Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

[alifeincomplete]

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No one has talked about it here, but it's so great that,

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Daniel Craig plays the Stormtrooper that Rey Jedi Mind Tricks into letting her go.

I enjoy the fact that it's

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him as the cameo, but I despise that scene completely. One of the few anchors weighing down an otherwise good movie. Why and how would she know how to do that? Shark-jumping territory. They made Rey far too overpowered in this movie. She goes from knowing nothing about the Force -- literally believing the Jedi were a myth -- to teaching herself mind tricks and beating a dark Jedi, trained by Luke Skywalker himself despite never having touched a lightsaber before that day. Blargh.

[tdawg3782]

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I enjoy the fact that it's

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him as the cameo, but I despise that scene completely. One of the few anchors weighing down an otherwise good movie. Why and how would she know how to do that? Shark-jumping territory. They made Rey far too overpowered in this movie. She goes from knowing nothing about the Force -- literally believing the Jedi were a myth -- to teaching herself mind tricks and beating a dark Jedi, trained by Luke Skywalker himself despite never having touched a lightsaber before that day. Blargh.

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I could be completely wrong but I think she actually has had some training but either has forgotten because she was so young or, more likely, had her memories altered. I think she's always been powerful and just didn't know it. After realizing that she was able to get into Kylo Rens mind during the interrogation she started really believing in herself. This scene was her testing the belief and power of the force within her. Just my take.

[Chrisksaint]

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I could be completely wrong but I think she actually has had some training but either has forgotten because she was so young or, more likely, had her memories altered. I think she's always been powerful and just didn't know it. After realizing that she was able to get into Kylo Rens mind during the interrogation she started really believing in herself. This scene was her testing the belief and power of the force within her. Just my take.

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She was also basically having a "Force Awakening" pretty much. I believe Kylo even made the comment that the longer she was on the loose the stronger she would become.

[tdawg3782]

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She was also basically having a "Force Awakening" pretty much. I believe Kylo even made the comment that the longer she was on the loose the stronger she would become.

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"Force Awakening" lol. Ya that. And Kylo most definitely made that comment. He could feel the power she had and that's why he was so nervous.

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[alifeincomplete]

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I could be completely wrong but I think she actually has had some training but either has forgotten because she was so young or, more likely, had her memories altered. I think she's always been powerful and just didn't know it. After realizing that she was able to get into Kylo Rens mind during the interrogation she started really believing in herself. This scene was her testing the belief and power of the force within her. Just my take.

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That's certainly the implication, considering that it's also implied that she was A) at the academy when it was sacked by the Knights of Ren and B) is probably Luke's daughter (not directly implied, but it's not a jump in logic to conclude this - why else would she be so powerful and would Anakin's lightsaber call to her and R2 power-on when in her presence?) At any rate, that doesn't mean it's not shoddy characterization. It's a poor literary technique known as a Mary Sue wherein the character is inexplicably overpowered for the sake of story's convenience. Further, it greatly diminishes Kylo in the movie, who goes from stopping bolts of light in mid-air at the beginning to being defeated by an untrained orphan from a backwater planet. Can you imagine A New Hope if Luke jumped in after Obi-Wan bites it and bested Vader in a fight? Weak writing, and this movie would have been better off without it. I hope Rian Johnson doesn't make the same mistake with 8. Ease into a character's sense of self-realization; don't ram it down our throats to prove how great they are.

But I digress. I don't want to dislike this movie because I don't; what it does well, it does very well.

[marshallfever]

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That's certainly the implication, considering that it's also implied that she was A) at the academy when it was sacked by the Knights of Ren and B) is probably Luke's daughter (not directly implied, but it's not a jump in logic to conclude this - why else would she be so powerful and would Anakin's lightsaber call to her and R2 power-on when in her presence?) At any rate, that doesn't mean it's not shoddy characterization. It's a poor literary technique known as a Mary Sue wherein the character is inexplicably overpowered for the sake of story's convenience. Further, it greatly diminishes Kylo in the movie, who goes from stopping bolts of light in mid-air at the beginning to being defeated by an untrained orphan from a backwater planet. Can you imagine A New Hope if Luke jumped in after Obi-Wan bites it and bested Vader in a fight? Weak writing, and this movie would have been better off without it. I hope Rian Johnson doesn't make the same mistake with 8. Ease into a character's sense of self-realization; don't ram it down our throats to prove how great they are.

But I digress. I don't want to dislike this movie because I don't; what it does well, it does very well.

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I thought it was implied shes lukes daughter

I just got back from seeing it. It was pretty good had the vibe of the first three over the prequel three.

As good as it was, the hype around it, "was" and "is" unreal, sort of impossible for any more to match. It was good but, never going to live up to the hype.

