Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

[jmood88]

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I didn't watch The Blind Side but I don't know how Moon couldn't have gotten nominated.

[Blzer]

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Again if he was still alive everyone would not have went nuts about him in TDK.

The fact that he's dead made the performance worse, for me. It would have been a lot better knowing: "He can one-up this performance in the next movie."

So, again, you cannot say "everyone" in your posts when they are strictly your opinion.

Exactly.

Let me clarify I am not a fan of Heath Ledger as an actor. In fact, The Dark Knight was one of the only movies I liked watching him in. But believe me when I say that he wasn't the movie's saving grace. Everything put into motion helped it out, including Christopher Nolan's screenplay and directing (which for me was probably the greatest asset, as I already mentioned earlier in this thread).

I definitely am drinking no Kool Aid here.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I don't see how you have to be "drinking Kool Aid" to really like TDK. Its not Transformers 2.

[Adam Dayton]

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I don't see how you have to be "drinking Kool Aid" to really like TDK. Its not Transformers 2.

You can really like it, but the second you consider it more than just a good action movie and well done batman film and call it a "masterpiece" or should win best picture, you are drinking the koolaid.

[Blzer]

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You can really like it, but the second you consider it more than just a good action movie and well done batman film and call it a "masterpiece" or should win best picture, you are drinking the koolaid.

False. Anyone that knows me, knows that I buy into zero movie hype or any such fan bases. I tend to stray away from those crowds as often as possible. As Peter Griffin says, "I did not care for The Godfather." I will never like a movie simply because everyone else does. Same goes for anything else (games, food, music, etc.).

I'm just loving a great movie. It has nothing to do with Ledger's death (which is a negative in every aspect, by the way), and it has nothing to do with the hype. If you recall, I was the person that didn't even know "The Dark Knight" was one of Batman's nicknames, so I actually never originally entered the thread even knowing what the movie was until I saw a trailer for it and my body burst into goosebumps and chills. This was truly a fantastic movie. Not one of the best done on a technical level with its many issues, but it is my favorite movie of all time because I like it, not because other people like it.

But I'm not going to pretend like it's more than it is. It's not the best movie ever, and I know that. But my opinion still stands... and Nolan is about to show again with Inception exactly what he can do with a movie. Hopefully next year we are going to be talking about that movie in one of these threads.

EDIT: Oh, and I never considered it to be a Best Picture winner, but it would have been nice to see it nominated.

[Adam Dayton]

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False. Anyone that knows me, knows that I buy into zero movie hype or any such fan bases. I tend to stray away from those crowds as often as possible. As Peter Griffin says, "I did not care for The Godfather." I will never like a movie simply because everyone else does. Same goes for anything else (games, food, music, etc.).

I'm just loving a great movie. It has nothing to do with Ledger's death (which is a negative in every aspect, by the way), and it has nothing to do with the hype. If you recall, I was the person that didn't even know "The Dark Knight" was one of Batman's nicknames, so I actually never originally entered the thread even knowing what the movie was until I saw a trailer for it and my body burst into goosebumps and chills. This was truly a fantastic movie. Not one of the best done on a technical level with its many issues, but it is my favorite movie of all time because I like it, not because other people like it.

But I'm not going to pretend like it's more than it is. It's not the best movie ever, and I know that. But my opinion still stands... and Nolan is about to show again with Inception exactly what he can do with a movie. Hopefully next year we are going to be talking about that movie in one of these threads.

EDIT: Oh, and I never considered it to be a Best Picture winner, but it would have been nice to see it nominated.

You really liked the movie but didn't think it was a masterpiece or deserving of best picture, I said people who think that are the koolaid drinkers. How does this disprove what I said at all?

[Blzer]

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You really liked the movie but didn't think it was a masterpiece or deserving of best picture, I said people who think that are the koolaid drinkers. How does this disprove what I said at all?

Well, I guess it all depends on what you mean by "masterpiece". I personally think TDK stands out as one of the most influential and powerful films of the decade, but I still say it is a "flawed" movie. Just like I described Up In the Air as a "flawless" movie... but just because it is, doesn't necessarily make it my favorite (though I did like it a lot). I don't know... in some ways it is a terrific piece, but to be a masterpiece it needs to avoid the flaws that it had.

