iPad discussion

[bgeno]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

I don't know, man. Seems like viewing angles would be skewed if you have it laying flat. You'd have to be holding it to have the screen be facing you, if you get what I mean.

With my laptop, all I have to do is set it down somewhere flat, and tilt the screen. Then it's so simple to be doing something else (gaming, watching TV, etc) and then just glance at the screen which is at the perfect angle to read.

My thoughts exactly. I don't see how this thing is going to be any easier to view while doing other things (homework, TV, gaming, etc.) since you have to hold it or place it on a flat surface that happens to be at the angle you want to view it at. I guess you could lay on a couch with your knees up, you can set it on your thighs... or if you lay face down on a bed, you can sit it near your head. But you don't have the versatility of positioning that you do with a tilt screen on a laptop. That's another one of those uses I think you're stretching on and not thinking through entirely.

Right now, I'm kind of failing to see the niche that the iPad fits into. Netbooks haven't taken hold because of the same reason. I'm not saying that a niche can't form, but I honestly don't see it.

To be fair, I think the group they're going for are people who are in the market for e-readers and netbooks. I just don't know how big the e-reader market is, and I think you can get much more bang-for-your-buck with a Windows-based netbook (as much as that kills me to say... grrrr, Windows).



When Apple comes out with a slate that can do as much as or more (e-reader) than my MacBook, then they'll have me interested. I still just wish they'd do a touchscreen MBP. Just replace the regular screen with a touchscreen, jack the price up, and that will sell very well.

[bkfount]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

Just want to clear something up that people are saying here, and could get confusing if people don't read the whole context of the thread.

The main complaint isn't about 16GB memory- because that would be incredibly huge.
The complaint is about 16/32/64GB storage.

http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=guide_umg_01_003

Sorry for being anal, just wanted to clear things up.

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

Well played, bk.

[ODogg]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

Laffer - you're like me, I hate it when people confuse memory and storage space...i mean why muddy the waters, be clear on what you're talking about. 16 gigs of memory is plenty, excessive even, 16 gigs of stoarge is not.

[ODogg]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

bgeno - i'm thinking perfectly clear about how the design is better, holding it is not an issue, it's still easier to hold one flat device than it is to deal with a clamshell laptop. like I said, i lie in bed and surf the net all the time on my ipod touch while watching tv and it's much easier than dealing with a laptop, not just for surfing but by replying directly onto the screen instead of typing on an unseen keyboard (and yes i'm a touch typist).

in fact I think this is what a lot of folks will love about the iPad is the flat, simplistic design which you use by using the screen directly without having to use a keyboard/mouse function and having a clamshell design. it's simplicity at it's finest. being able to type and manuever things directly on the screen is huge for a device of this nature. not just because it's better than having an appendage such as a keyboard, but because it's more natural to move, click, expand and use your finger directly than it is to use an interface device that affects what goes on in the screen and is located elsewhere.

I just think all of you guys dogging this are going to feel a little different when you actually use one. maybe not different enough to buy one but i'll bet after you use one you will quit comparing it to a netbook/laptop. beacuse like i said, and others have said, it's not really a good comparison.

[aholbert32]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

bgeno - i'm thinking perfectly clear about how the design is better, holding it is not an issue, it's still easier to hold one flat device than it is to deal with a clamshell laptop. like I said, i lie in bed and surf the net all the time on my ipod touch while watching tv and it's much easier than dealing with a laptop, not just for surfing but by replying directly onto the screen instead of typing on an unseen keyboard (and yes i'm a touch typist).

in fact I think this is what a lot of folks will love about the iPad is the flat, simplistic design which you use by using the screen directly without having to use a keyboard/mouse function and having a clamshell design. it's simplicity at it's finest. being able to type and manuever things directly on the screen is huge for a device of this nature. not just because it's better than having an appendage such as a keyboard, but because it's more natural to move, click, expand and use your finger directly than it is to use an interface device that affects what goes on in the screen and is located elsewhere.

I just think all of you guys dogging this are going to feel a little different when you actually use one. maybe not different enough to buy one but i'll bet after you use one you will quit comparing it to a netbook/laptop. beacuse like i said, and others have said, it's not really a good comparison.

If you cant compare it to a netbook...what do you compare it too? A Kindle?

[Pared]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

Problem is people think of different things when you say netbook. Some people see it as a small laptop. Others see it as a means of accessing the web with a desktop-like experience.

It might be fair to say you can't even really compare it to anything. I still say it will replace some device one way or another for some individuals and they realize that. People go out of their way to point out the differences between it and a laptop. Better off just calling it a bigger iPod touch. I'm sure for some, they've had such a great experience with one they wouldn't mind essentially having some in-between device that gets them online to check their favorite sites with their morning coffee.

I know plenty of individuals who do this and a majority of their time is spent reading.

*cue the questions why you can't do it on a laptop so we can continue to go in circles*

[bgeno]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

bgeno - i'm thinking perfectly clear about how the design is better

Better? Whoa now. I don't see yet how this flat design is better than the clamshell in a device like this. I already mentioned the problems I see with the flat device and using it in many situations.

, holding it is not an issue, it's still easier to hold one flat device than it is to deal with a clamshell laptop.

You'd rather hold something and look at it than let it sit somewhere and look at it? Especially considering they are of similar overall sizes?

like I said, i lie in bed and surf the net all the time on my ipod touch while watching tv

Honest question, how are you lying in bed with your iPod Touch? In other words, where are you and where is the Touch?

in fact I think this is what a lot of folks will love about the iPad is the flat, simplistic design which you use by using the screen directly without having to use a keyboard/mouse function and having a clamshell design.