Wkth that being said, im looking forward to the next entry

[tdawg3782]

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That's certainly the implication, considering that it's also implied that she was A) at the academy when it was sacked by the Knights of Ren and B) is probably Luke's daughter (not directly implied, but it's not a jump in logic to conclude this - why else would she be so powerful and would Anakin's lightsaber call to her and R2 power-on when in her presence?) At any rate, that doesn't mean it's not shoddy characterization. It's a poor literary technique known as a Mary Sue wherein the character is inexplicably overpowered for the sake of story's convenience. Further, it greatly diminishes Kylo in the movie, who goes from stopping bolts of light in mid-air at the beginning to being defeated by an untrained orphan from a backwater planet. Can you imagine A New Hope if Luke jumped in after Obi-Wan bites it and bested Vader in a fight? Weak writing, and this movie would have been better off without it. I hope Rian Johnson doesn't make the same mistake with 8. Ease into a character's sense of self-realization; don't ram it down our throats to prove how great they are.

But I digress. I don't want to dislike this movie because I don't; what it does well, it does very well.

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I hear what you're saying. I do think there is a huge difference between Kylo Ren and Vader. Kylo Ren is what I imagine Anikin was right after here turned to Vader. Young, arrogant, and really untested for the most part. He isn't going around fighting Jedi because there aren't any around. To each their own though.

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[SinisterAlex]

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I could be completely wrong but I think she actually has had some training but either has forgotten because she was so young or, more likely, had her memories altered. I think she's always been powerful and just didn't know it. After realizing that she was able to get into Kylo Rens mind during the interrogation she started really believing in herself. This scene was her testing the belief and power of the force within her. Just my take.

My theory on the events in The Force Awakens.

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This is a general reply your theory and others.

Rey is obviously Luke's daughter I think everyone can agree with that. That would make Rey and Kylo cousins. Luke meets a female friend while training his new generation of Jedi and Rey is born. Either his female love dies after birth or gets killed during Kylo's betrayal. I'm leaning toward the latter because I have a feeling Luke felt/ sensed the unrest and crazy emotions that Kylo had. Luke taught young Rey basic force skills. Luke meets Maz Kanata (She looks weirdly similar to Yoda and has been around nearly long as Yoda has, perhaps she's a friend, of the same race or sibling?) and tells her about young Rey and gives Maz his father's lightsaber. Luke tells Maz when the time is right to lead Rey to the lightsaber. The lightsaber is what will "unlock" Rey's force knowledge.

After preparing for Kylo's betrayal, Luke finally wipes a young 3-5 year old Rey's memory and sent her off to Jakku. This would explain the flashback of young Rey crying as she's watching her "family" leave her. Shortly after Rey is sent away, Kylo finally betrays Luke and slaughters all of the Jedi apprentices. Kylo escapes and Luke goes into exile much like Yoda did.

Also in the flash back we see Luke's hand on R2-D2, I think this is Luke's final goodbye before he disappears. He puts his whereabouts inside R2-D2 and gives R2-D2 info about Rey and instructions for the right time to "turn on". Luke disappears and Kylo Ren trains with the Supreme Leader under the impression that Luke is the last remaining Jedi. These events go one for years until we get to the beginning of The Force Awakens.

During her time on Jakku, Rey is learning combat skills and life skills. Rey already has lightsaber "skills" as demonstrated with her staff in the opening 30 minutes. She's attacked by the two thugs who want BB-8. She fends them off with her staff with minimal effort.

That's my theory on what's going on.

[kingkilla56]

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That's certainly the implication, considering that it's also implied that she was A) at the academy when it was sacked by the Knights of Ren and B) is probably Luke's daughter (not directly implied, but it's not a jump in logic to conclude this - why else would she be so powerful and would Anakin's lightsaber call to her and R2 power-on when in her presence?) At any rate, that doesn't mean it's not shoddy characterization. It's a poor literary technique known as a Mary Sue wherein the character is inexplicably overpowered for the sake of story's convenience. Further, it greatly diminishes Kylo in the movie, who goes from stopping bolts of light in mid-air at the beginning to being defeated by an untrained orphan from a backwater planet. Can you imagine A New Hope if Luke jumped in after Obi-Wan bites it and bested Vader in a fight? Weak writing, and this movie would have been better off without it. I hope Rian Johnson doesn't make the same mistake with 8. Ease into a character's sense of self-realization; don't ram it down our throats to prove how great they are.

But I digress. I don't want to dislike this movie because I don't; what it does well, it does very well.

The movie stressed beyond belief that Kylo Ren IS NOT Darth Vader.

I don't understand your complaint. If they made him the exact same badass that Darth was from jump street, would that really be fun to watch?

[tdawg3782]

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My theory on the events in The Force Awakens.

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This is a general reply your theory and others.

