Game of Thrones Season 4 (aka A Storm of Swords: Part Deux)

**coogrfan** · 05-12-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Steven20

Ned was the reason Ned is dead. The man was overly proud moron. He deserved to die. And after Ned the blame would fall to Littlefinger, Cersei, Joffrey, and Slynt long before it gets to Jaime.

I wouldn't say Ned was "overly proud". If anything, he was an honorable man who couldn't or wouldn't recognize the fact that he was living in dishonorable times.

**coogrfan** · 05-12-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Candyman5

Remembering correctly he said he saw her get on the boat. When Tyrion asked if he seen the boat leave he said she was on the boat. My guess is Bronn got her to the boat but Shay snuck off when Bronn left.

IIRC, after Joffrey's death Tywin ordered that all ships in port were to be seized. Apparently Shae's ship had not yet sailed.

**Chrisksaint** · 05-12-2014, 06:08 PM

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Ned deserved to die?!? He was the most honorable man in Westeros. He finally concedes and is killed. Nope just no.

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**kingkilla56** · 05-12-2014, 07:05 PM

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I thought I was alone Chris. Ya'll buggin.

lol Ned deserved to die. I needed a good laugh.

**GAMEC0CK2002** · 05-12-2014, 08:07 PM

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Just watched the episode.

That's how you knock it out of the park. Can't wait for next week.

**Hiro1** · 05-12-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Chrisksaint

Ned deserved to die?!? He was the most honorable man in Westeros. He finally concedes and is killed. Nope just no.

In the Game of Thrones you either win or die. Remember after Jaime killed the king, Ned could've taken the throne but chose against it. Ultimately he died because he trusted Littlefinger. He had an ok plan to oust the Lannisters, but he needed patience and more time to develope a better one before threatening Cersei and putting it in motion.

Tunnel vision when playing the game is a death Sentence. Hell the moment he said yes to being the hand he was dead.

**fistofrage** · 05-12-2014, 10:36 PM

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So how does the trial by combat work and why didn't Ned Stark take that out? Seems like he would have had a decent shot. Seems like if you are a decent swordsman or have $$$ and can buy the best swordsman in the land, you can stand a good chance of beating the rap.

**gopher_guy** · 05-12-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by fistofrage

So how does the trial by combat work and why didn't Ned Stark take that out? Seems like he would have had a decent shot. Seems like if you are a decent swordsman or have $$$ and can buy the best swordsman in the land, you can stand a good chance of beating the rap.

Did Ned ever have a trial? I feel like Joffrey pretty much just said, "Off with his head", and it was done.

Could be remembering that wrong, though.

**redsrule** · 05-12-2014, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by fistofrage

So how does the trial by combat work and why didn't Ned Stark take that out? Seems like he would have had a decent shot. Seems like if you are a decent swordsman or have $$$ and can buy the best swordsman in the land, you can stand a good chance of beating the rap.

Trial by combat- You can fight for yourself or have a champion (like Bronn at the Vale) fight for you.

A couple reasons Ned didn't. One, he was still not 100% from the his injuries from when him & Jaime fought.
The other reason was he was told he could declare his sins and go to the Wall to spend the rest of his life. Joffrey ruined that and had him killed instead, despite Ned being assured he could do that.

**N51_rob** · 05-12-2014, 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by fistofrage

So how does the trial by combat work and why didn't Ned Stark take that out? Seems like he would have had a decent shot. Seems like if you are a decent swordsman or have $$$ and can buy the best swordsman in the land, you can stand a good chance of beating the rap.

Reds rule has pretty much summed up what a Trial By Combat is.

As for Ned there were several factors that could've lead to his decision not to exercise it. You have to remember his daughter were "hostages" of the Lannisters after he was imprisoned and he was told they could not find Arya. He was still suffering from his injuries, and it was highly unlikely that someone would've stepped forward to be his champion. You also have to remember his family's history with "Trials by Combat" in Kings Landing. That is how he lost his father and brother, which started Robert's Rebellion.

Varys has pretty much told him that he would be allowed to take the black and join the Nights Watch, and he was coming around to the idea and being able to see Jon and tell him about his mother and other things.

**LionsFanNJ** · 05-12-2014, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by rdnk

Tyrion's speech at the end was awesome.

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Book/possibly casting show spoilers

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Love the reaction from non book readers. Everythings so fresh to yall, though the show is starting to throw more scenes not from the novels. Stannis never was shown going to Braavos for example.

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**kingkilla56** · 05-12-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by Hiro1

In the Game of Thrones you either win or die. Remember after Jaime killed the king, Ned could've taken the throne but chose against it. Ultimately he died because he trusted Littlefinger. He had an ok plan to oust the Lannisters, but he needed patience and more time to develope a better one before threatening Cersei and putting it in motion.

Tunnel vision when playing the game is a death Sentence. Hell the moment he said yes to being the hand he was dead.

I get the pov of "Ed sucked at being a lying murderous ******* so he deserved death", but speaking on the character traits, he didnt deserve death the way others most certainly do. Nothing deeper than that.

We all know Ed was bad at playing the game. He told Cersei he knew her secret to her face, and said he planned to expose it point blank. Retrospectively that was the most idiotic thing ever. But still, Cersei ranks higher on the "deserves death" list than Ed ever did. Thats all I'm saying.

Im talking character, not so much plot/theme, when I say Ed didnt deserve to die.

**Hiro1** · 05-14-2014, 12:13 PM

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Tyrion's alternate speech

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ&feature=youtu.be

**Leon** · 05-15-2014, 01:37 AM

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Every mashup of this show has been simply hilarious. ICE of the HOUSE T!

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**Cusefan** · 05-18-2014, 09:04 PM

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