OK, this I'll buy in to. I'd much rather just touch the link I want to visit than have to move my pointer to it, and I think most people would agree with this.

it's simplicity at it's finest. being able to type and manuever things directly on the screen is huge for a device of this nature. not just because it's better than having an appendage such as a keyboard, but because it's more natural to move, click, expand and use your finger directly than it is to use an interface device that affects what goes on in the screen and is located elsewhere.

My gripe, nor anyone else's for that matter, is not with a touchscreen vs. mouse. Like I said, I'd rather just touch the link I want to go to... sure. I don't see, however, a virtual keyboard on the same plane as the screen on a device of this size being easy to use and incredibly functional.

I just think all of you guys dogging this are going to feel a little different when you actually use one. maybe not different enough to buy one but i'll bet after you use one you will quit comparing it to a netbook/laptop. beacuse like i said, and others have said, it's not really a good comparison.

I'm just not seeing this new audience (not netbook, not laptop, not e-book, etc.) market that they are going for with this.



I think this product could be a great jumping point for something in the future. This could lead to a fully functional slate or a touchscreen MBP in the future that I would be on-board with 100%. I just don't think this has a great market right now considering what it is following (smaller, more convenient iPod Touch/iPhone) and what the general public will see it up against (more equipped laptops).

[Heelfan71]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

Don't see how reading on this thing is easier than a laptop that you can just sit there and tilt the screen to the best angle. Vs. something you will be holding constantly, or laying in your lap. Unless you plan on lugging around the dock with you. I could be wrong but I don't think you can dock it sideways so you can watch a movie.


Sorry Odogg. No flash = no jacking it

[Vast]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

If money was no object, this iFeminineProduct is very nice. For most of us though the price of a product or more importantly value is the deciding factor.

Cons IMO:

Durability- The screen and my experiences with 3 shattered iphones tells me there will be a ton of people who will buy this and damage or shatter their screens. Couple that with the fact that Apple doesn't offer insurance and we're talking about the posibility of throwing 600-900$ away very easily.

No mutli-tasking- The argument that the iphone doesn't multi-task either does not apply imo, because we're comparing a phone to a large screen computer like device. Its main draw is that it has iWork and can be used for business. Well how functional is it for business if you can't do more than one thing at a time?

OS- I have an iPhone 3Gs and i LOVE it. Its the best phone out there, with probably the best phone OS, but its still not anything i would consider great. There are a TON of improvements you could make to the operating system. Having the iFeminineProduct launch with the iphone OS is probably the biggest mistake Apple made IMO.

[Victor Fox]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

I've been pretty critical of the iPad since Jobs' announcement, but let me offer a prophecy-of-sorts...

Back in 2001, Steve Jobs unveiled the iPod, as Pared so perfectly demonstrated in that old macrumors forum. Similar to today, everyone seemed to be bashing Apple for pushing into a market they had no business entering into, for not making a practical device ("I already have a walkman" said one critic), and for generally being greedy for charging inordinate amounts of money.

Flash forward to 2010, and we all know the history. The original 5gb iPod that let you "put 1000 songs into your pocket" went through improvement after improvement: first it lost its physical buttons in place of a click-wheel, then a backlight, then it got a color screen and the ability to store photos, then a video screen and the ability to play movies... All the while increasing the storage space up to 160gb and eventually giving birth to the iPhone.

The most important improvement along the way, IMO, was the genesis and growth of iTunes, without which the iPod would have been just another mp3 player. By giving everyone iTunes (and the store, obvs) along with their iPods, Apple was introducing people to what would become the future of legal, purchased music.

Understandably there isn't a huge ebook piracy market right now, people aren't hopping onto Vuze to get a torrent of Atlas Shrugged.... But I don't think eReading is Apple's focus with this product.

What Apple did in 2001 was create their own niche market. The placed their foot in the door with a sleek looking product, fully aware that it could/would become better, cheaper, smaller, and cooler. The important thing was getting people's interest. Once they had that, their product took off.

Similarly, when they introduced the iPhone, people were up in arms about it being on the 2g network, about the lack of copy+pasting, etc etc. Didn't matter. Apple needed a foot in the door of the mobile industry and then they kept updating their iPhone and it's taking off. Again.

The important thing this time around, however, is that iTunes is already in place. First music, then movies and tv shows, then apps. Apps were/are one of the biggest selling points of the iPhone.

So now here comes the iPad. The awkward younger brother of the iPod Touch that's somehow bigger. iTunes is already in place. A bookstore section has been added. What is Apple going to do? Wait a year or two, listen to everyone's complaints, and release the iPad 2.0

I honestly think that a fully functional OS X with touch capabilities is still a couple years away, and Apple knows this. Instead of releasing an inferior product, they're releasing a niche product that they will be able to update and repair along the way.

If you don't need one, then fine. Just wait. I had no use for a 5gb mp3 player back in the day. I had a walkman. Now? I would rather lose my left hand than my iPod Touch.

[Heelfan71]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

[Pared]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

Ok heel, we don't need you posting every single idiotic picture you can find on the internet.

[Heelfan71]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

Ok heel, we don't need you posting every single idiotic picture you can find on the internet.

you never said where you work? why not? maybe you are endorsing something you sell.

[Hova57]

Re: Apple media event - 1/27

i can see bigger corporations and hospitals buying into the ipad to hold files and such. the ipad may be the beginning of a paperless world.