Rey is obviously Luke's daughter I think everyone can agree with that. That would make Rey and Kylo cousins. Luke meets a female friend while training his new generation of Jedi and Rey is born. Either his female love dies after birth or gets killed during Kylo's betrayal. I'm leaning toward the latter because I have a feeling Luke felt/ sensed the unrest and crazy emotions that Kylo had. Luke taught young Rey basic force skills. Luke meets Maz Kanata (She looks weirdly similar to Yoda and has been around nearly long as Yoda has, perhaps she's a friend, of the same race or sibling?) and tells her about young Rey and gives Maz his father's lightsaber. Luke tells Maz when the time is right to lead Rey to the lightsaber. The lightsaber is what will "unlock" Rey's force knowledge.

After preparing for Kylo's betrayal, Luke finally wipes a young 3-5 year old Rey's memory and sent her off to Jakku. This would explain the flashback of young Rey crying as she's watching her "family" leave her. Shortly after Rey is sent away, Kylo finally betrays Luke and slaughters all of the Jedi apprentices. Kylo escapes and Luke goes into exile much like Yoda did.

Also in the flash back we see Luke's hand on R2-D2, I think this is Luke's final goodbye before he disappears. He puts his whereabouts inside R2-D2 and gives R2-D2 info about Rey and instructions for the right time to "turn on". Luke disappears and Kylo Ren trains with the Supreme Leader under the impression that Luke is the last remaining Jedi. These events go one for years until we get to the beginning of The Force Awakens.

During her time on Jakku, Rey is learning combat skills and life skills. Rey already has lightsaber "skills" as demonstrated with her staff in the opening 30 minutes. She's attacked by the two thugs who want BB-8. She fends them off with her staff with minimal effort.

That's my theory on what's going on.

That makes a lot of sense and I'd have to say I agree completely. Very well stated my friend.

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[jfsolo]

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Welp.

Avoided spoilers flawlessly up to this point. Figured I would log into TF2 and play some surf maps before the UFC main card tonight.

Bad idea.

Guy joins the server with a spoiler as his name. Im gonna try to convince myself hes just trolling and its not real and pretend to be surprised if it ends up being true.

That's on me though. Should have stuck with console games. That's a typical Steam community move.

I feel for anyone who, for whatever reason, has to wait to see it. There are just way too many a-holes and oblivious people who are going to ruin things for others.

[tdawg3782]

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I feel for anyone who, for whatever reason, has to wait to see it. There are just way too many a-holes and oblivious people who are going to ruin things for others.

People are just ****ing *******s. That pretty much sums it up. These people posting spoilers think they are funny too which is mind boggling! !! They're just dicks. Nothing more.

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[SinisterAlex]

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I feel for anyone who, for whatever reason, has to wait to see it. There are just way too many a-holes and oblivious people who are going to ruin things for others.

Apparently yesterday some guy finished watching the movie and as he was leaving he was yelling out all the spoilers to the people waiting in line at the theatre. Then I was told the guy got jumped by a few of the people waiting in line and just got the s*** knocked out of him. Friend of mine told me this today.

But honestly, why do people feel so compelled to ruin the movie for everybody else? Makes no sense.

[DonkeyJote]

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I feel for anyone who, for whatever reason, has to wait to see it. There are just way too many a-holes and oblivious people who are going to ruin things for others.

I'm seeing it tomorrow, and I'm excited for not only the movie but to not have to actively avoid spoilers.

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[ChaseB]

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I have seen it but was on a team tonight in Rainbow Six Siege where the other guys were openly chatting about it. They did warn the rest of the team before starting but I guess the one dude didn't know how to mute and clearly had some stuff spoiled for him. He didn't have a mic though, so you couldn't tell right away.

Long story short, the start of the next round the guy just rampage team killed everyone he could and then rage quit.

It's rough out there trying to avoid spoilers!

Anyway, I really enjoyed the movie. But more than anything, I'm excited for the next one now that the biggest portion of the fan service should be out of the way and they can sort of take it a little bit more where they want to go.

One thing about the ending (and a couple other thoughts):

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I disagree with people saying Luke should have used the force to take the lightsaber. That dude is a broken shell of a man right now. I mean he got all his apprentices killed -- and this is after Anakin's role was supposed to bring balance to the force, presumably with his death since his life didn't do it.

WELP all that sh!t never happened either. So his pops didn't bring balance to the force in any capacity, and he certainly must feel like he messed things up after conceivably thinking he could fix the situation at the end of Return of the Jedi.

I mean he's not going to see Rey -- whether it's his daughter or not, I'm still not sold it is for the record as it seems a little too obvious -- and be like YEAH LET'S DO THIS! He botched the return of the Jedi Order. Plus, he has to feel that Han is dead, and obviously he failed his sister by not being able to contain Ben Solo's dark desires. Also I LOVE that Kylo is tempted by the light side, it's such a nice little tweak to the formula, and adds a nice new layer to the concept as there are those who simply believe in the dark side and believe it's the light side that is the one you have to fight off.

