Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

[Blzer]

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^ I'm telling you, Adam Driver does deadpan tremendously well. Definitely check out Logan Lucky if you haven't yet.

[TripleCrown9]

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The script for Episode IX is complete, filming begins in July.

[Caulfield]

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Just picked up my bluray copy.Here's a code for digital download if anyone wants it.


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[eremiomania]

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I hate it a lot less after my second viewing. This still bugs me..

Spoiler

Luke dying. If you're going to kill him, have him actually go to the final battle and eat it after an epic light saber fight. I could have lived with the "gotcha!" projection twist had he not disappeared at the end. I just still would have loved to see episode 9 culminate with Rey vs Kylo and Luke vs Snoke. So sue me.

[KSUowls]

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I hate it a lot less after my second viewing. This still bugs me..

Spoiler

Luke dying. If you're going to kill him, have him actually go to the final battle and eat it after an epic light saber fight. I could have lived with the "gotcha!" projection twist had he not disappeared at the end. I just still would have loved to see episode 9 culminate with Rey vs Kylo and Luke vs Snoke. So sue me.

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Is it cliche? You bet it is.
Would I have cared? Not one bit.

[inkcil]

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I just finished watching The Last Jedi this weekend and it dawned on me (especially in light of the Force Awakens) that the makers of this "Trilogy" don't want us to take this "Star Wars stuff" so seriously.

Instead, they are asking us, "Would you just please allow us to try to entertain you? Even if it is funny, goofy, non-congruent at times or even downright silly."

I mean, I remember with the Original Trilogy as a kid, I was terrified of Darth Vader. Klyo Ren (or even Snoke) on the other hand, they're just kinda funny, like Cobra Commander and Destro. They're just goofy. Just "devices" to keep the movie going forward to the end credits.

Anyway, that's my two cents. If you just wanted to be entertained, I think they accomplished that. But if you went into this movie looking for the "stuff" that made Star Wars a Billion Dollar industry in the 80's, then stick with Rogue One and how that "movie series" is being handled.

This trilogy of episodes (7-9) is like Goonies mixed with Lethal Weapon 4 (think Joe Pesci) mixed with Weird Science mixed with an episode of Punky Brewster/Pippi Longstocking mixed with the Little Rascals mixed with Die Hard mixed with The Neverending Story mixed with Star Wars characters.

[Beantown]

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I mean, I remember with the Original Trilogy as a kid, I was terrified of Darth Vader. Klyo Ren (or even Snoke) on the other hand, they're just kinda funny, like Cobra Commander and Destro. They're just goofy. Just "devices" to keep the movie going forward to the end credits

Counter argument: Kylo Ren has had more character development in 2 movies than Vader ever even sniffed at.

I know that's probably an unpopular take because Vader is, well, nostalgic Vader, but Ren is twice the written character than Vader ever was (now, whether that has actually translated to on-screen/audiences acceptance of him as the villain is a different story).

[inkcil]

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Counter argument: Kylo Ren has had more character development in 2 movies than Vader ever even sniffed at.

I know that's probably an unpopular take because Vader is, well, nostalgic Vader, but Ren is twice the written character than Vader ever was (now, whether that has actually translated to on-screen/audiences acceptance of him as the villain is a different story).

Hmmm, interesting point re: number of lines, amount of screen time, etc.

But if the writers wanted Ren to exemplify ultimate dark side evil and galaxy-terrorizing fear, then they failed with their development of Ren. Maybe less screen time and more mystery would have done him a favor.

Sometimes the faces Kylo Ren makes and his pouting and the temper tantrums he throws...man I feel like if Vader had a direct-line grandson that went darkside it should have been waaaaay scarier than this dude.

Ironically, even Snoke tells him to "take off that ridiculous (or did he say silly) mask." I mean, it seems to me that the writers didn't even want to create a character worthy of following in Vader's footsteps...maybe they're making the point that a Vader is like a "once in a millennium" type of baddie? I dunno...even Rey telling Ren to put on a shirt, etc. Man, c'mon man...NOBODY talks to Vader that way, lol. But that's the way Lucas chose to write Vader.

