Kevin Smith deemed too fat to fly for Southwest

[thegoat30]

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Completely wrong. Outside of Clerks and Chasing Amy, his movies have recieved mediocre or bad reviews. Especially the past 10 years. I don't think he's had one favorably reviewed movie this entire decade. I dislike Kevin Smith and have only been responding to people quoting me and offering an alternative to my viewpoint that furthers discussion. Hate to tell ya, but I have a right to talk about him as much as you do.

You have had plenty of barbs that weren't responding to someone else.

The ulitmate review is done with the pocketbook. He has made money on every one of his films and gets to keep making them because of that.

You describe his movies as "inside jokes." He has allowed the general public into these jokes in the form of his Smodcast, books, as well as the Evening With series. I would say he is giving a lot of people the chance to be in on those jokes. Even if he wasn't, he's a jerk because he wants to include those close to him in on his movies? Yeah, real jackass...

[Adam Dayton]

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You have had plenty of barbs that weren't responding to someone else.

The ulitmate review is done with the pocketbook. He has made money on every one of his films and gets to keep making them because of that.

You describe his movies as "inside jokes." He has allowed the general public into these jokes in the form of his Smodcast, books, as well as the Evening With series. I would say he is giving a lot of people the chance to be in on those jokes. Even if he wasn't, he's a jerk because he wants to include those close to him in on his movies? Yeah, real jackass...

He was responding to that post as if it were the straw that broke the camels back. All my posts after the beginning were in reference to other people offering their take on what I said. It's called a discussion Sirr.

Because of what he rakes in the box office this represents what the gen public thinks about him? Tell me, what do you think about the Backstreet Boys. They are among the best selling groups of all time.

Yeah, the gen public is gonna go on his podcasts and read his books so that they can understand the jokes in his movie. You make a good case showcasing exactly what I find wrong with this person.

And let's segway to the topic of this thread. As I alluded to earlier, stick a camera around him 24/7 and you'll get stuff infinitely funnier than any pretentious underground joke that requires a digital commitment to enjoy. While you will inevitably have to put up with drivel, there's always the overlooked Yo Momma wakeup call event. You wouldn't have to go on a Smodcast (wtf?) to know that a fat man breaking his toilet is good entertainment.

[thegoat30]

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He was responding to that post as if it were the straw that broke the camels back. All my posts after the beginning were in reference to other people offering their take on what I said. It's called a discussion Sirr.

Because of what he rakes in the box office this represents what the gen public thinks about him? Tell me, what do you think about the Backstreet Boys. They are among the best selling groups of all time.

Yeah, the gen public is gonna go on his podcasts and read his books so that they can understand the jokes in his movie. You make a good case showcasing exactly what I find wrong with this person.

Yes, your "Kevin Smith has lived out 2 Your-momma jokes" was clearly in response to someone else. I'm sorry. It's called a pot shot, sir.

I dislike the Backstreet Boys. I'm sure you do as well. They were popular and made a lot of money at one point, but then fell off in their career. They aren't around anymore. Kevin Smith, while never as popular as them revenue wise, made money and continues to make money. He is still around. The public voted the Backstreet Boys should go away, Kevin Smith is here. I will agree that you have a point here, as the general public can be very stupid, but Smith's films have never been aimed at the general public.

I still fail to see how an inside joke can piss you off so bad. Are you mad that it is there at all? That you aren't in on it? I don't get it. Each movie is not filled with inside joke, after inside joke. You can follow them without having to delve into the other avenues I describe.

[Adam Dayton]

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Yes, your "Kevin Smith has lived out 2 Your-momma jokes" was clearly in response to someone else. I'm sorry. It's called a pot shot, sir.

I dislike the Backstreet Boys. I'm sure you do as well. They were popular and made a lot of money at one point, but then fell off in their career. They aren't around anymore. Kevin Smith, while never as popular as them revenue wise, made money and continues to make money. He is still around. The public voted the Backstreet Boys should go away, Kevin Smith is here. I will agree that you have a point here, as the general public can be very stupid, but Smith's films have never been aimed at the general public.

I still fail to see how an inside joke can piss you off so bad. Are you mad that it is there at all? That you aren't in on it? I don't get it. Each movie is not filled with inside joke, after inside joke. You can follow them without having to delve into the other avenues I describe.

Then why didn't FT respond directly to that comment. Reread my post you quoted for my feelings on that matter.

Which is why a lot of the general public doesn't like his movies. Thank you for proving my point. Fresh Tendrils was trying to explain that a niche director is equally liked and hated by the population.

So bad? I called a spade a spade like many here have done and referenced him as pretentious, unfunny, overweight, and living a lifestyle that is out of control. He and his films piss me off because they are pretentious and unfunny.

FYI- I feel gay for saying this but the Backstreet Boys didn't breakup because of financial issues. They took a big hiatus after the album "Black and Blue" which grossed record numbers and never really returned. The public didn't vote anything. It was that pedophile Lou Pearlman abusing his managerial duties and isolating the members, their need to get away from the spotlight, the need for each artist to express themselves individually, the tension in the group after Brian met an oriental woman who insisted on bringing a bed into the studio and sit in on their sessions, Howie D temporarily quit after Kevin played the drums on "Back in the USSR", Phil Spector took control as a producer, the ill fated rooftop concert . Woops, got a little carried away there for a minute.

