Game of Thrones: Season 6

[The JareBear]

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I guess I'm having a hard time interpreting the look Jaime and Cersei give each other at the end.

Like wasn't Jaime just telling Edmure how everything he does is for his sister and how he's gonna do everything he can to get back to her, and even in the finale Cersei laments that she at least loves, well, a certain activity with her brother.

Cersei obviously commits a horrific act to overcome her enemies, basically the act that Jaime broke his oath to stop from happening with the Mad King, but is it enough to truly kill their love, just like that, after all they have been through already?

I wouldn't mind Jaime going "full on good guy" turn, if that's what they want to do with it

[Leon]

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Not a joke. I know most of us bought in to the R+L=J theory a long time ago, but it's never been 100% confirmed. There was talk in this thread that Robert Baratheon potentially being Jon's father. I saw the graphic, though it was pretty cool/informative and figured I would share. That's all.

I said joke in the sense that it was shown in a very confusing manner. Although I find it troubling that HBO would just casually confirm such a big reveal as Rhaegar -- though that has been discussed to death for so many years -- in an (confusing) infographic as compared to revealing it thru the show organically. Heck, if I were GRRM, I'd be pissed if that's how they reveal such a big mystery.

[CMH]

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I said joke in the sense that it was shown in a very confusing manner. Although I find it troubling that HBO would just casually confirm such a big reveal as Rhaegar -- though that has been discussed to death for so many years -- in an (confusing) infographic as compared to revealing it thru the show organically. Heck, if I were GRRM, I'd be pissed if that's how they reveal such a big mystery.

A thought.

When she whispers to Ned, I've seen people assume she was saying the name of the father. But how do we know she wasn't saying something else entirely. Why even whisper? Anyone in that room would know who the father is.

What if HBO assumed the audience would have understood Rhaegar is the father based on the fact he kidnapped Lyanna and he was the only man that would have given her a child?

And if we are to know that based on that fact, it means the info graphic isn't a reveal, but an explanation of the events and the whispered secret is something much bigger.

[GamingJones]

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I guess I'm having a hard time interpreting the look Jaime and Cersei give each other at the end.

Like wasn't Jaime just telling Edmure how everything he does is for his sister and how he's gonna do everything he can to get back to her, and even in the finale Cersei laments that she at least loves, well, a certain activity with her brother.

Cersei obviously commits a horrific act to overcome her enemies, basically the act that Jaime broke his oath to stop from happening with the Mad King, but is it enough to truly kill their love, just like that, after all they have been through already?

I wouldn't mind Jaime going "full on good guy" turn, if that's what they want to do with it

Assuming almost everything happens in GoT for a reason, it's clear Brienne's conversation with Jamie about honor is affecting him. Even before the scene with Cersei, Jamie seemed beside himself at the dinner with the Frey's.

[DamnYanks2]

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Jamie's definitely changed quite a bit, rewatching season 1, he was a terrible person, just pushed Bran out the window like it was nothing.

It's amazing watching season 1 again, catching all the things that made no sense then.

One thing that made no sense to me, maybe it was pure arrogance by the High Sparrow, but did he really think Cersei was gonna go quietly this time?

You shamed her in front of the entire kingdom, and you know that Jamie and Cersie want to kill him, Jamie threatened him, he threatened back.

I guess he felt he had the king at his back, and he could use him to control her.

But did word not get to him or the king that Cersei's bodyguard literally ripped apart one of his sparrows in front of them?

Any fool could see Cersei was not going to trial without violence.





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[The JareBear]

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Assuming almost everything happens in GoT for a reason, it's clear Brienne's conversation with Jamie about honor is affecting him. Even before the scene with Cersei, Jamie seemed beside himself at the dinner with the Frey's.

Speaking of Brienne, do we know where she ended up after rowing out of Riverrun?

And yea, you are spot on I think. Even when she named the sword Oathkeeper you could see a sort of "light" in Jaime's face.

His whole "I will catapult your baby into that castle if you don't go in there and surrender it to us" speech made me wonder, but I guess that is just what happens in war anyway

[Burns11]

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I feel like Jaime has always been a "good guy" outside of Cersei/Tywin's influence.

[The JareBear]

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I feel like Jamie has always been a "good guy" outside of Cersei/Tywin's influence.

Pushing Bran off the tower was hard for me to get over, even though I understood why he did it. I would have to look back but I feel there were other things that made me question what kind of character he is during the course of the show. I just remember really not liking him for a long time.

