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  • King_B_Mack
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    • Jan 2009
    • 24450

    #1321
    Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

    Originally posted by mestevo
    I hope for all of this too, absolutely. But the interaction is one way. A lot of this discussion stemmed from two things, is will Coulson show up again (he'd be great in Civil War, if he was an ace up Furys sleeve to snap the heroes out of the fighting) and when the Inhumans movie was rumored to be cancelled and instead it was said that the movie may have nothing to do with the Shield show that has already introduced them - which is hard to do since they did the terrigen bomb plot.

    So disconnected is too harsh of a word, the TV shows borrow what's convenient, but ultimately aren't influencing movies and characters for the most part aren't expected to cross over (and very rarely have this far, just Coulson and Sif?)

    More on topic, this is much more the case for the DC TV shows, as they're much more mature and their movie counterparts have been recast.

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    Fury and Maria Hill as well. Also Agent Carter, Howard Stark. There's more influence than I think you're giving them credit for. Granted it's more the movies influencing the shows than the other way around, but Agent Carter certainly has it's influence.

    On the series relationship with the films, Fazekas said "Because Peggy comes from their movies, Louis D'Esposito and Kevin Feige are very invested in this and they've been really collaborative and very generous with their world."[49] Markus, talking about the series place in the greater architecture of the MCU, later said "you really only need to drop the tiniest bit of hint and its connected. You don’t have to go, "Howard Stark's wearing the same pants that Tony wears!” ... Everything is enhanced just by the knowledge that its all connected."[48] Butter said, "We always want to be true to [the MCU]. We always want to feel like you see us as a piece of it. But because of our time period, we kind of are on our own a little bit."[73]

    In July 2014, Fazekas talked about how the series would relate to the One-Shot, saying, "The short really is the basis for the series. [Carter]'s working at SSR, post-war... If you think of the short as sort of the end of the series, the series would be leading up to that moment where she gets assigned to S.H.I.E.L.D."[74] Markus reiterated this in January 2015, but added that "we all agree and understand that [keeping continuity with the short is] going to get tougher if we continue" making the series.[48]

    The first season introduces the origins of the Black Widow and Winter Soldier programs, which both appear in several MCU films.[75][76][77] The second season shows the discovery of the Darkforce (known as Zero Matter in the series), which previously appeared in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and has ties to Doctor Strange.[78] Theoretical physicist Clifford Johnson served as a consultant during the second season to help ground the Zero Matter in science.[79]
    and on Agents of SHIELD

    In July 2013, Jed Whedon said the series would work in tandem with the Marvel films, both past and upcoming, to weave in between the films, and to "try to make them more rewarding on both ends."[104] In March 2014, Bell stated at the show's PaleyFest panel that the producers and the writers are able to read the screenplays for upcoming MCU films to know where the universe is heading, which allowed them to form a general plan for the show through the end of a third season.[105] Elaborating on where the series is allowed to go, Bell later pointed out that there are not many superheroes in the MCU films, so the series cannot introduce new superheroes and abilities every episode in that universe or "suddenly [Avengers: Age of Ultron] is a very different movie."[59]

    Jed Whedon explained that each Marvel project is intended to standalone first before there is any interweaving, and noted that the series has to work with the film division and be aware of their plans so as not to interfere when introducing someone or something to the universe.[106] Bell elaborated that this was preferable so that people who do not watch the films can still follow the series, and vice versa. He stated that "ABC and Marvel both want the series to be able to make sense on its own", but that it was beneficial for the films to have the series fill in any "gaps" for them, due to having to be "big" and moving "quickly through a lot of huge pieces", unlike television which has time to deal with more nuances.[61] In January 2016, Joss Whedon noted that this process "unfortunately just means the TV show gets, you know, leftovers." He stated that, for example, the series' creative team initially wanted to use Loki's scepter from The Avengers but were unable to due to Whedon's plans for it in Age of Ultron.[107]

    The series' first tie-in episode with the Marvel Cinematic Universe is "The Well", which takes place after the events of Thor: The Dark World.[108] Another tie-in takes place in the episodes "End of the Beginning" and "Turn, Turn, Turn",[109] which revolve around the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier.[110] This led to a retooling of the series.[111] Flashback sequences in "Shadows" and "The Things We Bury" featuring Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter tie into the Agent Carter television series.[112][113] The events of "The Frenemy of My Enemy" and "The Dirty Half Dozen" lead up to the opening sequence of Avengers: Age of Ultron, while "Scars" deals with the aftermath of that film.[114] The third season follows similar themes to the film Captain America: Civil War, focusing on powered people and the different responses to them,[115] leading up to the episode "Emancipation", which takes place after the film and shows how its events affect the series' powered characters.[116]