The bigger question to me is what Han said -- that Luke went looking for the original Jedi temple -- true or not? And if it is, did Luke find what he was looking for, or was that a miss as well? Or did he never actually go and gave up?

I assume Rey is at the very least related to someone that was killed under Luke's tutelage. I say this in part as well because even if Luke is the one that gave her away on Jakku, who the hell did Luke leave Rey with who then abandoned Rey as well? And Rey was just given weird half thoughts while her other memories were erased? It all seems a bit peculiar. Seems more likely that someone would want to go train with Luke but has a kid, so Rey gets left behind.

On the other hand, I have no issue with her being able to deal with Kylo. Maybe her powers come on a bit too strong too fast, but we don't know her history either. On top of that, Kylo just killed his dad, then got shot, then had to battle Finn, THEN has to deal with someone who does have hand to hand training, just not with a lightsaber. She's certified to take on an injured Force user who is clearly a bit scared of her and injured -- even if he has been trained. His training isn't "complete" anyway according to Snoke. If anything, I got more beef with the sanitation storm trooper (Finn) being able to tangle with Kylo for a bit before getting dropped. Though I assume Finn has some powerful parents as well as it doesn't seem like the Storm Trooper program at that point is looking for just anyone, the First Order is looking for specific types of people.

Anyway, two things in the deux ex machina department that bothered me: how the hell did they get Anakin/Luke's lightsaber back? Didn't that thing drop into a hole when Luke's arm gets chopped off in ESB? I know Maz Kanata says that's a story for another day to wipe it away, but still that's a hell of a trip for a lightsaber. Secondly, R2-D2 just magically waking bothers me. I guess one explanation is that it's only supposed to wake up around Rey etc. but then that more or less means Luke was planning this, and I just don't see that at this juncture. Either way, I am able to wipe some of it away and just accept that "the force" is bringing people together for some of these events. On some level that's a cheap trick sure, but still it's sort of how "the force" has been talked about -- assuming we just ignore every friggin' thing about how "the force" is explained in Phantom Menace etc.

Anyway, returning to my point, Luke wants no part of any of this, he became a straight up hermit -- Obi Wan was at least watching over Luke when he did his hermit thing. And the explanation for why Yoda is in hiding from the prequels is BS so I'm not even acknowledging that so I don't have a clear reason for Yoda being a hermit or if he had a plan to be found like Obi Wan did.

A big part of the next movie has to be about Luke dealing with his demons and deciding whether to help or not (with the presumption being eventually that he does help. Basically Rey is Apollo Creed and Luke is Rocky Balboa, and I want them running on the beach like in Rocky III as Luke re-discovers himself.

Or maybe Rey can be an Adrian surrogate as it becomes more Father/daughter talk than wife/husband talk...Just think back to Rocky's talk on the beach, and replace Rocky with Luke and Adrian with Rey, it totes works:

Rocky: Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are! I don't believe in myself no more don't you understand? When a JEDI don't believe, that's it! He's finished, it's over, that's it.

Adrian: THAT'S NOT IT!!

Rocky: That is it!

Adrian: Why don't you tell me the truth?!

Rocky: I'M AFRAID! ALL RIGHT?! YOU WANT TO HEAR ME SAY IT? You want to break me down? All right, I'm afraid. For the first time in my life, I'm afraid.

Adrian: I'm afraid too. There's nothing wrong with being afraid.

Rocky: There is. For me, there is.

Adrian: Why? You're human aren't you?

Rocky: Look, I don't know what I am. All I know is I'm a liar, and because of that HAN ain't here no more.

Adrian: You didn't push him into anything! He was a grown man and he did what he had to do! And you have no right to feel guilty for what happened. You don't! You were a JEDI MASTER, and you did what you were expected to do, and you did what I and everybody else thought you should do. And you wanna tell me that those fights weren't real, that you were carried? Well I don't believe it! But it doesn't matter what I believe because you're the one that's got to carry that fear around inside you, afraid that everybody's going to take things away and afraid that you're going to be remembered as a coward, that you're not a man anymore. Well, none of it's true! But it doesn't matter if I tell you. It doesn't matter, because you're the one that's gotta settle it. Get rid of it! Because when all the smoke has cleared and everyone's through chanting your name, it's just going to be us. And you can't live like this. We can't live like this. Cause it's going to bother you for the rest of your life. Look what it's doing to you now. LEIA thinks you can do it, so do I. But you gotta want to do it for the right reasons. Not for the guilt over HAN AND THE JEDI, not for the REPUBLIC, but for you. Just you. Just you alone.

Rocky: And if I lose?

Adrian: Then you lose. But at least you lose with no excuses, no fear. And I know you can live with that.