The Night Of (HBO)

[Money99]

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The more I think on it, Nas's lawyer will probably try to look for an ex or abusive boyfriend. The girl was clearly messed up in some way.

Buy or sell the hard starer was a former lover?

I'm guessing they knew her.
The guy who went to the station to provide information seemed to know who she was, or was vaguely familiar with her.
He held back info on his friend, who's to say he didn't also hold back how much he knew of the girl.
It might also explain why he made a comment to Naz when walking by.

I'm also suspicious of that apartment being hers alone.

I also think that a different knife was used. I don't think the killer would have picked up the knife they used to play mumblety-peg, gone upstairs and used it then brought it back down stairs and put it on the table.

Agreed.

If Naz isn't the killer, I'm guessing he went downstairs for a drink and simply passed-out while the killing occurrerd.
My PVR gave out at the part where Naz locked himself out of the apartment. When the PVR kicked back in, he was inside.
How did he get in? Did he B&E? Or did he get in using a method that anyone could have used? Say an ex-boyfriend?

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I'm guessing they knew her.
The guy who went to the station to provide information seemed to know who she was, or was vaguely familiar with her.
He held back info on his friend, who's to say he didn't also hold back how much he knew of the girl.
It might also explain why he made a comment to Naz when walking by.

I'm also suspicious of that apartment being hers alone.



Agreed.

If Naz isn't the killer, I'm guessing he went downstairs for a drink and simply passed-out while the killing occurrerd.
My PVR gave out at the part where Naz locked himself out of the apartment. When the PVR kicked back in, he was inside.
How did he get in? Did he B&E? Or did he get in using a method that anyone could have used? Say an ex-boyfriend?

He B&E'ed by smashing the glass on the door, which he cut his hand on (which would be used as forensics evidence that is common with someone who stabs someone)... and the neighbor who called the police, witnessed that which spurned him to call after he went running out and into the cab.

I am also thinking that guy's friend was not the killer, however, may be involved by knowing people (as the theory of not being fully her place) and went to 'rat on her'.

[Dogslax41]

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I'm guessing they knew her.

I'm also suspicious of that apartment being hers alone.


My PVR gave out at the part where Naz locked himself out of the apartment. When the PVR kicked back in, he was inside.
How did he get in? Did he B&E? Or did he get in using a method that anyone could have used? Say an ex-boyfriend?

Same thought on the apartment. Unless her parents are insanely rich, which will add complexity to the story as it moves forward. I started to get the impression that they might be going for a social commentary on the investigation process and racism when they started throwing out tons of circumstantial evidence on top of the mistakes that he was making to point the investigation at him combined with the overt racism throughout the episode.

Yes he smashed the window and the neighbor heard the smash, saw him go in and come out sprinting down the street to his taxi.


Edit: Any thoughts on why the neighbor acts so strange? Think he's just a hermit that's written to act that way to generate theories or think something more is there?

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Edit: Any thoughts on why the neighbor acts so strange? Think he's just a hermit that's written to act that way to generate theories or think something more is there?

Yeah, I noticed that as well. He was older, conveniently watching out his window at 3:00am roughly? I think they are making you (the viewer) have all the options open.

[Money99]

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Edit: Any thoughts on why the neighbor acts so strange? Think he's just a hermit that's written to act that way to generate theories or think something more is there?

Good point! What's he doing watching the street at that time of night?
Does he do it often? What else has he seen in that apartment?

Only 1 episode and I'm completely hooked.

[Dogslax41]

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I'm beyond hooked. Early in the show when it was a bit slow I was wondering if I was going to get into it. By the end I'm cringing and yelling at the tv at some of the stupid things he did.

[CMH]

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I can't stop liking posts in this thread. Love the convo. Seems like we all can't wait for Ep2.

I also couldn't stop shaking my head at the several mistakes Nas made. The first was stealing his dad's cab. I think?

When he had the knife in his pocket in the precinct, I found myself struggling with helping a potential killer. Maybe he didn't do it! Hurry up and get rid of the damn knife! But maybe he did do it. You deserve what's coming to you!

