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  • Leon
    An Old Trafford
    • Mar 2003
    • 4981

    #46
    Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

    Man, I don't know about crappy fighting being attributed to a character/storyline decision. Yes, I want him to look like the guy in the spoiler tag in the future, but it's not like the way he fought in the show as a "better than your average martial artist" couldn't have looked less choreographed and more natural. It's a big stretch to say "Oh yeah, he fights like that because he's got a lot of baggage in his head. It was intentional to make him look like he just started to learn martial arts." He can have all that psychological baggage and still look convincing as a martial artist.

    Again, just look at all of Colleen's fights compared to Danny's. She ain't the Iron Fist but she sure as hell looks more like the Iron Fist when she fights.
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    • The JareBear
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      • Jul 2010
      • 11560

      #47
      Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

      I liked this season quite a bit. I appreciated the tone of the show. It was entertaining. A lot of shows try to pack a philosophical punch and that is cool, but sometimes I just want to watch a fun comic book story too. I feel like the show is honest to the source material (to my knowledge anyway) and entertaining. I can't ask for much more.
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      • RockinDaMike
        All Star
        • Feb 2003
        • 9092

        #48
        Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

        Just finished it and it wasn't as bad as when i started it but still wasn't great either.

        Loved Colleen and thought madam Gow, and the Meachems were awesome. I simply didn't like Danny Rand at all.

        Probably the most annoying character in the Marvel universe.
        He whined a lot and reacted on emotion and rarely thought about his next moves. Which i thought would be different after practicing with monks and meditating everyday for 15 years.

        I wished they flashed back to Kung Lu (sp) to help build his character other than a corny scene where he was getting beat with sticks. At least dedicate one episode to it but we barely saw about this place he talked about though out the season. I thought Daredevil did a great job with this with his dad and episodes with Stick.

        Davos could have been a great character this season if they showed how they grew up together instead of showing up out of nowhere.

        I don't buy that Rand was going through stuff that his fighting wasn't good. It simply did not look good at all and thats the fault of the directors and producers. They simply picked the wrong actor for the role. The actors who played Colleen, Davos looked good because they knew how to commit to the moves, probably because they trained in some sort of martial arts before. Finn Jones looked like he was learning as you go.

        Also The Hand were way more bad *** in Daredevil than in Iron Fist. They sent a bunch of newbs to fight the sworn enemy of The Hand.

        Anyway, i can keep going but i want this show to work because i am a fan of kung fu and martial arts and would love to see more if they could get the right director for it and have Finn Jones train more.


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        • Leon
          An Old Trafford
          • Mar 2003
          • 4981

          #49
          Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

          Originally posted by RockinDaMike
          Probably the most annoying character in the Marvel universe.
          He whined a lot and reacted on emotion and rarely thought about his next moves. Which i thought would be different after practicing with monks and meditating everyday for 15 years.
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          This scene from episode 8 was so meta and on-point about his planning skills.

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          • TripleCrown9
            Keep the Faith
            • May 2010
            • 23694

            #50
            Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

            Just finished this, and I enjoyed it.

            Since we have to rank everything:

            1. Daredevil
            2. Iron Fist
            3a/3b. Luke Cage & Jessica Jones
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            • marshallfever
              MVP
              • Aug 2003
              • 2738

              #51
              Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

              Then we have the actual story and the story telling. The story is the standard comic book Batman lite story. Which is fine but it's so poorly told. They spent 4 episodes of Danny trying to prove he's Danny. They could of done that in 2 episodes, but they stretched it for no reason. Don't let me get started on his meaningless flashbacks that occurred during the first half of the series.

              If anyone here watched CW's Arrow, I thought they were gonna go in that direction. I for one didn't care for them to tell us what happened in Kung loa since we know what's come out of it, but the way they painted his flashbacks I thought they were gonna go in that direction. Yet they never did, they introduced the flashbacks and then did away with them without any resolve. Again I've only watched 10 episodes so maybe ep 11 and 12 might remedy that but I can't see it fixing the issue that they painted for 4-5 episodes.

              In comparison to Luke Cage which was their last show, I personally didn't like the whole "black on black crime" inner city renaissance thing they had going but I have to admit it's was at least well told. Each episode had a driving factor which connected to the overall story, *not to mention we also got to see Luke in action on many occasions which was cool. Danny on the other hand.....with a show called the Iron fists, we've seen him use his iron fists maybe 5-6xs the entire series (at least from episodes 1-10) which is baffling!!!!!