Needless to say, I think that Inception will be a nice prelude to Batman 3, which could be the movie of this next decade.

[MC Fatigue]

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Dark Knight was "ok" to me at best. The story was decent, the action was pretty good, and it had some good acting, and some really annoying acting. Bale is a great actor, but I cannot stand the way he speaks as Batman; it's so ridiculous that it just makes me want to laugh every time he opens his mouth, which for me doesn't help a movie.

[Adam Dayton]

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Well, I guess it all depends on what you mean by "masterpiece". I personally think TDK stands out as one of the most influential and powerful films of the decade, but I still say it is a "flawed" movie. Just like I described Up In the Air as a "flawless" movie... but just because it is, doesn't necessarily make it my favorite (though I did like it a lot). I don't know... in some ways it is a terrific piece, but to be a masterpiece it needs to avoid the flaws that it had.

Needless to say, I think that Inception will be a nice prelude to Batman 3, which could be the movie of this next decade.

What has it influenced?

[Blzer]

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What has it influenced?

The way other movies should be made.

[Adam Dayton]

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Dark Knight was "ok" to me at best. The story was decent, the action was pretty good, and it had some good acting, and some really annoying acting. Bale is a great actor, but I cannot stand the way he speaks as Batman; it's so ridiculous that it just makes me want to laugh every time he opens his mouth, which for me doesn't help a movie.

Southpark had a decent episode where Cartman became the town superhero and talked in that ridiculous voice. Pretty funny.

[Adam Dayton]

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The way other movies should be made.

You can't call something influential when it hasn't influenced anything. What movies have been influenced by the Dark Night?

[Blzer]

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You can't call something influential when it hasn't influenced anything. What movies have been influenced by the Dark Night?

Perhaps I should have said "potentially influential." I just think that more "large scope" movies are going to start catching onto the Nolan magic a little bit and sort of change focus in both screenplay and directing styles.

Now this isn't to say Nolan can't pick up a few pointers himself, as he can't choreograph or direct a hand combat scene. But the more important thing is that he lets his story dictate the action, not the other way around. Most directors in this kind of movie genre tend to forget that.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Simply because you don't like the movie or agree with somebody when they say it is "masterpiece" doesn't mean they're drinking Kool Aid. Just agree to disagree and move on. For as many people that call it a masterpiece, there is an equal amount of people ready to bash it in.

Drinking Kool Aid would be like saying Star Wars: Episode 1 was a masterpiece simply because its another Star Wars film. Usually that phrase is reserved for when a series has dipped in quality, but yet its fans still hold it in high regards and completely ignore its decrease in quality, not when a series improves as TDK did improve on Batman Begins.

[Adam Dayton]

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Simply because you don't like the movie or agree with somebody when they say it is "masterpiece" doesn't mean they're drinking Kool Aid. Just agree to disagree and move on. For as many people that call it a masterpiece, there is an equal amount of people ready to bash it in.

Drinking Kool Aid would be like saying Star Wars: Episode 1 was a masterpiece simply because its another Star Wars film.

Well let's have some perspective. Around the time when Dark Night was about to be released, the hype around it was perhaps amongst the most any movie has ever seen in the history of cinema (I recall you sporting TDK related avatars for months leading up to the premiere).

The ridiculous budget, different approach to well known franchise, cutting edge special effects, the death and acting of Heath Ledger created a perfect storm of publicity that few could avoid. Upon seeing the movie, an inordinate amount of people professed it a classic, the greatest movie of the year, Heath Ledger should win an oscar, etc etc. The ability to see the film objectively almost did not exist, and an inordinate amount of people let the hype shape their perspective on the entire thing (read TDK impression thread for perspective).

Flash forward to now, fewer and fewer people have the same enthusiasm, and many have settled back and recognized it as a great action film and perhaps the best Batman movie of all time, but certainly not a masterpiece or classic. To be quite frank, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply not viewing the movie in an objective fashion, or they simply lack a proper understanding of cinema.