Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

[TripleCrown9]

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Batman & Robin. Batman Forever. Superman 3. Superman 4. Supergirl.

Then again, they're in "so bad, it's good" territory so I wouldn't call them a **** up.

And Superman Returns. I can't take that one seriously. Also, if the eventual JL movie doesn't have Green Arrow and Flash (played by the current TV show actors) it's not worth it.

[Leon]

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And Superman Returns. I can't take that one seriously. Also, if the eventual JL movie doesn't have Green Arrow and Flash (played by the current TV show actors) it's not worth it.

I wouldn't consider Superman Returns a wreck. There was a lot of good in there, but the nostalgia overpowered it.

[SPTO]

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Batman & Robin. Batman Forever. Superman 3. Superman 4. Supergirl.

Then again, they're in "so bad, it's good" territory so I wouldn't call them a **** up.

There's no excuse for those Batman movies but with the Superman movies and Supergirl well....Those two Supes movies were under the Cannon Group/Golan Globus umbrella. You can't take anything made by THOSE guys seriously and while Superman 4 was a bit cheesy (ok it was a lot cheesy) you have to at least admire Christopher Reeve wanting to put in an anti-nuclear message.

Supergirl was just screwed up from the word go but the extended cut makes it worth watching IMO.

Keep in mind, DC had no direct involvement creatively in these movies so you can't lay the blame on the company for those **** ups. I can easily point to a few films (TV and theatrical) from the '80s and '90s that made Marvel look rather dubious too.

[Blzer]

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I believe they were shooting for a summer 2015 release to compete with Avengers 2 but they had some scheduling conflicts plus I think they changed the script mid-production if I heard right.
Fun fact: the new release date of May 6, 2016 is the same day Marvel is planning the release of Captain America 3. This rivalry is fun.

As I quote Emma Frost from X-Men: First Class...

"I wouldn't call it a war, exactly. That suggests both sides stand an equal chance of winning."

Of course, replace war with rivalry and reduce the irony by including a Marvel character which actually exists in the Avengers film universe, but I just thought it was too good a moment to pass up.

I think DC is rushing into this way too quickly. It's not like people are going to die in ten more years (except the actors they want will age I guess).

[Chrisksaint]

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Not going to really judge their strategy until I see this movie. What they got going for them is I feel like Justice League as a group is more recognizable then The Avengers were before their movie (I could be wrong).


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[kingkilla56]

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As I quote Emma Frost from X-Men: First Class...

"I wouldn't call it a war, exactly. That suggests both sides stand an equal chance of winning."

Of course, replace war with rivalry and reduce the irony by including a Marvel character which actually exists in the Avengers film universe, but I just thought it was too good a moment to pass up.

I think DC is rushing into this way too quickly. It's not like people are going to die in ten more years (except the actors they want will age I guess).

It didn't even take Marvel 5 years to get its Avengers franchise rolling in full force. Now they're just releasing films left and right and cashing checks. Once they dropped Iron Man 2 in 2010 (stemming from 2008 with Hulk reboot and Iron Man 1) they were ready to blitz the market with their heroes and succeeded.

[And thats not even considering their X Men franchise, and 'their' new Spiderman franchise.]

DC seems content to ignore the success of that model. We'll see how it goes. Marvel is murdering them. They got lazy with Nolan's Batman being the mega success that it was imo. Either that or they still have nightmares about the Green lantern movie lol.

[AshamanCarnage]

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Do we really need a bunch of reboot/introduction films for the JL members? Granted that was Marvel's approach and it worked, but that doesn't mean it is the only way.

I don't need to see a successful introduction movie of the Green lantern to understand that his ring makes green things that he can smash baddies with, or know the Flash's whole backstory to understand he can run pretty fast.

Let people figure things out during the JL movie and then you can start making some individual movies based on popularity.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Everything needs an exposition and origin story.

[Blzer]

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Do we really need a bunch of reboot/introduction films for the JL members? Granted that was Marvel's approach and it worked, but that doesn't mean it is the only way.

I don't need to see a successful introduction movie of the Green lantern to understand that his ring makes green things that he can smash baddies with, or know the Flash's whole backstory to understand he can run pretty fast.

Let people figure things out during the JL movie and then you can start making some individual movies based on popularity.

I don't disagree with this, but I still also don't believe this movie isn't more of a knee-jerk reaction to Marvel getting out of the gate more than anything.