In my eyes, he definitely does seem to be a better person than I first realized.

I guess I have a double standard though, as I wag my finger at some characters for killing/trying to kill people when I applaud Arya for massacring anyone they let her

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I think the High Sparrow just believed his bull**** he was peddling so much, it in turn consumed him as well. The sense of invincibility of your 'Gods". You keep investing into something so much, no matter the truth or fallacy in it, it will eventually consume you.

Hence why most modern religions tell one to be careful of becoming 'too worldly', since it will consume you and knock you off the true path to enlightenment. Ironic that the majority who follow modern religions in the real world, are extremely worldly.

[Leon]

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A thought.

When she whispers to Ned, I've seen people assume she was saying the name of the father. But how do we know she wasn't saying something else entirely. Why even whisper? Anyone in that room would know who the father is.

What if HBO assumed the audience would have understood Rhaegar is the father based on the fact he kidnapped Lyanna and he was the only man that would have given her a child?

And if we are to know that based on that fact, it means the info graphic isn't a reveal, but an explanation of the events and the whispered secret is something much bigger.

I'm trying to rack my brain for what could be an even bigger reveal than "His name is Jon...[whispers]his father is Rhaegar and we actually got married[/whisper]...Robert can't know, you know he'll kill him (Jon)...Promise me Ned, promise me." And that's me purely speculating about marriage because marriage is the only thing I can think of that would be huge since it means Jon isn't a bastard and is in the direct line of succession.

Good point, nonetheless.

In other news, they have already have directors for season 7. Too bad Miguel Sapochnik isn't on there -- he's directing a Netflix series -- since all his episodes have been AMAZING.

Edit: Just going back to Littlefinger again, this reddit post explains it quite wonderfully.

[N51_rob]

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I feel like Jaime has always been a "good guy" outside of Cersei/Tywin's influence.

I would say that while killing The Mad King was a "good" thing. It wasn't "right" and I believe the scorn it caused him throughout the seven kingdoms changed him a bit. His thought was if everyone thinks I'm this horrible person because I broke this vow to protect the rather than let Kings Landing fall so be it. The years of that probably wore on him, but his pushing of Bran, attacking of Eddard in Kings Landing, Killing of his own Cousin were not "good guy" moves. Clearly having his sword hand taken from him had a chilling effect on "who he is" and that coupled with his time with Brienne has had him viewing the world differently. The only question for him in the wars to come....is it too late.

Speaking TV only. I think his transformation in the books is a bit better done so far.

[GamingJones]

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A thought.

When she whispers to Ned, I've seen people assume she was saying the name of the father. But how do we know she wasn't saying something else entirely. Why even whisper? Anyone in that room would know who the father is.

What if HBO assumed the audience would have understood Rhaegar is the father based on the fact he kidnapped Lyanna and he was the only man that would have given her a child?

And if we are to know that based on that fact, it means the info graphic isn't a reveal, but an explanation of the events and the whispered secret is something much bigger.

I am not sure if this was posted here or not yet...

https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthron..._meaning_of_j/

[GamingJones]

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I feel like Jaime has always been a "good guy" outside of Cersei/Tywin's influence.

The compelling thing about GoT is that few, if any, characters are morally black or white. Almost everyone is some sort of gray.

[Burns11]

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I would say that while killing The Mad King was a "good" thing. It wasn't "right" and I believe the scorn it caused him throughout the seven kingdoms changed him a bit. His thought was if everyone thinks I'm this horrible person because I broke this vow to protect the rather than let Kings Landing fall so be it. The years of that probably wore on him, but his pushing of Bran, attacking of Eddard in Kings Landing, Killing of his own Cousin were not "good guy" moves. Clearly having his sword hand taken from him had a chilling effect on "who he is" and that coupled with his time with Brienne has had him viewing the world differently. The only question for him in the wars to come....is it too late.

Speaking TV only. I think his transformation in the books is a bit better done so far.

Pushing Bran - Cersei/Tywin influence

Attacking Eddard - Tywin

Jaime did plenty of good before any revelations or personal growth, it's just with Tywin dead and Jaime's distance from Cersei makes him seem better. I'm not saying Jaime is a saint, just that deep down he is a good guy, he's just also a Lannister.

[The JareBear]

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The compelling thing about GoT is that few, if any, characters are morally black or white. Almost everyone is some sort of gray.

Well said, I couldn't agree more

I think this show does this better than anyone else