Dexter (Season 7)

[CMH]

I agree, if LaGuerta is going to start honing in on Dexter it needs some clarification. Unless there's specific reason for her to suspect him that they make known, it would've made more sense for her to be looking at the cross-referenced lists starting with the first name on it. Having Dexter's name shown on camera as further down the list would have achieved the same effect for the viewer without seeming too contrived.

This is what I'm saying.

If LaGuerta turns around and investigates everyone on the list, then it makes sense.

But if she just zeroes in on Dexter (and the way it was shot made it seem that way) then I call it writer's convenience.

There's no motivation for her to see a list of 7 check marked names and just go...ahhhh, that one! Especially when her whole thing has been about carefully uncovering the truth and not leaving any stone unturned.

This might be all ado about nothing because she might just do that. It just didn't seem that way from how it was shot.


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[AllJuicedUp]

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No I don't acknowledge there's a legitimate reason for her to be suspicious of him.

I don't recall her being suspicious of him.

Have you?

So if she's suspicious because of something Doakes said or did then it deserves mention because she's never acted on anything Doakes said or did.

You can't just assume she randomly acknowledges it just because of Doakes.

Ask yourself right now if LaGuerta has legitimate reasons to suspect Dexter. If she does, then that's what I'm missing. I don't see it though.


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I assume its a combination of her now believing Doakes wasn't the Bay Harbor Butcher and actively looking for the truth, combined with Debs abnormal response over wanting to give up, that when you put it all together, Dexters name stands out as she's scrolling down that list

like, "oh ****, that makes sense... but no way, it couldn't be... could it"

[AllJuicedUp]

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This is what I'm saying.

If LaGuerta turns around and investigates everyone on the list, then it makes sense.

But if she just zeroes in on Dexter (and the way it was shot made it seem that way) then I call it writer's convenience.

There's no motivation for her to see a list of 7 check marked names and just go...ahhhh, that one! Especially when her whole thing has been about carefully uncovering the truth and not leaving any stone unturned.

This might be all ado about nothing because she might just do that. It just didn't seem that way from how it was shot.


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fair enough. I don't necessarily agree, I think there is enough connection between Doakes always being suspicious of Dex, Deb acting funny, and frankly, all the sketchy deaths Dexters been around (including that same day w/ the writer dying in his apartment) that I don't find it that far fetched that she would be drawn to his name and take pause when she sees it.

The bigger issue to me is when the hell did LaGuerta become such a good cop! She's always been particularly poor with the whole detective thing, and now suddenly she's Sherlock Holmes. Now that I'll call BS on lol

[IlliniM1ke]

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Another tie that could obviously mean nothing from the outside but still something, Dexter works with blood and the Bay Harbor Butcher collects blood slides as trophies.

Like I said sure anyone could do it but when you factor in his career it would be something to at least raise an eyebrow.

For Doakes what would a blood slide mean as a trophy? Sure it could mean something and maybe Doakes would collect them if he was the Butcher, but for Dexter a guy who blood plays a role in his life via job (and obviously more that LaGuerta isn't aware of) a blood slide would be a pretty logical trophy.

[CMH]

Another tie that could obviously mean nothing from the outside but still something, Dexter works with blood and the Bay Harbor Butcher collects blood slides as trophies.

Like I said sure anyone could do it but when you factor in his career it would be something to at least raise an eyebrow.

For Doakes what would a blood slide mean as a trophy? Sure it could mean something and maybe Doakes would collect them if he was the Butcher, but for Dexter a guy who blood plays a role in his life via job (and obviously more that LaGuerta isn't aware of) a blood slide would be a pretty logical trophy.

Well, yeah, I see that connection but that's not really my argument.

All I'm saying is that if she's gonna suddenly be super sleuth, she should be checking out each of the check marks.

I agree it's reasonable for her to see a connection (blood splatter, Debra pushing the investigation to the side, Doakes always being suspicious of Dexter) but it still doesn't equate to: "this is the Bay Harbor Butcher. I don't need to check anywhere else. I've got him."

But like I said, I could be assuming she made that connection based off the way it was shot and she might actually just be thinking "I should investigate Dexter. He fits the description."

I'm okay with that. That would make sense.


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[Hassan Darkside]

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I was gonna comment on how Deb's been on her game this season as far as picking up on hints but goodness gracious, we gotta revisit the whole incest thing again?

[WDOgF0reL1fe]

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Wow this episode was outstanding.
The dialogue with Isaac and Dexter in the bar was great.

And yeh. Def didn't know Isaac was...
batting for the other team.

And yes, the Deb thing was lame.

[ubernoob]

On one hand, I don't like the deb story. On the other hand it is quite realistic.