However, I think the formula The Avengers had going for it was still much better with intro films. I didn't read comics, so now I know what they're all about. I get why Rogers is out of sync with the present, why Stark is narcissistic, the whole shtick about Banner now being able to control his anger, the Thor/Loki relationship, and what Nick Fury has to do with any of it. They hit the right buttons, and took a while for it building stories meanwhile.

I guess what I'm just afraid of is any official JL film taking too long during the film to play intro story for three to five big characters. I also don't get how this Batman is supposed to be a bit past his prime, yet Superman was the first costumed hero to be known to the public in this universe.

[Ice_Cold345]

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I think Superman is just really generic. He doesn't have a gimmick to go on, he has like hundreds of powers, and he, at least in the past, would just get powers that would fit the situation to add to his list. Batman has technology and hand-to-hand combat to rely on, Spiderman has his web shooters to rely on, Iron Man has suit / technological mind to build thing, Flash has super speed which he uses to different thing (phazing, powered up punches, etc.) Superman reminds me of a child's dream of a superhero: flight, super speed(which shouldn't be a power of his, because despite Flash being faster, it's almost gimmick infringment), super strength, etc.)

Also, unlike Batman, Superman's villains really don't do anything for me. The majority fall under Super Smart (Luthor/Brainiac) or Super Strength (Doomsday/Darkseid), so there really isn't much deviation between them in my opinion. When you compare it to Batman, who has many different gimmick'd villians (Joker, Bane, Catwoman, Raz Al Ghul/League of Shadows), Superman doesn't really standout in my opinion, as he's too good, he doesn't really have a character fault that makes him standout.

As for the movie, my reaction to everything is "meh." I loved the Justice League cartoon, but DC really seems to be trying to counter Marvel Studios movies, but this movie could really hurt their reputation in live action movies. Outside of the Batman trilogy, (which has to be a different universe) most of their movies have been average or worse.

This movie really has to be good if they want people to take the Justice League seriously. If they want to the original seven, they have to get Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, and Wonder Woman (awful miscast for this movie, she looks nothing like Wonder Woman) screen time to set their characters. You could add Green Arrow , but even then, he will need some time to people know who he is for the people who haven't watched Arrow.

I'm fine with the casts so far, outside of terrible Wonder Woman cast,(Gal Gadot...really, looks 2% like Wonder Woman), but man, I just don't trust Zack Snyder at all. He's made some great movies, but any more, he hasn't released something that has been good in a while in my opinion (even outside of MoS, he hasn't done that much.

EDIT: You could say Superman's gimmick is that he doesn't have a gimmick, but even then, it doesn't make him a more interesting character for it.

[RockinDaMike]

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They need to keep the TV universe away from the movie universe, hence not using the same characters for flash and arrow. I would hate to have the movies dictate anything the shows would do in the future.

Let the TV have their universes and the movies have their's.

As far their JL setup, I think it's OK to do the opposite of Marvel on having a big movie first then come out with their individual movies.

Especially after a Green Lantern bomb and having to follow up a giant batman trilogy. You have to see the new characters and the tone before people will shell out to see their movies especially if they are going to do a Wonder Women movie.



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[AshamanCarnage]

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I guess what I'm just afraid of is any official JL film taking too long during the film to play intro story for three to five big characters. I also don't get how this Batman is supposed to be a bit past his prime, yet Superman was the first costumed hero to be known to the public in this universe.

I'm hoping any intro during the film, would just be them meeting/teaming up for the first time and not individual intros.

Batman being past his prime makes zero sense. Your starting a brand new universe and your most popular (arguably) character is past his prime?

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Does it matter if he's hitting his second wind or not?

I don't understand this 15-year obsession with origin tales and developing useless background history.

[Chrisksaint]

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The more I think of it the more I think this strategy might work out as long as the movie doesn't suck. I'm sure some background for Cyborg and Wonder Woman will be addressed in this movie, and anything else in the beginning of the actual Justice League movie.

Saves time, and allows them to just jump right in to individual movie storylines if they so choose. I just wish they chose anyone who actually looked like Wonder Woman.


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[AshamanCarnage]

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Does it matter if he's hitting his second wind or not?

I don't understand this 15-year obsession with origin tales and developing useless background history.

If he is just getting his second wind, doesn't matter to me. If they are saying past his prime as a way to say he has experience so he can be the leader of the JL, thumbs up. If they mean Brett Farve with the Jets, then I think it would be a mistake.