[thegoat30]

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So bad? I called a spade a spade like many here have done and referenced him as pretentious, unfunny, overweight, and living a lifestyle that is out of control. He and his films piss me off because they are pretentious and unfunny.

Pretentious? Really? The guy has, on more than one occasion, said his career exists on dick and fart jokes. That is pretentious?

Pretentious - your opinion
Unfunny - your opinion
Overweight - yes - but back on topic, not too fat to fly Southwest

[thegoat30]

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FYI- I feel gay for saying this but the Backstreet Boys didn't breakup because of financial issues. They took a big hiatus after the album "Black and Blue" which grossed record numbers and never really returned.

I would have left that part of the edit out. But kudos for owning up to the fact that you know that.

Let's just agree to disagree (as much as I hate saying that). You hate him, I don't. We aren't going to change eachother's minds.

[Adam Dayton]

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Pretentious? Really? The guy has, on more than one occasion, said his career exists on dick and fart jokes. That is pretentious?

Pretentious - your opinion
Unfunny - your opinion
Overweight - yes - but back on topic, not too fat to fly Southwest

Of course it is my opinion, anything not quantifiable is an opinion. In fact, you could say him being overweight as in "fat" is an opinion and beyond a BMI we do not have factual access to his body composition. You would need hydrostatic weighing information for that. What's to say that he is not largely muscle and that his attempt to lose body fat couldbe hazardous to his health as he has such little already. You know what's to say? Your eyes.

The truth of the matter is opinions can be right, and in this instance I believe I'm right. My eyes, ears, all my senses tell me this guy is a hack. Yours tell you differently. Agree to disagree, yeah yeah yeah, it all ends well and the cow jumps over the moon.

I lightened up the BSB comment a bit to make it a bit more jokey and thus mask my gay knowledge with bad comedy. You can appreciate that, you're a Kevin Smith fan (lol I'm kidding around man.)

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I would consider favorable reviews to be anything to leans more towards the "liked it" side than the "hated it" side. RT has all of his movies (with the exception of Jersey Girl) at 50% or above. You may have a different view on what "favorable" means than me, but thats what I consider generally favorable.

[Adam Dayton]

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I would consider favorable reviews to be anything to leans more towards the "liked it" side than the "hated it" side. RT has all of his movies (with the exception of Jersey Girl) at 50% or above. You may have a different view on what "favorable" means than me, but thats what I consider generally favorable.

Yes I do. It depends on the genre. Favorable on RT for a comedy is something over 65-70 percent for me. Conversely, that score for a modern day horror film would be very impressive. As a drama pretty weak. All in all, I would have to think those movies you mentioned barely hover over 50 percent, especially most if not all the films made the past decade. Regardless, I don't see how if just over 50 percent of reviewers recommend his movie that somehow reflects that the general population likes his films more than hates them. To me, it doesn't make the conclusive argument you were going for.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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That range still contains a majority of his films.

[Adam Dayton]

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Zack and Miri (65 percent) and what other? Regardless, I still don't see how that is a valid argument for the general public perception of his films.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Then go survey everybody and report back, ok?

[chilli311]

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Zack and Miri (65 percent) and what other? Regardless, I still don't see how that is a valid argument for the general public perception of his films.

Zach and Miri - 65%
Clerks 2 - 62%
Clerks - 87%
Chasing Amy - 91%
Dogma - 67%

So, based off of your criteria, 4 of his 8 films that he's directed that have enough votes to qualify are viewed as favorable by the public, with one being right on the cusp. 2 of those films are well above that.

[Adam Dayton]

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Then go survey everybody and report back, ok?

Precisely, this is something that cannot be measured, but one can get a feel. Just because RT scores are measurable critic perceptions doesn't mean you can use them to showcase what a population of people thinks. To act like "this is the best information we have" to go by really doesn't hold any weight as it is pretty useless in such a discussion. I guess we will have to wait for a Kevin Smith census.

[Adam Dayton]

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Zach and Miri - 65%
Clerks 2 - 62%
Clerks - 87%
Chasing Amy - 91%
Dogma - 67%

So, based off of your criteria, 4 of his 8 films that he's directed that have enough votes to qualify are viewed as favorable by the public, with one being right on the cusp. 2 of those films are well above that.

First off, that's wrong. This isn't the public, these are professional reviewers. And for arguments sake, Tendrils said the majority of his films and that is only 4 out of 8. But, as I have been saying this does not really hold any weight in our discussion (people's perception of Smith). FYI our opinions on what is favorable are well and good, but RT itself has a different story-

"In fact, for a film to be certified fresh it must be reviewed by 40 or more reviewers, with at least five considered top critics by the website, and 75% or more of the reviews must be positive."

So according to RT definition, again the standard that FT is going by with his argument (that is fundamentally flawed), only 2 out of 8 Kevin Smith movies are considered their equivalent of favorable.