Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

[LowerWolf]

Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

I would think Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are iconic enough that they don't really need much of an origin.

You'd probably have to do a little bit of a setup for people like Aquaman, The Flash, Green Lantern and Cyborg.

[SPTO]

Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

I would think Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are iconic enough that they don't really need much of an origin.

You'd probably have to do a little bit of a setup for people like Aquaman, The Flash, Green Lantern and Cyborg.

Yeah, see I don't get some of the complaints about not doing separate movies for these characters because by and large the Justice League is far more ingrained in the non comic book community's mind than most of the Marvel characters. Personally I think the way Marvel set things up is better in the long term for creating an actual cinematic universe but DC's direction isn't JUST a rush job for cash.

BTW I would say GL and Flash don't need TOO much set up. People have a good idea of who Barry Allen is and Green Lantern has a long enough history that people know what he's all about though they'll have to do a better job of portraying Hal Jordan the RIGHT way. The script for the Green Lantern movie was just wretched even if the story was okay in premise.

[fatleg3]

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What was wrong with the Green Lantern movie

[Boltman]

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What was wrong with the Green Lantern movie

I guess to each his own, but you actually enjoyed that hot mess?

[Leon]

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The parts in Oa were pretty fun. Reynolds was a good Hal Jordan, but the script just really sucked.

[SPTO]

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The parts in Oa were pretty fun. Reynolds was a good Hal Jordan, but the script just really sucked.

Reynolds did what the script asked of him but that was NOT Hal Jordan at all. They went super cheesy with the approach to the storyline and it didn't help that they picked a villain that could easily be turned into satire if done wrong. They should've just done a straight up Hal vs Sinestro story.

[Happy29]

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Reynolds did what the script asked of him but that was NOT Hal Jordan at all. They went super cheesy with the approach to the storyline and it didn't help that they picked a villain that could easily be turned into satire if done wrong. They should've just done a straight up Hal vs Sinestro story.

I agree Reynolds imo would have been a better Flash.


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[King_B_Mack]

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This is basically a rush job because they saw how much cash Avengers pulled in.

The biggest mistake DC could have made was to give Nolan the control they did and allowed him to waste their biggest character for damn near a decade. Cool his trilogy was good, made you guys a lot of money but where are you now? Needing a reboot of the character because you allowed him to **** up your whole potential cinematic universe with his ultra realistic angle and no other heroes or sidekicks etc.

What people fail to realize, is not everybody cares about comic book characters or knows anything about them. Example, my mom loves the Marvel movies and has seen the Avengers about five times now. She knew absolutely nothing about ANY of those characters before I watched Iron Man with her. She watched all the setup movies so when she went into Avengers she knew what was going on.

Yes for those of us that know these characters, origin stories can be boring because we know it already, but everybody doesn't know all of that stuff. Green Lantern isn't popular enough in the mainstream to say he doesn't need a origin story. Flash is not popular enough in the mainstream to say he doesn't need an origin story. IMO, DC is setting itself up for a trainwreck of a film with all the characters they're cramming into this and trying to skip past all the hardwork of building up a universe to fast track to the big payday. Maybe it will work out, we can only hope as superhero fans, but I don't like the way this whole thing is going.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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The biggest mistake DC could have made was to give Nolan the control they did and allowed him to waste their biggest character for damn near a decade. Cool his trilogy was good, made you guys a lot of money but where are you now? Needing a reboot of the character because you allowed him to **** up your whole potential cinematic universe with his ultra realistic angle and no other heroes or sidekicks etc.

I think this is the first and only time I've ever seen Nolan's trilogy being referred to as a mistake.

I'd rather have Nolan's films than the formula-laden and yawn-inducing of the Marvel universe. Outside of the title characters there's little else to be excited about with Marvel to me. The villains have been largely forgettable with 1 exception.

What people fail to realize, is not everybody cares about comic book characters or knows anything about them. Example, my mom loves the Marvel movies and has seen the Avengers about five times now. She knew absolutely nothing about ANY of those characters before I watched Iron Man with her. She watched all the setup movies so when she went into Avengers she knew what was going on.