    The episode "T.A.H.I.T.I." introduces the Kree alien race to the MCU, members of which play a significant role in Guardians of the Galaxy.[117][118] This begins a storyline that recurs throughout the series, and introduces Inhumans to the MCU,[5] with Jed Whedon saying that it was something "in the works" for a long time, as Marvel Studios has plans for an Inhumans film, and this would be "one of the first instances where we get to start planting the seeds on the show before the film."[119] Gregg noted in January 2016 that the "writer and director [of the Inhumans film] will have free rein to do what they want to do with the Inhumans, but hopefully there'll be some way that our Inhumans connect to that."[120] The third season introduces the concept of the Secret Warriors, with new Inhuman characters inspired by the comic of the same name.[7][121] The season also retcons the history of Hydra in the MCU, tying it into the Inhumans storyline.[122]
    But yeah my point was that disconnect in terms of Marvel is way too strong because that's suggesting that they are completely separate from each other with no relations between the films and TV when there is a connection unlike what's happening with DC where they've created two completely separate universes where characters have been recast from the movies and shows.

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    • Bullit
      Bacon is Better
      • Aug 2009
      • 5004

      #1322
      Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

      Let's get this a little more on track guys. Great discussions, I will grant you. But this the Batman Vs Superman thread, not the Marvel Universe thread of TV to movie comparisons and disconnects.
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      • daflyboys
        Banned
        • May 2003
        • 18238

        #1323
        Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

        Originally posted by Bullit
        Let's get this a little more on track guys. Great discussions, I will grant you. But this the Batman Vs Superman thread, not the Marvel Universe thread of TV to movie comparisons and disconnects.
        Ya...God knows 166 pages of this stuff just aint enough!

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        • Jeffx
          MVP
          • Jan 2007
          • 3045

          #1324
          Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

          I thought BvS was well done....as much as I can't stand Ben Affleck, he did a great job as an older, grizzled, pissed-off Batman. I love how the movie borrowed from "The Dark Knight Returns".

          Thought you guys might like this;

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          • Leon
            An Old Trafford
            • Mar 2003
            • 4981

            #1325
            Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

            Originally posted by Jeffx
            I thought BvS was well done....as much as I can't stand Ben Affleck, he did a great job as an older, grizzled, pissed-off Batman. I love how the movie borrowed from "The Dark Knight Returns".

            Thought you guys might like this;

            http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/...an-v-superman/
            Great link, especially useful for those who lambaste the movie based on certain plot points. Though I'd say his number 4 is a little bit wrong because Alfred specifically says Bruce changed after "The Superman" was introduced to the world.
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            • jeremym480
              Speak it into existence
              • Oct 2008
              • 18198

              #1326
              Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

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              • Jm0ney2001
                MVP
                • Nov 2003
                • 1352

                #1327
                Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                Batfleck is getting his own movie to direct. He has had some impressive movies so this film should be interesting. I think he's going to have a hard time finding a villain though.

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                • TripleCrown9
                  Keep the Faith
                  • May 2010
                  • 23676

                  #1328
                  Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                  Originally posted by Jm0ney2001
                  Batfleck is getting his own movie to direct. He has had some impressive movies so this film should be interesting. I think he's going to have a hard time finding a villain though.
                  A villain or an actor to play a villain?

                  Either way, there's not a shortage of either.
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                  • dubcity
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • May 2012
                    • 17873

                    #1329
                    Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                    A Batman movie directed by Ben Affleck sounds horrid. That decision reeks of desperation to me.

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                    • Fresh Tendrils
                      Strike Hard and Fade Away
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 36131

                      #1330
                      Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                      Why? Affleck is a pretty good director.



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                      • TripleCrown9
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                        • May 2010
                        • 23676

                        #1331
                        Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                        Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                        Why? Affleck is a pretty good director.
                        Exactly. A Batman movie directed by Affleck would actually be pretty good.
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                        • Jm0ney2001
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 1352

                          #1332
                          Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                          I just think he should try to find a villain that hasn't been done. Like calendar man or something.

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                          • TripleCrown9
                            Keep the Faith
                            • May 2010
                            • 23676

                            #1333
                            Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                            Originally posted by Jm0ney2001
                            I just think he should try to find a villain that hasn't been done. Like calendar man or something.
                            Or Black Mask or Red Hood or someone new like the Court of Owls or give us a good Riddler.
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                            • King_B_Mack
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                              • Jan 2009
                              • 24450

                              #1334
                              Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                              Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                              Or Black Mask or Red Hood or someone new like the Court of Owls or give us a good Riddler.
                              Batman v Superman already beat him to that one. Ba dum tss

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                              • DickDalewood
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                                • Aug 2010
                                • 6263

                                #1335
                                Re: Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

                                Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                                Exactly. A Batman movie directed by Affleck would actually be pretty good.
                                Agreed. He was a great Batman, so give me a film by him with the grittiness of The Town and I’m all in.

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