That delves into a whole other debate, analysis and discussion though.

I will say again, isaak is the best villain ever in the series. The swerveopotamus struck with that reveal. The way the episodes were structured I had thought if anything Viktor was his son.

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[BlueNGold]

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I wasn't surprised with the Isaak swerve at all, but it was still really well done (a far cry from last season, which seems to be the theme for this entire season).

For some reason I feel like this was one of the best episodes in the show's history in terms of dialogue.

Also, at Deb getting high. That was just great.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I really think Hannah is working with Isaak and/or The Brotherhood. The way she conveniently over-pronounced his name plus the fact Yvonne Strahovski is Ukrainian leads me to think that. Not only that but if you think about it, she told Dexter to follow Isaak to see what he does, which led Dexter to that gay bar, which in turn led to Isaak having that speech about love that also conveniently tied in to what Dexter is going through with Hannah.

[bichettehappens]

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Thought the Isaak being gay thing was apparent with the way he looked at the (hidden) photograph. Was really dreading the incest thing coming back up when they played that clip on the "previously on Dexter" segment. Ugh. Thought they had just let that storyline go

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I really think Hannah is working with Isaak and/or The Brotherhood. The way she conveniently over-pronounced his name plus the fact Yvonne Strahovski is Ukrainian leads me to think that. Not only that but if you think about it, she told Dexter to follow Isaak to see what he does, which led Dexter to that gay bar, which in turn led to Isaak having that speech about love that also conveniently tied in to what Dexter is going through with Hannah.

Hmm interesting theory, although I don't think Yvonne is Ukranian. That would be quite an unexpected twist since there's been nothing to suggest any ties to the Brotherhood, but who knows. I think, if anything, the speech about love serves to show that Dexter didn't truly love Rita, but may very well love Hannah. I would say that Isaak could then kill Hannah to even the score (true love lost) but really don't see any way they could have Isaak knowing that he didn't love Rita and does love Hannah, so there goes that.

Best villain ever though? The most bad-***, sure, but I don't see how he beats out Trinity when it comes to overall character & storyline quality and thoroughness.

Overall a good episode, but wish someone would kill the incest storyline with fire.

[BlueNGold]

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Thought the Isaak being gay thing was apparent with the way he looked at the (hidden) photograph. Was really dreading the incest thing coming back up when they played that clip on the "previously on Dexter" segment. Ugh. Thought they had just let that storyline go



Hmm interesting theory, although I don't think Yvonne is Ukranian. That would be quite an unexpected twist since there's been nothing to suggest any ties to the Brotherhood, but who knows. I think, if anything, the speech about love serves to show that Dexter didn't truly love Rita, but may very well love Hannah. I would say that Isaak could then kill Hannah to even the score (true love lost) but really don't see any way they could have Isaak knowing that he didn't love Rita and does love Hannah, so there goes that.

Best villain ever though? The most bad-***, sure, but I don't see how he beats out Trinity when it comes to overall character & storyline quality and thoroughness.

Overall a good episode, but wish someone would kill the incest storyline with fire.

Is this a spoiler for next week's episode? Just wanna know before I click it.

[Burns11]

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It's not a spoiler, but speculation should be spoilered.

Anyway, Yvonne is Australian, and has an Australian accent when speaking normally. Strahovski sounds like a Polish name, but since she has an Australian accent it seems inconsequential. Maybe she speaks Polish and things that are closer to Polish she has a hard time getting around the Polish accent? I dunno, it doesn't make much sense to me in the context of the story for

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Hannah to be working with Isaak

[The 24th Letter]

Was Isaacs reveal a surprise to you guys? I've been watching assuming that it was already established honestly.. I can tell the was he was looking at the pictures at the beginning of the season they were more than friends....

Man, I know a lot of folks don't like the Deb/Dex deal,...but the faces he made when she told him she was in love with him...just gold,,,pure gold lol

[Burns11]

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I kind of assumed they were father and and son since Viktor looked to be in his 20s and Isaak looking to be closing in on 50, so I never really gave it a second thought. Looking back this makes more sense, but I just ignored all the signs since I had my assumption.

[cubsball899]

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that Deb/Dexter thing was getting really uncomfortable... BUT i still think it fits in perfectly with Debs character. having the protective (not blood related) brother and her dad always paid more attention to Dexter than to her... i just think it fits even if it is a confused feeling.. but it sure as hell was awkward

also some of the interactions between Dex and Hannah have been a little too cheesy for me, but i'll live with that.

some possible end of show speculation:

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I think i have a pretty decent idea of how the show may end, and I think it'll really challenge how we think of Dexter (the character not the show) currently