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Since I watched this a few weeks ago at the early release, I have been itching for the next episode.

I binge watched Bloodline for the first time recently, and oh man that Season 2 Finale... makes me itch for this show even more (and Season 3 of Bloodline).

The 17th yet?

[Money99]

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I can't stop liking posts in this thread. Love the convo. Seems like we all can't wait for Ep2.

I also couldn't stop shaking my head at the several mistakes Nas made. The first was stealing his dad's cab. I think?

When he had the knife in his pocket in the precinct, I found myself struggling with helping a potential killer. Maybe he didn't do it! Hurry up and get rid of the damn knife! But maybe he did do it. You deserve what's coming to you!

Agreed!
There were dozens of "Don't do that!" and "What if" moments.
It's obviously a theme the writers are hammering on.

I too was willing a potential killer to freedom, by simply begging him to continue walking out of the precinct. He could have ditched the blade, drugs, all of it. Who know's if he would have gotten away?

I'm very invested in this story and after only one episode, I'm already hoping Naz is redeemed and goes free.
But this is HBO.
I wish I could tell you that Naz fought the good fight, and the cops let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but HBO is no fairy-tale world.

[Dogslax41]

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This, Ballers and Vice Principles will fill my Sunday night game of thrones/silicon valley void nicely.

[JayBee74]

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It never occurred to me that Naz actually did it. If so it wouldn't have the impact of something like

Spoiler

Ed Norton in Primal Fear

, simply because of the drug/black out factor.

[Dogslax41]

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It never occurred to me that Naz actually did it. If so it wouldn't have the impact of something like

Spoiler

Ed Norton in Primal Fear

, simply because of the drug/black out factor.

I never thought so either. Until after I stepped back from the episode and thought about it. I still think its an extremely unlikely scenario, but after seeing his susceptibility to influence and just launching head first into stuff that he apparently has convictions against I'm not sure. Who the hell does ecstasy, coke and tequila with ZERO peer pressure (outside of the promise of getting her in the bed) when they apparently never drink.

Then when she tells him to jab a knife between his fingers he says no one time and then just does it. Sorry but I don't care how desperate I would have been. If a chick told me to jab that between my fingers I would have to politely decline repeatedly. And as a far as X and coke i can see someone experimenting but doing it the first time with some rando that you met on the streets of New York when you are supposed to be an intelligent person. Either they are doing that to play up his naivety or its something else.

Not saying it was the case and it's more of just another possibility, but I can see him start having flashbacks of in the heat of the moment her saying to cut her or something and then things getting out of control because of everything in his system (for the first time no less).

[EnigmaNemesis]

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My question is, how the hell does one fall asleep (black out) on MDMA/Coke regardless of tequila? It was more like GHB/Special K or something, lol.

And the sociopathic like response they both had to stabbing her through the hand... maybe we find out he is someone who has psychotic fantasy episodes.

[Dogslax41]

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And the sociopathic like response they both had to stabbing her through the hand... maybe we find out he is someone who has psychotic fantasy episodes.

No kidding. When he did it and the camera was cut away I was like, BS that's just dumb writing, no way he gets that lucky twice in a row. Then they showed her hand and I physically reacted by almost fetal positioning while grabbing my own hand and turning away from the screen and saying oh s***. Not her though. And apparently it didn't bother this inexperienced naive Pakistani boy.

Again maybe I had solid gold standards but going home with a random chick in the City (that just randomly got in a cab), talking about she can't be alone that night, her pulling out pills, then her tube of coke and then a knife and a stabbing and sorry but I'm out. A) for just making it out of that house alive but B) for not making it out with something that stays with me a bit longer than the hangover.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Completely agreed. "Thanks for the free party favors, I'm out!"

Watch you find out he has some stalking sociopathic psychotic side. Had no issues with her in the car, but did so with the other people. Profiles his prey? Does not realize it?

There is also that hearse driver that seemed odd as well. Driving a hearse late at night, still suited up. I am sure he comes into play more. So many variables they leave us at.