Independence Day Sequels

[jmood88]

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His son is a horrible actor but the Karate Kid movies were never that great to begin with.

[allBthere]

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His son is a horrible actor but the Karate Kid movies were never that great to begin with.

The first Karate Kid is and always will be an absolute classic. Say what you will about the sequels, but the first one is great film.

[Beantown]

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The first Karate Kid is and always will be an absolute classic. Say what you will about the sequels, but the first one is great film.

I agree that it's a classic - but disagree with it being a "great film."

[allBthere]

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I agree that it's a classic - but disagree with it being a "great film."

I'd love to argue that, but won't derail the purpose of the thread.

when we're talking about great films there are ingredients that it has in spades, I'm confident about this as a film fan, student, maker. (it's taking a lot of will power not to just dive into this)

But - as I was saying, ID2 could be a great film if they go with a new serious platform, but if they go for more of the same it won't work.

[MC Fatigue]

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I agree that it's a classic - but disagree with it being a "great film."

Yup - classic, but not great.

Heck - on IMDB, a pretty respectable site, with 32,000+ votes it only has a 6.9/10. It was a fun movie, but it certainly wasn't great. Cheesy dialogue, shoddy acting, cookie-cutter characters, etc. It's like a lot of movies from the 80's, remembered as being a lot better than it really was (which is an average movie).

[Beantown]

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Yup - classic, but not great.

Heck - on IMDB, a pretty respectable site, with 32,000+ votes it only has a 6.9/10. It was a fun movie, but it certainly wasn't great. Cheesy dialogue, shoddy acting, cookie-cutter characters, etc. It's like a lot of movies from the 80's, remembered as being a lot better than it really was (which is an average movie).

Summed up my thoughts much more articulately than I could've done.

[allBthere]

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Yup - classic, but not great.

Heck - on IMDB, a pretty respectable site, with 32,000+ votes it only has a 6.9/10. It was a fun movie, but it certainly wasn't great. Cheesy dialogue, shoddy acting, cookie-cutter characters, etc. It's like a lot of movies from the 80's, remembered as being a lot better than it really was (which is an average movie).

when's the last time you watched the film?

The dialogue wasn't cheesy aside from "from the time" things, the acting was actually very very good. I'm not sure who in the cast you think didn't have a good performance. The characters were actually pretty memorable too - I don't see how they were cookie cutter either.

I'm fully aware of 80s movies and cheese. I've seen many of them recently. Karate Kid was a great story, it was original and had an innocence about it which made it very realistic in certain respects.

It touches on so many things too: innocence, class divisions, perseverance, angst, chivalry, friendship, integrity, belief in ones self.

The writing, directing, editing, acting were all very good imo...and if you think it was an "average" film, you're mistaken. It's a stand-out film, it was influential and touching - Iconic too.

I saw it as a new release as a small kid, and saw it intermittently as I grew older. I think it really stands the test of time as well as just being good for the time.

And how do those 32,000 votes matter? many of those votes were cast by people just thinking back to 1984...some probably never even watched the whole thing. Obviously there are some who probably didn't like it either. I could look up many movies with better reviews avg's that weren't better ex. crank 7.1 I will not accept the nostalgic argument though as I've seen it quite recently. If you haven't I urge you to do it - it may surprise you.

If you want to engage and say things like shoddy acting; please provide an example - because that can't be said for the main characters. It's a special movie.

[MC Fatigue]

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when's the last time you watched the film?

A week or two ago; it was on one of our HBO or Cinemax channels. I don't remember which.

I won't reply to the rest of your post because it's silly.

[WeLLWeLL]

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Yup - classic, but not great.

Heck - on IMDB, a pretty respectable site, with 32,000+ votes it only has a 6.9/10. It was a fun movie, but it certainly wasn't great. Cheesy dialogue, shoddy acting, cookie-cutter characters, etc. It's like a lot of movies from the 80's, remembered as being a lot better than it really was (which is an average movie).

89% and 80% on Rotten Tomatoes...so reviews don't mean much (although I tend to agree with RT over anything else). Pretty good for a cheesy 80's flick. I think the Karate Kid sequels really hinder peoples thoughts of the first one. Good movie and one that was a go-to movie in my childhood.

[MC Fatigue]

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89% and 80% on Rotten Tomatoes...so reviews don't mean much (although I tend to agree with RT over anything else). Pretty good for a cheesy 80's flick. I think the Karate Kid sequels really hinder peoples thoughts of the first one. Good movie and one that was a go-to movie in my childhood.