              To conclude this is definitely their worst netflix marvel show yet, I just hope The Defenders aren't at some fast tracked as this was. If I had to rate this show with watching just 10 episodes, *I have to give it a 6/10

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              • marshallfever
                MVP
                • Aug 2003
                • 2738

                #52
                Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

                Originally posted by RockinDaMike

                Also The Hand were way more bad *** in Daredevil than in Iron Fist. They sent a bunch of newbs to fight the sworn enemy of The Hand.
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                This, they reminded me of the foot clan from tmnt....and that's not a compliment

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                • RockinDaMike
                  All Star
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 9092

                  #53
                  Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

                  Originally posted by marshallfever
                  This, they reminded me of the foot clan from tmnt....and that's not a compliment
                  After reading that Finn Jones only had 3 weeks of training and had to learn the choreography 15 minutes before shooting, its not his fault at all.

                  Whoever planned it that way should be fired. I'm sure he'll get more training now so that his moves will be more fluid and with power which you can see lacking in his fight scenes.

                  If Uma Thurman and Keanu can look like kung fu bad asses, he's capable. The guy who trained Uma and Keanu also does Into the Badlands and you can see that guys work is remarkable. Hopefully Marvel can get that guy for the next season if they have one.
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                  • NINJAK2
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 6185

                    #54
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                    Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                    After reading that Finn Jones only had 3 weeks of training and had to learn the choreography 15 minutes before shooting, its not his fault at all.

                    Whoever planned it that way should be fired. I'm sure he'll get more training now so that his moves will be more fluid and with power which you can see lacking in his fight scenes.

                    If Uma Thurman and Keanu can look like kung fu bad asses, he's capable. The guy who trained Uma and Keanu also does Into the Badlands and you can see that guys work is remarkable. Hopefully Marvel can get that guy for the next season if they have one.


                    Man! I had no idea he trained for that little of time and then had to film the fight scenes with so little prep time prior to filming(explains a lot!). If my memory serves me correctly, Keanu, Fishburne, Moss, etc. were trained for 3-6 months in Martial Arts prior to filming The Matrix.
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                    • Leon
                      An Old Trafford
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 4981

                      #55
                      Re: Marvel's Iron Fist | Netflix Original

                      Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                      After reading that Finn Jones only had 3 weeks of training and had to learn the choreography 15 minutes before shooting, its not his fault at all.
                      That's ridiculous if true. He's supposed to be the BEST martial artist in the Marvel Universe and the showrunners don't even prep him properly? What a disappointment.
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                      • daflyboys
                        Banned
                        • May 2003
                        • 18238

                        #56
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                        I've tried many times to power through the rest of the episodes. I think I'm at 8 or 9. I couldn't even tell you. Can anyone just please let me know what pertinent plot points I need to jump into The Defenders? I don't think I can actually tolerate another episode of this bad acting. Might go back and finish out Luke Cage in light of the comments around here.

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                        • RockinDaMike
                          All Star
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 9092

                          #57
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                          Originally posted by daflyboys
                          I've tried many times to power through the rest of the episodes. I think I'm at 8 or 9. I couldn't even tell you. Can anyone just please let me know what pertinent plot points I need to jump into The Defenders? I don't think I can actually tolerate another episode of this bad acting. Might go back and finish out Luke Cage in light of the comments around here.
                          You can pretty much skip it,you already know about The Hand and the main characters. I feel you, i think this show sucks but Iron Fist is a little more tolerable in The Defenders since everyone makes fun of him and the fight choreography is much better. You don't really see Finn thinking about moves or moving slow in it.

                          I can predict too that you won't like The Defenders that much, it wasn't close to how good Daredevil 1 and 2 were.

                          To think about it, I only liked Daredevil 1/2 and Jessica Jones 1. Everything else was meh.
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                          • mestevo
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                            • Apr 2010
                            • 19556

                            #58
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                            Defenders was great imo, but agree you can skip Iron Fist for the most part unless the stuff in Defenders makes you want to know a little more about where he's coming from.

                            Best Irom Fist stuff in Defenders is their dismissive reactions to his abilities/origin, lol.

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                            • daflyboys
                              Banned
                              • May 2003
                              • 18238

                              #59
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                              Ok, thanks guys. And I already know where he's coming from. He's coming from bad scripts and poor preparation!

                              (and something about his parents dying in a plane crash...but I'm hazy about that)

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                              • RockinDaMike
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 9092

                                #60
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                                There's a cool scene in the last episode where you can see the real power of the Iron Fist. Not sure if its worth it for you but I thought it was awesome.
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