albums I bought were albums I listened to as a child which I probably would have never scooped otherwise. That is a bit of a hit though from the $20 to the $.99. I think some albums are increasing on iTunes however. I guess it's hit or miss depending on which way you look at it.

                            I know that the resale and used category does "take" money away from the originals which is tough.

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                            • Pared
                              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 39337

                              #269
                              Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                              Originally posted by mgoblue
                              For me I just don't need another subscription service to add to the crap I carry.

                              Like has been said...Not replacing my phone, not replacing my iPod, and if I need a computer I just bring my laptop. Doesn't replace that. With a primary focus of movies and music 64 gb doesn't make it any better than an iPod touch.

                              My point with all this is that with the iPod and iPhone a techie like me HAD TO HAVE IT! Even though I didn't get a iPhone due to not wanting AT&T, I really really wanted one.

                              With the iPad, tons of techie types who are early adopters (or still buy stuff pretty early on) are passing on this. That's not a good sign. EVERYONE wanted the iPod and iPhone and there wasn't really anything bad you could say. Those were revolutionary. They kicked major ***.

                              If tech people are passing on the iPad, you expect the general public to just start buying it? I don't think so...this'll be a niche market and get some sales but nothing anywhere near approaching iPhone or iPod. Reminds me of when the Macbook Air came out. People were like "eh, yeah, it's tiny" but hardly set the world on fire.
                              Great argument. I'm passing as well but I don't know where you get subscription service. There is no subscription required as you can cancel your 3G access at any time.
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                              • mgoblue
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                                • Jul 2002
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                                #270
                                Re: Apple media event - 1/27

                                Originally posted by Pared
                                Great argument. I'm passing as well but I don't know where you get subscription service. There is no subscription required as you can cancel your 3G access at any time.
                                It's good it's not subscription, but it's kinda useless if you travel to skip on the 3G you know? Just don't need 30 bucks a month that I wouldn't really use enough of, or even 15 bucks a month. Netflix all ready has me on that, half the time I rarely send back movies lol. It's really frustrating because everyone all ready pays for 3g through their phone, yet we have to pay for another device....some sort of wifi tether would rock.

                                I'll admit, I'd love it on the plane when I'm going on vacation and watching a couple movies...Just not enough else to grab me, especially since I'm not using any of the Apple iPhoto, iWork, etc products.

                                I'm giving e-readers 5ish years before they're bigger...when libraries start carrying most books for readers I'll be interested.
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