RIAA claims Limewire owes them $72 trillion

[Altimus]

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I find the whole situation funny.

[SuperBowlNachos]

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See that's what I don't get. 1 person downloading a song is doing exactly $1 in damages if they don't share it with anyone else. I know they're going after the site in this case and not an individual so it was surely shared. If they claim 11,000 songs were downloaded it really shouldn't be anymore than $11,000. Even then there's likely quite a few that do own it legally and just DLed out of convenience instead of ripping it.

In my case they are losing exactly $0.

If it suddenly became 100% impossible to download music for free then it wouldn't change the amount of money I spend on the ****ty music that I download. I'll buy the songs and albums of my favorite regional bands, but under no circumstance would I ever pay for a Lil Wayne, top 40, etc. song. If I couldn't get it for free, I would just not get it.

I bet for 95% of people it would be the same.

[Beantown]

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I bet for 95% of people it would be the same.

Pretty much.

[slickdtc]

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I do a bit of everything... buy, download, stream. I also spread the word as much about the music I listen to to try to be supportive. Buy merchandise, and I'm going to try to get out to more shows. And I don't download anything and everything... I actually listen to every song I have.

[SuperBowlNachos]

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I do a bit of everything... buy, download, stream. I also spread the word as much about the music I listen to to try to be supportive. Buy merchandise, and I'm going to try to get out to more shows. And I don't download anything and everything... I actually listen to every song I have.

This.

Go out and buy that $25 shirt that cost the band $6 to have made. Bands make more on merch then they do any type of music.

[areobee401]

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I enjoy the luxury of being able to download an album before buying. If the quality of the music is there, I purchase the physical copy.

[CMH]

I couldn't get it for free, I would just not get it.

I bet for 95% of people it would be the same.

I'm not sure how accurate this is. Sales for iTunes Top 40 tracks are going up all the time. These songs you can hear on the radio 20 times an hour are being downloaded millions of times.

True, not all reach those figures but they do reach those figures, meaning 95% of the people don't feel the same way as you or me.



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[CMH]

Are artists paid by the listen on Spotify and Last.Fm, or are they just paid a certain amount to have their music on there? Cause if it's the latter, people downloading from other sites is not gonna affect that.

Let's assume they only get paid one lump sum, it would most definitely affect them if people downloaded music illegally.

The only way Spotify can continue to pay out royalties (or the lump sum in this hypothetical) is if people listen to the music (so the ads can play) or if they pay a monthly fee.

If people are downloading the music illegally rather than listening on Spotify, the ad space dwindles, monthly accounts disappear and now there isn't a Spotify and the next venture will suffer a quick death as well.

Spotify wouldn't work five years ago when Limewire and other sites were dominating the downloads of music. But it's actually true that the music industry has succeeded in one thing: getting kids to believe paying for music is the right thing to do.

iTunes has something to do with that. Apple has been a huge help to the industry. Because reality is the industry messed up big time years ago. They are only just now slowly recovering and because the losses are still greater than the gains, they continue with these frivolous lawsuits to make up some ground.

Spotify works today because the next generation of music listeners have been conditioned to use Spotify instead of Napster, LimeWire or anything else.


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[SuperBowlNachos]

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I'm not sure how accurate this is. Sales for iTunes Top 40 tracks are going up all the time. These songs you can hear on the radio 20 times an hour are being downloaded millions of times.

True, not all reach those figures but they do reach those figures, meaning 95% of the people don't feel the same way as you or me.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The people paying for a song like "Call Me Maybe" are the 5%.

If there were no means to get a song without paying $1 for it, then what I was saying is that in my opinion 95% of people would just not bother to get it.

I like having the big top 40 songs readily available. If I had no way, whether it be through Spotify or P2P, to acquire that song then I would just not acquire it. So either way they aren't getting my $1 for "Call Me Maybe".

[Leon]

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It's really all about making content available to everyone (paid, free, subscription etc.) rather than restricting your consumer.

Before iTunes, the only way to get music digitally was thru "illegal downloads." When iTunes showed up, people saw that they could get music thru this one store and were willing to pay the prices that were set (very affordable). Today, you have all of these options to acquire different types of content online legally - which is good since it shows more and more people are wising up to the notion of making it easy for the consumer to access their content.

Now, the only major hurdle is making content accessible by everyone worldwide from day 1. Spotify, for example, isn't available in my territory so as much as I'd love to be a subscriber, they won't allow me to be one. While I can find a way to access it, I'd rather not go through all these hoops just to be able to do so.

Let us (and the RIAA and MPAA etc.) realize that piracy most probably will never be eradicated. They innovate a lot and makes it easy for Mr. Durden to acquire what he's looking for at the tidy price of $0. The sooner everyone stops this cat-and-mouse game and the sooner everyone gets on the same page of "Let's make it EASIER for Roman in Russia, Jackie in China, Tim in the US to legally access/acquire our content," the better off everyone will be.

[bd007h]

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[bd007h]

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I dunno if it's just my phone but the picture I want to post doesn't seem to want to show up :/

[The GIGGAS]

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Spoiler

Fixed that for you. Threw it in spoilers just in case.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Mixtapes don't exactly take 3 minutes to make and the scale is bigger than simple mix-tapes and cassettes anyway. Of course there's going to be theft. ****, look at Wal-Mart. They have a "shrink budget", which is essentially how much **** can be stolen before they even care. The problem happened when it became easily accessible to everybody and like others have said RIAA was too slow/stubborn in opening the same channels legally. They don't know how to handle formats apparently. You'd think they would learn one day.

[CMH]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The people paying for a song like "Call Me Maybe" are the 5%.

If there were no means to get a song without paying $1 for it, then what I was saying is that in my opinion 95% of people would just not bother to get it.

I like having the big top 40 songs readily available. If I had no way, whether it be through Spotify or P2P, to acquire that song then I would just not acquire it. So either way they aren't getting my $1 for "Call Me Maybe".

Ah, understood.


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