The % is based on fresh/rotten which only implies whether it's worth seeing or not. Look at the "out of 10" section - it's rated on average a 6.8/10 by the critics on the point scale and 7.2 by the users.

And like the census says "Utterly predictable and wholly of its time, but warm, sincere, and difficult to resist, due in large part to Pat Morita and Ralph Macchio's relaxed chemistry."

We may not always agree with other people and critics, but when you get large numbers of people voting on something, generally you're going to get a good idea of how good that product (be it a movie, a monitor, a TV, a game, etc) is. There's nothing about Karate Kid than points to a great movie. What's great about it? The average acting? The average camera work? The average directing? The cheesy lines and entirely cookie-cutter "boy gets bullied and finally gets revenge in the end" story?

It's just a fun movie; but it's certainly not great.

[allBthere]

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The % is based on fresh/rotten. Look at the "out of 10" section and notice something - it's rated on average a 6.9/10 by the critics on the point scale.

And like the census says "Utterly predictable and wholly of its time, but warm, sincere, and difficult to resist, due in large part to Pat Morita and Ralph Macchio's relaxed chemistry."

and i'll say again CRANK got 7.1 ....

it's not just critics either...it's anyone

and it wasn't aired on hbo...i really don't think you saw it recently.
your post is silly. If you can't read and react to thoughtful posts, don't bother man...

Roger Ebert gave the film four stars out of four, calling it an "exciting, sweet-tempered, heart-warming story with one of the most interesting friendships in a long time."

[MC Fatigue]

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and it wasn't aired on hbo...i really don't think you saw it recently.
your post is silly. If you can't read and react to thoughtful posts, don't bother man...

You're right. I'm lying just for the sake of sounding like I know what I'm talking about over the Internets. You caught me red handed. Like I said - it was one one of the movie channels I have. I don't keep track of what channel it's on; I see something I want to watch and I watch it.

And I did reply to it. I called it silly; which I believe it was.

[daflyboys]

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what I think is BS is his son in a Karate Kid remake! (can't we allow some classics to stay classics?)

Like father like son. Robert Conrad IS James West.

[allBthere]

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You're right. I'm lying just for the sake of sounding like I know what I'm talking about over the Internets. You caught me red handed. Like I said - it was one one of the movie channels I have. I don't keep track of what channel it's on; I see something I want to watch and I watch it.

And I did reply to it. I called it silly; which I believe it was.

well since you have no argument to stand on, and don't back up your lousy posts with anything, what's the point really? Another thing is why would you watch a movie you think is just average if you've seen it before - especially on this network we can't name?

I think your posts are silly, and I can point out why and demolish you on any film argument you want because you clearly are not one to speak on the subject with any authority.

what have you brought to the table other than imdb's worthless ratings? Is that how you judge worth in films? CRANK is better than KK?

Some ignorant stuff you got going on man

[MC Fatigue]

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well since you have no argument to stand on, and don't back up your lousy posts with anything, what's the point really? Another thing is why would you watch a movie you think is just average if you've seen it before - especially on this network we can't name?

I think your posts are silly, and I can point out why and demolish you on any film argument you want because you clearly are not one to speak on the subject with any authority.

what have you brought to the table other than imdb's worthless ratings? Is that how you judge worth in films? CRANK is better than KK?

Some ignorant stuff you got going on man

Same back at you. All you're doing it posting opinions too - none of which are factual, and are just as "ignorant" as your claiming mine to be. Great to me is a movie like Fight Club, Shawshank Redemption, Gladiator, The Departed, Goodfellas, Casino, Big Fish, Seven, Terminator 2, Up, Raging Bull, etc, etc - you get the idea.

I'm not sure what part of The Karate Kid falls into the "Great" category, exactly, nor am I sure how such a movie fits along side truly great movies as posted above.

It's an average movie when it boils down to it. There isn't really anything about it that makes it great. Like I've said before - it's average all the way around. It does not have great acting. It does not have a great story. It does not have great writing. It does not have great cinematography.

It had good casting, it had a relatable/fun (albiet entirely generic and transparent) story and it just had some good chemistry. It was a fun movie to watch - and it sits in with a bazillion other movies. Great movies do great things. They have great acting, great stories, great characters, great directing, great cinematography, etc. They may not have all of those things, very few do, but they have a few of them at the least. The Karate Kid doesn't sit in the Great category for ANY of those things. Thus, I fail to see how it's great.