Yes for those of us that know these characters, origin stories can be boring because we know it already, but everybody doesn't know all of that stuff. Green Lantern isn't popular enough in the mainstream to say he doesn't need a origin story. Flash is not popular enough in the mainstream to say he doesn't need an origin story. IMO, DC is setting itself up for a trainwreck of a film with all the characters they're cramming into this and trying to skip past all the hardwork of building up a universe to fast track to the big payday. Maybe it will work out, we can only hope as superhero fans, but I don't like the way this whole thing is going.

Again, I don't think everything needs an origin story or a "birth" to make a good story or to make good character development. The movie itself should be enough to tell us what we need to know about the character. Here's a guy that can run fast as ****. Sweet. Here's a guy that has a magical green ring. Nice. I don't understand why audiences get hung on the "how did they come to be" stories. I guess they're fun for familiarity, but I don't think they're necessary to be first in line before a character can be in a "team-up" movie.

Avengers worked as a stand alone movie, but since it was essentially a culmination sequel we had "history" that allowed more emotion to be tied to the characters. Still, there was enough in Avengers to get to know the characters during the 2 hours of screen time. The X-Men films have done it since day 1 and have only really done two origin tales: Rogue and Wolverine. Yet, those are films that routinely have large casts work and develop fairly well sans X3.

I think the Marvel approach was a safe way to test the waters, but I don't think its the only way. My only concern is if DC/WB has good enough writers to realize that.

[wwharton]

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Everything needs an exposition and origin story.

Was going to mention the XMen but I see FT beat me to it. I think that gets kind of lost in the mix bc we think of the XMen as one, but there is plenty of character development needed and done without each one having/needing individual movies.

[kingkilla56]

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Id just like to see more DC movies, especially ones NOT involving Superman and Batman. Hell they didnt even want to give us another straight up Superman movie.

They dont need to be "formulaic origin" stories at all. Anything to introduce a new character to their DC catalog on a major film level is a good thing to me, granted they go all in on it.

Whats to stop the JL movie from being one giant Batman Superman slurp fest? Thats what it looks like its gonna be if none of the other members get any type of burn. We'll see when this movie releases one day, but something tells me Wonderwoman will be a side goon in the 2016 movie. Idk.

There is nothing wrong with giving the other members their own films (read: films not including the two biggest superheros for DC), origins or not. Hell some of the members have their own hit TV shows running now. I want more than just Batman and Superman. I dont want to wait till the JL comes out for it.

[TripleCrown9]

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Id just like to see more DC movies, especially ones NOT involving Superman and Batman. Hell they didnt even want to give us another straight up Superman movie.

They dont need to be "formulaic origin" stories at all. Anything to introduce a new character to their DC catalog on a major film level is a good thing to me, granted they go all in on it.

Whats to stop the JL movie from being one giant Batman Superman slurp fest? Thats what it looks like its gonna be if none of the other members get any type of burn. We'll see when this movie releases one day, but something tells me Wonderwoman will be a side goon in the 2016 movie. Idk.

There is nothing wrong with giving the other members their own films (read: films not including the two biggest superheros for DC), origins or not. Hell some of the members have their own hit TV shows running now. I want more than just Batman and Superman. I dont want to wait till the JL comes out for it.

I wish people would stop saying this lol. The MoS sequel is coming out after BvS.

[aukevin]

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Reynolds did what the script asked of him but that was NOT Hal Jordan at all. They went super cheesy with the approach to the storyline and it didn't help that they picked a villain that could easily be turned into satire if done wrong. They should've just done a straight up Hal vs Sinestro story.

For a character like Green Lantern you don't set up Sinestro for a second movie, you get right to it in the first one.

[Jeffx]

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I just wish they chose anyone who actually looked like Wonder Woman.

...and built like her too. WW is supposed to be a freaking amazon, not some petite Hollywood twinkie.

[BigBoi23]

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Potential DC movie slate here, as reported by IGN:

May 2016 – Batman v Superman

July 2016 – Shazam

Xmas 2016 – Sandman

May 2017 – Justice League

July 2017 – Wonder Woman

Xmas 2017 – Flash and Green Lantern team-up

May 2018 – Man of Steel 2