People generally bash the Prequels (and often deservedly so), especially Episode One. But at least Episode One gave us Darth Maul.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I think you're forgetting the exceptional handling of Anakin Skywalker in the prequels and his emotive expressions.

It's a family trait.

Darth Maul was nothing. Just a cool looking villain with no development whatsoever. He's another Boba Fett. Just like Phasma continues that trend.

[ehh]

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Is Kylo Ren that different from Anakin? He's maybe more emotional and immature but I don't think there's a huge difference; not yet anyway. It's the battle of dark vs light, good vs evil. The details vary but the major points are similar.

OT Vader was a personification of evil. When you look at his entire arc from the prequels through the OT he's the most interesting character in the SW universe by a mile IMO.

[Caulfield]

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OT Vader was a personification of evil. When you look at his entire arc from the prequels through the OT he's the most interesting character in the SW universe by a mile IMO.

mmm... I dunno, Lobot just oozed personality. When Disney does his Star Wars Story, the world will know what Lando knew.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Counter argument: Kylo Ren has had more character development in 2 movies than Vader ever even sniffed at.

I know that's probably an unpopular take because Vader is, well, nostalgic Vader, but Ren is twice the written character than Vader ever was (now, whether that has actually translated to on-screen/audiences acceptance of him as the villain is a different story).

Strong disagree. Vader was all about the mystique of not knowing what the hell was going on with him and what lengths this total badass would go to. Darth Vader was a lot more complex of a character than you're giving him credit for.

Being more explicit about a character doesn't necessarily make him better or have more depth, which is what I think you're trying to imply about Kylo Ren. Plus, Kylo Ren is pitched as basically Vader 2.0 so it's just not original to have the masked, caped guy...again.

Also, my feeling is that Adam Driver was miscast as Kylo Ren. Frankly he just kinda looks and sounds too wimpy for the role. A good actor, sure, but you just can't take him seriously as a legitimate villain in this manner (I think he could play more cerebral villains well, but not force-y blockbuster ones). The only moment where I kind of saw something in him is when he ran Han Solo through. Otherwise he's mostly been a tempermental, bratty, Snoke boot-licking plot device (until he kills Snoke anyway).

[Fresh Tendrils]

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The mystique of Darth Vader is built up by his commanding use of the force, his ruthlessness, and the small tidbits of exposition from Obi-Wan. He's built up as a terrifying, evil force. Much of his "complexity" is in service for Luke's development for the better part of the OT. Vader's quickturn redemption in Return of the Jedi has always felt too sudden for me because it never allowed itself enough time to build and develop the character as an emotional complex entity.

Kylo is emotionally complex to a fault at times. He may not have Vader's mystique or evil potency, but he is more complex than Vader was in the OT. Even if you include Anakin's story in the prequels I feel like Kylo is at least on equal footing as far as complexity. The character may be closely aligned to Anakin/Vader's overall development, but I feel like they're executing his development far better in these last two movies than previously before.

[Beantown]

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The mystique of Darth Vader is built up by his commanding use of the force, his ruthlessness, and the small tidbits of exposition from Obi-Wan. He's built up as a terrifying, evil force. Much of his "complexity" is in service for Luke's development for the better part of the OT. Vader's quickturn redemption in Return of the Jedi has always felt too sudden for me because it never allowed itself enough time to build and develop the character as an emotional complex entity.

This is a much more articulate way of what I was getting at. Until the turn at the end of Empire, he’s really not that complex or anything. The Emperor has far more mystique to me through the OT.

[DJ]

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Kylo is a guy that is torn between trying to emulate someone he grew to admire (Vader) and being true to himself (look at the interactions/scenes with Rey). He's always going to pale in comparison to Vader, because deep down, Kylo knows that's not him.